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[SophieB]

@ChrisMedlandF1

Zak Brown says he will ask questions about this as he feels teams should operate independently on a sporting level, and that this was as an A and a B team.

 

Adds it’s an example of why he was worried about the joint ownership situation #F1 #SingaporeGP

[PayasYouRace]

He can ask questions. He’s probably not going to like the answers. Sore winner.

[macjim]

It was pretty blatant, but to be expected when there is potentially so much depending on the points for both teams and drivers.

[garoidb]

Why is he worried? Does he think it might affect the WDC? 

[SenorSjon]

It was a nice sendoff for Daniel Ricciardo, his final act in F1. If Magnussen lap had stuck, how would he feel about that?

Better fix the rule that it always gives a point to the fastest lap among the top 10 finishers.

There are many more examples of engine clients being rushed aside for the main team though, did he say something about that as well?

Edited by SenorSjon, 22 September 2024 - 17:10.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

He’s wasting his breath, Brown’s Red Bull and affiliate obsession is getting rather old now.

[garoidb]

It was a nice sendoff for Daniel Ricciardo, his final act in F1. If Magnussen lap had stuck, how would he feel about that?

Better fix the rule that it always gives a point to the fastest lap among the top 10 finishers.

There are many more examples of engine clients being rushed aside for the main team though, did he say something about that as well?

 

That's still open to abuse, though, but just by a smaller group of drivers. The rule should be deleted entirely. If not, then there needs to be something to prevent the practice of pitting for new tyres just to try for it. Under those circumstances, it means nothing. If it has to be part of a twenty lap stint, then it might reflect some aspect of race pace.

[Stephane]

That's what happens when you give those kind of points.

[SophieB]

Autosport, Andrea Stella:

“I don't know the facts. I just saw that RB went for the fastest lap, and they achieved it. But for me, here, talk about sportsmanship and so on, I think... it would be out of place. So I think we have to take it at face value.

 

“They scored the fastest lap, and potentially as part of a longer-term conversation, we need to put the sport in a position in which, at any stage - being it trackside or being it factory-side - teams behave in a totally autonomous manner, because this is a constructors' championship.

“This needs to be definitely addressed. But at no point I have elements now to say RB went for the fastest lap to support the Red Bull. I just find it a little... how to say... peculiar. I did not see it coming.

“I was a little surprised that the highest priority of RB racing in Singapore was to go and score the fastest lap of the race. I think we just have to work harder to make sure that this [championship] doesn't come down to a point.

“At the same time, I have so much sympathy, support and friendship with Daniel that I'm just happy that he may add this fastest lap to his track record.”

 

 

 

 

https://www.autospor...t-lap/10657168/

[DW46]

Classy bloke is Andrea.

[P123]

I thought it was a fairwell present to Danny Ric.

[ANF]

Autosport, Andrea Stella:

I did not see it coming.

https://www.autospor...t-lap/10657168/

 

Some of us did in the race thread.
 

"Hey, Daniel, do you think you can do a 34.8?"

 

Wonder if VCARB will pit Ric to steal the point away from Norris

[Ste678]

Maybe it was just a last bit of "f u" from Danny for Zak?

[SophieB]

I thought it was a fairwell present to Danny Ric.

Speaking of presents, Ricciardo said in two interviews that he hopes the fastest lap point helps get Max the championship and that it nets him a nice Christmas present accordingly, so even if he’s half joking, the implication of the extra point plainly had occurred to Ricciardo.

[pup]

It was a nice sendoff for Daniel Ricciardo, his final act in F1.

Horner: Hey Danny, how about as a special send off, you play Max’s lap dog on your final lap?
DR: woof.

[Clatter]

That's still open to abuse, though, but just by a smaller group of drivers. The rule should be deleted entirely. If not, then there needs to be something to prevent the practice of pitting for new tyres just to try for it. Under those circumstances, it means nothing. If it has to be part of a twenty lap stint, then it might reflect some aspect of race pace.

 

Teams pitting to go for the fastest lap is exactly what they wanted. They should allow all drivers to be able to collect the point, and then watch the battle as all the back markers come in for new tyres and try for the only point they might get in a season.

[BoDarvelle]

Zak Brown's whining puts Horner and Torger to shame.

 

Can't stand the guy nor his team.

[TomNokoe]

I thought it was a fairwell present to Danny Ric.

I don't understand this line of thinking. Why is a free fastest lap a gift?

A statistical gift? OK

[noikeee]

He's right. This is the kind of stupid **** we get when teams don't operate independently and then F1 create stupid rules like a point for fastest lap.

[pdac]

It's a stupid point anyway. The foolish thinking of those in charge was that if they offered a point for the fastest lap then teams would stop easing off when their finish position was established and run harder to try for the extra point. Of course, nobody has adopted that strategy and it's now a case of just bolting on a set of fresh tyres if you have the opportunity.

 

The experiment has failed. Just get rid of this gimmicky extra point.

[pup]

Maybe it was just a last bit of "f u" from Danny for Zak?

