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[FlyingSaucer]

Does anyone know of any other GPs that could be included on this list? 

 

Mainly from countries that no longer exist (certainly there must be some in former Soviet republics, but I don't know for sure):

 

Czechoslovakian Grand Prix (since Czechoslovakia gave way to the Czech Republic and Slovakia)

Rhodesian Grand Prix

Yugoslav/Belgrade Grand Prix (only held once, in 1939)

[Ralf Pickel]

German GP....

[Charlieman]

...nor French GP. Or Swedish or Argentine or so many memorable race hosts.

[Emery0323]

In addition to those mentioned, Morocco, South Africa, and Switzerland all had WDC races at one time.

[AJCee]

Gibraltar?

[68targa]

Luxembourg *

San Remo

 

 

and a Swiss GP held in another country

 

* edit - also pf course not held in Luxembourg

Edited by 68targa, 22 September 2024 - 16:45.

[bsc]

Also can through into the mix the Portuguese, Turkish and San Marino races.

In line with the original post's examples, there was an Irish Grand Prix held between 1929 and 1931. Carraciola was one of the winners.

[BRG]

Swedish Winter GP 1947

New Zealand GP

Danish GP

Turkish GP

Israel GP 1970

Indian GP

Indonesian GP

Korean GP

[Glengavel]

Scottish Grand Prix

[Ray Bell]

Polish Grand Prix...

 

A shining example.

 

Cuban Grand Prix?

[opplock]

Swedish Winter GP 1947

New Zealand GP

Danish GP

Turkish GP

Israel GP 1970

Indian GP

Indonesian GP

Korean GP

 

 

That will be a shock to Liam Sceats, winner of the 68th NZGP on 18th February 2024. 

[lustigson]

Brazil and Mexico come to mind. 

[chr1s]

Tripoli?

[BRG]

That will be a shock to Liam Sceats, winner of the 68th NZGP on 18th February 2024. 

Yes, but there hasn't been another one since then, has there?    

[lyntonh]

Yes, but there hasn't been another one since then, has there?    

I think your comment neatly illustrates the flaw in this topic......

it's simply another pointless list, that will keep changing......for ever, and ever, and ever, and......

[Emery0323]

Yugoslav/Belgrade Grand Prix (only held once, in 1939)

 

The 1939 Belgrade Grand Prix has the tragic distinction of being held 2 days after the outbreak of WW2 in Europe, and was on the day Britain and France declared war on Germany.

Edited by Emery0323, 23 September 2024 - 08:37.

[ReWind]

And it was no national GP.

[opplock]

Yes, but there hasn't been another one since then, has there?    

 

 

That's like saying there hasn't been a UK government sleaze disclosure since yesterday morning. 

 

69th NZGP scheduled for 9th February. 

[GregThomas]

 

 

69th NZGP scheduled for 9th February. 

 

But at Cromwell of all the possible circuits which could have been used..

[Doug Nye]

Look on the bright side, one can 'do a lap' of Cromwell circuit on Google Earth Street View...

 

DCN

[sabrejet]

I can't believe the Angola Grand Prix hasn't been mentioned.

[BRG]

We can add the 1950 Chilean Grand Prix, starring Fangio, to the list

 

Staying that part of the world, there is/was/might be the Panama Grand Prix which will no longer be run if it ever happens in the first place.

 

And of course the Russian Grand Prix is now history although unfortunately it's leading proponents Putin and Ecclestone aren't

[GregThomas]

Look on the bright side, one can 'do a lap' of Cromwell circuit on Google Earth Street View...

 

DCN

 

Unfortunately, that is as close as roughly 90% of possible spectators will get to the track.

[sabrejet]

Venezuelan Grand Prix?

 

There must be dozens.

[opplock]

Unfortunately, that is as close as roughly 90% of possible spectators will get to the track.

