89 replies to this topic

[BRG]

There have been a lot of calls for such a race, but as soon as one is proposed, nearly everyone here dumps on it.

[Beri]

They should use the old arrows 3-seaters. Regular drivers have to be passengers

 

Why limit it to..

 

 

..Arrows alone..?

 

[krapmeister]

Idea was to do that at post season test session. And i'm not sure, that there are agreement to do that in 2024 already.

Ah OK, thanks. Though begs the obvious question - will it be televised? Because if a grid of rookies races round a race track, and no one is able to see it, does anyone give a sh!t?

[FirstnameLastname]

And mic'd up for the swearing.

Points deducted from the regular drivers championship for every swear from the 2 main drivers.

Hadjar driving the Redbull

[1player]

There is already Formula 2 and 3 to assess rookies. Should be the other way around, put F1 drivers in F3 cars for one race.

 

This, and sprint races, increasingly feel like a solution looking for a problem.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Ah OK, thanks. Though begs the obvious question - will it be televised? Because if a grid of rookies races round a race track, and no one is able to see it, does anyone give a sh!t?

 

I'd have thought that Liberty would want to milk it a bit.

 

The stars of tomorrow all-rookie F1 graduation race sponsored by Pampers

 

Or something.

[PayasYouRace]

I’ve had an idea is inspired by my yacht club’s “Regatta Week”. In the late summer, we have a dedicated week to sailing which does not count towards our King’s Cup, which you can consider to be our season championship. There are various races including under-30s, over-30s, veterans race, ladies race, and it concluded with four high profile races at the weekend for four prestigious cups in their own right.

So I propose a Grand Prix week. Could be the last week before the summer break, but I’m imagining after the season finale for everyone to let their hair down a bit. The week could contain the following races (in no particular order).

- F1 Academy (Ladies) Race: Have the top girls from the F1 academy race in F1 cars, plus other guests such as Jamie Chadwick or the Iron Dames.
- Junior race: for drivers with less than 2 GP starts, in F1 cars. (Basically what we’re talking about here.)
- Veterans Race: The opposite. Basically like the old GP Masters series. Get the old boys in for a fun race. Cars can be non-F1 spec but need to be fast.
- Historic F1 car race: Have a round of the FIA Historic F1 championship. Drivers could be anyone, though F1 drivers encouraged.
- F1 stars in reasonably priced cars. Have a race for the current F1 grid in spec touring cars, Nurburgring 1984 style.

Those would be the weekdays. Format would be an hour of practice in the morning, qualifying at midday, and the race in the afternoon. F1 races on Tuesday and Thursday to allow for repairs. Spec races on the Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Then at the weekend, have two longer F1 races. Maybe 200 km long, and non-championship. Qualifying in the morning, race in the afternoon. Plus a bit of wiggle room in case any of the week’s sessions were delayed. Could be an opportunity for drivers to get their first race with a new team. (I’m imagining the 2008 Surfers Paradise Indycar race, where drivers drove for their 2009 teams.) Each of these races would be awarded a prestigious trophy from motorsport history.

All in all a fun way to end the season, once the serious business of the world championship is over.

Edit: For a bonus, if done at the right venue, different layouts can be used for different races.

[paulb]

Sideshow race for the pinnacle, excellent.

[Bleu]

Based on normal test schedule, it means the race would be in the middle of the week?

[FirstnameLastname]

Based on normal test schedule, it means the race would be in the middle of the week?

9am on a Tuesday morning

[Anja]

It's not happening. Maybe next year.

 

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Edited by Anja, 02 October 2024 - 17:40.

[P123]

Oh no. 

[LolaB0860]

With luck it gets buried and forgotten next year too, just as the new points system.

[Yoshi]

Classic

[SB]

Now this is the F1 I am familar with - Good ideas will take forever to be materialized , while bad ideas will be effective immedicately !

[Metronazol]

- F1 stars in reasonably priced cars. Have a race for the current F1 grid in spec touring cars, Nurburgring 1984 style.
 

I'd pay actual real money to watch this

[PayasYouRace]

F1’s ability to suck any amount of fun out of the sport knows no bounds. I was actually looking forward to this. Would have been something new, interesting and fairly low stakes to round off the season.

[PayasYouRace]

With luck it gets buried and forgotten next year too, just as the new points system.

What new points system?

[BRG]

So, not happening.  That will please the many here who didn't have a good word to say about it.

Edited by BRG, 03 October 2024 - 09:18.

[Risil]

Boo! Hiss!

[Sterzo]

Definitely disappointing, but there are reasons why it's being deferred:

 

"While F1's sprint race regulations were thought likely to be the basis for the sporting rules, factors that were being considered included engine component limitations - a normal F1 season is governed by a budget cap, which this falls outside of - who pays for the extra personnel required for a race event rather than a post-season test, which this was set to replace, and establishing the criteria for which drivers would be allowed to take part." (From The Race).

 

Plenty to squabble about there, and it's best done before an event rather than afterwards.

[Clatter]

Definitely disappointing, but there are reasons why it's being deferred:

"While F1's sprint race regulations were thought likely to be the basis for the sporting rules, factors that were being considered included engine component limitations - a normal F1 season is governed by a budget cap, which this falls outside of - who pays for the extra personnel required for a race event rather than a post-season test, which this was set to replace, and establishing the criteria for which drivers would be allowed to take part." (From The Race).

Plenty to squabble about there, and it's best done before an event rather than afterwards.

I'll bet the only reason it's not happening is money. Neither the teams or FOM want to pay for it, and I'd be surprised if any sponsers want to get involved for what will, in reality, be a meaningless event.

[pdac]

So, not happening.  That will please the many here who didn't have a good word to say about it.