Because unlike Horner, Zak pulled him from the car mid-season, right?

[mclarensmps]

Technically VCARB didn't do anything illegal, and it would be really hard to prove that it was inter-team orders; so I'm not too bothered by it. 

That being said, in reality, we all know it was intentional hahaha. 

[jonklug]

Maybe he should focus on uncovering Walter White, he's right under his nose.

[DJH63]

lol! Pathetic but exactly as you’d expect from Zak Brown.

 

The smallest man who ever lived.

[noikeee]

So everyone's criticising him for pointing out the very obvious thing we all saw in front of our eyes, which hurts his team?

I don't get it.

[Vic Vega]

Brown and Stella fighting over the Clown of the year award?

I know this is probably a hard concept to grasp for Zak, but how about making sure that one of your drivers is not taking away points from the only realistic title challenger in your team?

[BoDarvelle]

KMag did the same thing.

 

Was Ferrari trying to take a point off McLaren?

[Anja]

They should allow all drivers to be able to collect the point, and then watch the battle as all the back markers come in for new tyres and try for the only point they might get in a season.

 

Watching this happen every race would be a farce, sorry. 

[Clatter]

That solution would just make everyone running outside of points pit before the last lap, in every race. 

 

I know, and it would be a lot more exciting than watching the one person in the top ten who can make a free stop and take it.

[Clatter]

Watching this happen every race would be a farce, sorry. 

 

It's a farce anyway.

[Bendo]

I thought it was a fairwell present to Danny Ric.

Great present. Hey Dan, you have had another rubbish drive to the back, do you want fastest lap?

[JimmyClark]

A simple way to change it would be to learn only give the point to the fastest lap of the top 10 drivers, even if the overall fastest lap winner isn't in it. But that would be unnecessary I think.

I'm as much of the thought it was Danny wanting to go out with a bang as it was any nefarious strategy by Red Bull, but so what if it was the latter? It would be so hard to police given all the engine partnerships in the sport.

I just see it as part of F1.

[Nicktendo86]

KMag did the same thing.

Was Ferrari trying to take a point off McLaren?

Kmag came in as he had a puncture

[noikeee]

KMag did the same thing.

Was Ferrari trying to take a point off McLaren?

I didn't notice Magnussen pitting for fresh softs with 2 laps to go.

[Ben1980]

Every single person can see it was done to benefit the main Red Bull team. At best its a bit fishy, but it is what it is.

People will have to take of team coloured glasses to see it all.

[SenorSjon]

Because unlike Horner, Zak pulled him from the car mid-season, right?

 

Even worse, he pulled him from the car with still a year left.

[Ben1980]

KMag did the same thing.

Was Ferrari trying to take a point off McLaren?

Didn't though did he. He had a puncture so had to pit.

[Nathan]

/harmoniously Zaaaak...sometimes you need to shut the fuuuuk uuuup.

[Broekschaap]

Zak has a point, oh no he doesn't....

[ARTGP]

The world doesn't revolve around Mclaren but don't let Zak Brown hear that.  

Edited by ARTGP, 22 September 2024 - 18:01.

[JeanAlesi27]

I love Stella.  Zak?  Not so much... 

[Red5ive]

He’s wasting his breath, Brown’s Red Bull and affiliate obsession is getting rather old now.

But he is right. There is a constructors championship and it’s not fair if 1 team is having to fight 2 teams working as 1.

 

that quote by Mekies is pathetic - it’s a hollow fastest lap. No one buys the idea he was the fastest driver.

 

if RB wanted to take a point off McLaren then they should have sent Perez in.

Edited by Red5ive, 23 September 2024 - 12:32.

[Maustinsj]

The world doesn't revolve around Mclaren but don't let Zak Brown hear that. 

 

 

How come the team principal doesn't know whether it's his last race or not?

[SenorSjon]

How come the team principal doesn't know whether it's his last race or not?

 

.Because RB High Command decides that. Franz Tost had similar answers in the past iirc.

[P123]

Great present. Hey Dan, you have had another rubbish drive to the back, do you want fastest lap?

 

There should of course be no fastest lap point.  It one of the stupidest things among many stupid decisions.

 

Alonso and AM did similar in Austria, where he finished 18th, which actually nicked the point off Max.

[jee]

The world doesn't revolve around Mclaren but don't let Zak Brown hear that.  

Even the team principal doesn't know for fact if it was his last race, but then suggests it in an interview? 

[TomNokoe]

The world doesn't revolve around Mclaren but don't let Zak Brown hear that.  

Well he's not going to say, "we pit him to help Max" is he?

[MissingApex]

That single point doesn’t decide the WDC, those stupid ‘Papaya rules’ probably will be a WDC decider though.

[Misk]

Pretty ironic that his final act in the sport was doing the thing he ultimately destroyed his career to avoid: being Verstappen’s lapdog.

[Henri Greuter]

If Zak is worried about Lando having lost a point in a manner like this, then i wonder what he thinks about his own decisons in recent races that have cost Lando many more points than one that went to his team mate instead!