 

It is a long way from any major population centre but I'm told that Manfeild struggles to get 2,000 spectators for its rounds of TRS aka Formula Regional Oceanic series. Even in years when it hosted the GP.

 

The 2016 NZGP was won by someone called Lando Norris. Whatever happened to him?

[Nigel Beresford]

Surely many of us are old enough to recall the Bermuda Grand Prix, or was it something I imagined…?

Edited by Nigel Beresford, 25 September 2024 - 12:07.

[Bloggsworth]

Gibraltar?

Didn't Girling Foss win that one?

[68targa]

The Rhodesian GP - some top talent were winners here.

[sabrejet]

I'd assumed the New Zealand Grand Prix had faded away after the F.5000 days but was surprised to see it's still with us: won this year by Liam Sceats in a Tatuus-Toyota.

[AllanL]

Didn't Girling Foss win that one?

I thought it was the Duke of Edinburgh in a Morris Minor, but I could be mistaken. I frequently am.

[D-Type]

Do we include the likes of the Luxemburg Grand Prix in the fifties which was for 500cc Formula 3 cars?

[BRG]

Do we include the likes of the Luxemburg Grand Prix in the fifties which was for 500cc Formula 3 cars?

We already had the Luxembourg GP held elsewhere, but were these tiddlers actually racing within the 999 square miles of the Grand Duchy?

[D-Type]

I believe they were.

[Sterzo]

The circuit was in Luxembourg at Findel, just outside the city and near the airport. Here's a link to some information, including a circuit map and report for 1951:

 

http://500race.org/w...120Report-1.jpg

Edited by Sterzo, 26 September 2024 - 17:00.

[DCapps]

This was the first time an Englishman had won a Grand Prix since the Spanish victory of Seagrave, driving a Sunbeam, in 1924.

 

Gawd, an example as to just how pathetic the Pommies Brits were at the time in trying to put the best spin on anything that took place on the Continent...

[D-Type]

 

This was the first time an Englishman had won a Grand Prix since the Spanish victory of Seagrave, driving a Sunbeam, in 1924.

 

Gawd, an example as to just how pathetic the Pommies Brits were at the time in trying to put the best spin on anything that took place on the Continent...

 

The writer clearly hadn't heard of Peter Whitehead's win in the 1949 Czechoslovakian GP.

[opplock]

 

This was the first time an Englishman had won a Grand Prix since the Spanish victory of Seagrave, driving a Sunbeam, in 1924.

 

 

 

Richard Beattie Seaman was born in West Sussex. Part of England in 1913 and remains so to this day. Should this read "won a Grand Prix in a British car"?

[FlyingSaucer]

Thanks for all the answers. 

 

But my initial list and objetive on this topic was about national GPs in countries that no longer exist   

 

I should have expressed myself better kkkkkkkkkk

 

The circuit was in Luxembourg at Findel, just outside the city and near the airport. Here's a link to some information, including a circuit map and report for 1951:

 

http://500race.org/w...120Report-1.jpg

 

Or better: I can recommed a story I wrote about the early Luxembourg GPs here > https://sportscardig...urg-grand-prix/

[opplock]

Thanks for all the answers. 

 

But my initial list and objetive on this topic was about national GPs in countries that no longer exist 

 

I should have expressed myself better kkkkkkkkkk

 

 

 

That opens another can of worms. One of your examples was Rhodesia. The country still exists with the same borders but under a different name (Zimbabwe).      

[Henk Vasmel]

That opens another can of worms. One of your examples was Rhodesia. The country still exists with the same borders but under a different name (Zimbabwe).      

Not quite true. Rhodesia included the current Zimbabwe and Zambia. It fell apart into two countries. Most of the serious racing (for our purpose) was done in what is now Zimbabwe, but Zambia also had some circuits.
So, Zimbabwe does not have the same borders as Rhodesia.

[BRG]

Thanks for all the answers. 