 

Really, they've just said that this year is not happening. But I would not be surprised to see the whole idea quietly shelved. They say they need more time, but that just says to me that the teams are luke-warm (at best) to the idea and would rather not go to the bother.

[ArchieTech]

I don't really understand the point reported about engine components, they'd have been running these same engines at the test session it was going to replace anyway surely?

Hopefully it happens in future, I'm surprised so many here didn't like it.

[BRG]

 I'm surprised so many here didn't like it.

It's something new, so it must be resisted.  Nothing is so conservative as a F1 fan.

 

I expect the teams don't want it although as it would just use up their redundant and obsolete cars and engines, their outlay would be minimal.

[JvsKVB77]

It's something new, so it must be resisted.  Nothing is so conservative as a F1 fan.

 

I expect the teams don't want it although as it would just use up their redundant and obsolete cars and engines, their outlay would be minimal.

We saw enough sprints and they are bad, so halfgrid sprint would not be better) I saw enough 10 cars races in some junior series and even one 6 car race in F1 - they was not good. Even when it was real races with points, prizes e.t.c. There teams had zero reasons to compete, to use full engine power instead of getting information from the test session. And even 1 GP not say anything about drivers mostly, so no way test halfgrid sprint would. 

Edited by JvsKVB77, 04 October 2024 - 09:57.

[PayasYouRace]

We saw enough sprints and they are bad, so halfgrid sprint would not be better) I saw enough 10 cars races in some junior series and even one 6 car race in F1 - they was not good. Even when it was real races with points, prizes e.t.c. There teams had zero reasons to compete, to use full engine power instead of getting information from the test session. And even 1 GP not say anything about drivers mostly, so no way test halfgrid sprint would.

Nobody would be forcing you to watch though.

[Sterzo]

Hold a race for ten young up-and-coming drivers in F1 cars, and I shall watch it. I don't care if it's significant or insignificant, if the cars are in full tune or not, if it's long or short, or close or processional. It's a motor race with interesting participants. Can't wait. (Though we'll have to as it turns out).

[JvsKVB77]

Nobody would be forcing you to watch though.

Yes. Just answered about conservatism, that this is not a reason for not think that this is great idea. With 20 cars it can be some sort of fun, like Race of Champions. Don't think you can judge some drivers from ROC. 

[Clatter]

It's something new, so it must be resisted. Nothing is so conservative as a F1 fan.

I expect the teams don't want it although as it would just use up their redundant and obsolete cars and engines, their outlay would be minimal.

Reports say that the race was championed by Red Bull, and had the support of all the teams. I still think this is purely down to no one actually wanting to fund it.

[arrysen]

Reports say that the race was championed by Red Bull, and had the support of all the teams. I still think this is purely down to no one actually wanting to fund it.

Apparently so on both your points - Adam Cooper, writing in Motor Sport, agrees with you. All makes sense when you think about it - let's see if they DO get themselves sorted out for 2025.

[PayasYouRace]

Yes. Just answered about conservatism, that this is not a reason for not think that this is great idea. With 20 cars it can be some sort of fun, like Race of Champions. Don't think you can judge some drivers from ROC. 

I think it would be fun. It doesn’t have to be for judging drivers, which seems to be a favourite pastime of F1 fans. It can just be for entertainment, and putting 10 rookies in F1 cars that aren’t going to be raced any more should be great fun.

[pdac]

I think it would be fun. It doesn’t have to be for judging drivers, which seems to be a favourite pastime of F1 fans. It can just be for entertainment, and putting 10 rookies in F1 cars that aren’t going to be raced any more should be great fun.

 

It probably will be used by teams to help judge drivers. But they won't be looking so much at the finish order.

[JvsKVB77]

I think it would be fun. It doesn’t have to be for judging drivers, which seems to be a favourite pastime of F1 fans. It can just be for entertainment, and putting 10 rookies in F1 cars that aren’t going to be raced any more should be great fun.

They still use them for 2years car tests. There are Yas Marina, not best circuit for fun.If teams level would be very different, race would be boring without teammates battle, and still, teams can give this to pay drivers, not for juniors, at least some of the teams.

[WonderWoman61]

Maybe leaving it until 2025 would be better as it gives them more time to do what needs to be done in order to organise it.

[pdac]

Maybe leaving it until 2025 would be better as it gives them more time to do what needs to be done in order to organise it.

 

But what needs to be done?

[WonderWoman61]

But what needs to be done?

Bad choice of words on my part.

[Sterzo]

But what needs to be done?

Discuss and agree between FIA, FOM and the teams how it's funded, whether it affects the cost cap, whether participating is compulsory for all teams, what the implications are for engine and gearbox usage rules. Plus any contentious items the famously imaginative F1 crowd can dream up, that we haven't thought of. Plenty to occupy a few meetings and generate disputes.

[pdac]

Discuss and agree between FIA, FOM and the teams how it's funded, whether it affects the cost cap, whether participating is compulsory for all teams, what the implications are for engine and gearbox usage rules. Plus any contentious items the famously imaginative F1 crowd can dream up, that we haven't thought of. Plenty to occupy a few meetings and generate disputes.

 

Yep, so all things that can be done in a single 2-hour meeting. Or, if they cannot all get together at the same time for 2 hours, something that someone can write a draft proposal on in 20 minutes and that can be finalised in two rounds of remote discussion. Unless, of course, your aim is to please everybody - in which case it will never happen (which is my prediction).

 

Rule of thumb ... if there is a genuine will amongst all to do something, it will get done fairly quickly. If it drags on, it's because one or more parties are not genuine when they say they want it to happen.

Edited by pdac, 05 October 2024 - 14:48.

[Sterzo]

^ Exactly what you and I would do at work within a department. But best of luck trying that with ten rival companies plus a global company with a narrow agenda, and a political/sporting organisation that struggles to agree with itself. Not a hope.