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[Clatter]

Pirelli is probably the lowest cost supplier willing to do the asked job.

I believe they have to pay for the privilege of being the tyre supplier.

[MikeTekRacing]

I believe they have to pay for the privilege of being the tyre supplier.

yeah, so still a cost driven business case.

Which company can operate the leanest and get a return on F1 exposure to be able to offer more to F1.

[Brawn BGP 001]

Yeah all them track side banners don't pay for themselves.

[loki]

Is the Vegas number a bit false as it does not have a local promoter?

 

No as the revenue was so high due to ticket prices. However the cost of the facility hasn’t been directly attributed as a fully paid.  They did get free use of the streets and no cost police and fire support.  The paddock is on the books of a Liberty subsidiary but the revenue flows to F1.  It sold out from direct sales but it’s thought about 25% went to brokers.  Who lost a ton.  Those numbers don’t count hospitality and the various race watch deals which were several million.  And huge money losers for most of those that bought them.  You can see the direct impact on the Liberty investor docs and report.  It accounted for the bulk of the 25% revenue growth for F1 last year.

 

Out of curiosity; what law does enforces this?

 

 

Presumably Nevada state law? Although as a pedantic point the law doesn't enforce itself, courts, police and officialdom do.

 

It’s a few county ordinances that govern closing the Strip, special events permits and temporary advertising in the resort corridor.  The latest lawsuit alleges the county violated the law in the way they issued permits or in many cases did not.  There are also two suits claiming the public taking of private property by the county and F1.  F1 was dropped from that as only the government is bound by the particular law cited.  

 

The waiver for the race didn't pass unanimously.  It passed by two votes and those votes aren’t there anymore.  A couple of members are likely to lose their seats as a result.  Moving the date would impact convention work before or the rodeo after.  While the take was staggering most businesses lost money during that time including most of the resorts owned by those that made bank.  It’s looking grim all around this year but at least the Raiders can save the day. 

 

There will be no date change.  At this point there may not even be a date after this year or next.

[kumo7]

Four weeks gap plus triple-header, is the program now, but it could also be the race with two weeks in between. the issue of the world series i think.

[JimmyClark]

At least next season it seems to be solved, with two weeks between Azerbaijan and Singapore then another two weeks to Austin.

[Grippy]

Liam Lawson will have a 10 place grid drop due to engine change, which should take some of the pressure off.

It apparently applies to the sprint rather than main race;

https://www.sportbib...706462-20240927

[Clatter]

Liam Lawson will have a 10 place grid drop due to engine change, which should take some of the pressure off.
It apparently applies to the sprint rather than main race;
https://www.sportbib...706462-20240927

It won't be applied in the sprint.

[Grippy]

It won't be applied in the sprint.

I always thought grid penalties were applied to the main race, not sprint, but I saw this quote;

 

“The first [race], I think, won’t be relevant because he has an engine penalty,” Marko told Motorsport-Total.com. “10 places in the sprint race, so that doesn’t exactly make life easier in Austin.”

[Clatter]

I always thought grid penalties were applied to the main race, not sprint, but I saw this quote;

“The first [race], I think, won’t be relevant because he has an engine penalty,” Marko told Motorsport-Total.com. “10 places in the sprint race, so that doesn’t exactly make life easier in Austin.”

If grid penalties were taken in the sprint, everyone would be slapping a new unit in.

[Bleu]

I think only penalties applied in sprint are for sprint qualifying infringements.

[BarryinIN]

Just think, we could be around 12 hours away from the start of a GP at Indianapolis (on the schedule in lieu of Miami).

BarryinIN, who seizes every opportunity to inject support for an F1 return to Indy, no matter how slight.

[cbo]

but are the raw numbers of people really an issue? 10 years ago we were running in Turkey with empty grandstands

Possibly, the number of people visiting the track is mainly of interest to the owners of the track, as the race is their main business. But the number of attendants is moot, if you can get funding elsewhere. For example from governments or companies that have an interest in promoting their city, country, way of life or whatever. In those cases, plebs (fans) on the grand stands are just in the way of a good show for the champagne drinking jetset and you only need enough of a crowd for TV producers to show a couple of shots of happy people.

The real money is found in media, TV, streaming, interweb etc.