 

But my initial list and objetive on this topic was about national GPs in countries that no longer exist 

 

It would be a very short thread,  Apart from the Velvet Divorce of Czechoslovakia and the breakup of Yugoslavia, what other countries no longer exist?   The Soviet Union, I suppose you could include and....that's about it.

[Sterzo]

 

This was the first time an Englishman had won a Grand Prix since the Spanish victory of Seagrave, driving a Sunbeam, in 1924.

 

Gawd, an example as to just how pathetic the Pommies Brits were at the time in trying to put the best spin on anything that took place on the Continent...

 

The motoring press of the day was certainly a little dismissive of "the Continentals". However, let's give Segrave his correct spelling, and acknowledge "Williams" who was British, albeit French-based, and who won the French, Monaco, Belgian and (for what it's worth) La Baule Grands Prix. We could debate the status of the 1938 Grosvenor Grand Prix in South Africa, but it had the title and was won by Earl Howe. And as opplock has pointed out, we should also include Dick Seaman.

[nexfast]

Or better: I can recommend a story I wrote about the early Luxembourg GPs here > https://sportscardig...urg-grand-prix/

 

 

Very interesting and detailed record of the two Luxembourg Grand Prix, I did appreciate. And I learned something, since I had never heard of Paul Ries and the Zig. You might like to correct two names, though: it is Berardo (not Bernardo) Taraschi and Helm (not Helmut) Glöckler.

Edited by nexfast, 26 September 2024 - 22:22.

[Charlieman]

It would be a very short thread,  Apart from the Velvet Divorce of Czechoslovakia and the breakup of Yugoslavia, what other countries no longer exist?   The Soviet Union, I suppose you could include and....that's about it.

The question does not invite sensible answers... All of the pre-WWII Italian GP were held in the Kingdom of Italy which no longer exists; similarly we have a large number of races in the Third and Fourth Republics of France. Another anomaly is the Algerian GP series which was held before Algeria became a country. The 1959 German GP was organised by ADAC representing the Federal Republic but held in West Berlin which was not part of any country  .

[opplock]

The German GP was held under three, possibly four, different entities, all with different borders. The German Reich (1926-1939), Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany), West Berlin (British, French and US occupation zones) and Federal Republic of Germany (post reunification borders). 

 

The first Rhodesian GP was held in 1960 (if Wikipedia can be believed) so decades after the original colony was split. My friend was conscripted into the Rhodesian army under Ian Smith. I've never heard him refer to it as the Southern Rhodesian army. I'll ask next time I see him.  

[nexfast]

Actually in 1960 the official name of the "country" would be Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland which means it would include current Malawi

[FlyingSaucer]

 

Or better: I can recommend a story I wrote about the early Luxembourg GPs here > https://sportscardig...urg-grand-prix/

 

 

Very interesting and detailed record of the two Luxembourg Grand Prix, I did appreciate. And I learned something, since I had never heard of Paul Ries and the Zig. You might like to correct two names, though: it is Berardo (not Bernardo) Taraschi and Helm (not Helmut) Glöckler.

 

 

Thanks for the heads up. I'll pass that fix for the SCD editor. 

 

If u (or anyone) wants to know a little bit more about the history of the ZIG, I created this topic (https://forums.autos...bourgeoise-zig/) on the historical research thread

[GLaird]

Irish International Grand Prix 1929,1930,1931, Phoenix Park Dublin.

[sabrejet]

Irish International Grand Prix 1929,1930,1931, Phoenix Park Dublin.

 

It's still "Ireland" on most maps, so I'd argue that it's not in the remit of the OP's query. (I think "Éire" isn't recognized by the UN as such).

[bsc]

It's still "Ireland" on most maps, so I'd argue that it's not in the remit of the OP's query. (I think "Éire" isn't recognized by the UN as such).

It's debatable. The Irish Free State was a British Dominion between 1922 and 1931. Between that date and 1937, the Irish Free State was a sovereign state. After 1937, there was a new constitution that created the modern Republic of Ireland.