73 replies to this topic

[le chat noir]

End of spa is always sad when drivers pit (backwards) immediately at end of race.

I say, let them wave. Let them radio. Let them drive in sync.

Saving quali in laps won’t mean more fast running. The tyres are already spent.

What do we want? Fewer laps!
Seems an odd choice to me

[juicy sushi]

I'm at a loss as to why anyone would be against this.

Not invented here syndrome.

[juicy sushi]

I skimmed the OP and I still don't get it. What problem would that solve?

Basically, it removes the drivers on cool down laps interfering with drivers on hot laps.  If the timing line for qualifying is moved to a point prior to pit-in, after you do your hotlap, you then immediately pit, so rather than having to go around another time, you are not on track, potentially blocking/ruining the laps of other drivers.

 

It would reduce the number of "impeding" penalties handed out and some of the complaining about drivers being unable to find gaps to do hot laps.  

[PayasYouRace]

End of spa is always sad when drivers pit (backwards) immediately at end of race.

I say, let them wave. Let them radio. Let them drive in sync.

Saving quali in laps won’t mean more fast running. The tyres are already spent.

What do we want? Fewer laps!
Seems an odd choice to me

The Spa cooldown is a completely different thing. Frankly, if drivers are waving to the crowd on their I laps and getting in everyone else’s way, they deserve to be put to the back of the grid with penalties for impeding.

Changing the timing line won’t necessarily increase the number of fast laps, but it will decrease the amount of impeding incidents that occur. It will make it more likely that each driver will be able to set their representative fast lap.

Does anyone care about in laps? It’s not removing much spectacle.

[juicy sushi]

Even if they aren’t allowed to now, why not change that and let them, seeing as were changing stuff?

If they're willing to do sprint races no one asked for and which made the following Grand Prix much less interesting, then this is peanuts.

[PayasYouRace]

Mexico is another one where it would be great, having drivers start and finish their laps in the stadium section. Would be a great atmosphere.

[1player]

Moving the qually start/finish line before the pit entrance allows drivers to skip the cool down lap.

Wait, the cool down lap is not to cool down the car?

[PlatenGlass]

Wait, the cool down lap is not to cool down the car?

It's an in lap and it's to in the car.

[GlenWatkins]

Wait, the cool down lap is not to cool down the car?

I think it was initally used as a cool down lap, but after the introduction of blowers that teams now use an additional lap is no longer needed. And it's the only way to get back to the pits.

Edited by GlenWatkins, 30 September 2024 - 14:59.

[onemoresolo]

Saving quali in laps won’t mean more fast running. The tyres are already spent.

What do we want? Fewer laps!
Seems an odd choice to me

 

It will mean more fast running, by virtue of fewer laps being aborted due to traffic. 

 

Fewer in-laps with drivers trundling round at half pace is no loss.

 

More drivers being able to focus solely on extracting the maximum from their car, without distraction from cars returning to the pits, can only be a positive. That's what we want to see in qualifying, surely?

 

More flexibility also given that runs won't need to factor in ~2mins to return to the pits.

Edited by onemoresolo, 30 September 2024 - 15:03.

[GlenWatkins]

It will mean more fast running, by virtue of fewer laps being aborted due to traffic.

Fewer in-laps with drivers trundling round at half pace is no loss.

More drivers being able to focus solely on extracting the maximum from their car, without distraction from cars returning to the pits, can only be a positive. That's what we want to see in qualifying, surely?

More flexibility also given that runs won't need to factor in ~2mins to return to the pits also.

Good point regarding being a distraction. As we have seen multiple time this year drivers trundling around on their cool down lap have caused unsafe situations. All the more reason to get them off of the track.

[pacificquay]

Drivers getting their qualifying laps ruined by slow traffic is a problem, and eliminating in laps for “in corners” does wonders to reduce that problem.

 

No, I get that.

 

I was meaning the idea of having it in races to encourage people to pit for fastest lap - that bit is nonsense.

[PayasYouRace]

No, I get that.

I was meaning the idea of having it in races to encourage people to pit for fastest lap - that bit is nonsense.

Yeah that’s rubbish. But I think the thread has quite wisely ignored the rest of the OP and is focussing on the good part.

[SenorSjon]

End of spa is always sad when drivers pit (backwards) immediately at end of race.

I say, let them wave. Let them radio. Let them drive in sync.

Saving quali in laps won’t mean more fast running. The tyres are already spent.

What do we want? Fewer laps!
Seems an odd choice to me

 

Spa is a whole different kind of weird since there are more grandstands there, more eyeballs along the track and while still the longest track, the gap with other tracks lengthwise isn't that big anymore. So let them have their full lap.

 

Wait, the cool down lap is not to cool down the car?

 

They can wait for minutes at the end of the pitlane these days, unthinkable in the past.

[MikeTekRacing]

 

They can wait for minutes at the end of the pitlane these days, unthinkable in the past.

i think them being able to stop and restart the engine is the biggest difference

[Deeq]

What is there to manage on an in lap?

Presumably the random chance of impeding a competitors hot lap WHILE escaping a penalty.. 🙃
Not a challenge rather an unsporting nuisance!
Personally I would have liked 1 car at a time qualifying (at least Q3) driver against the clock & randomly allocated when they go out(fair ness).. Random since the track conditions change (just like skiing!)

[MikeTekRacing]

Presumably the random chance of impeding a competitors hot lap WHILE escaping a penalty.. 🙃
Not a challenge rather an unsporting nuisance!
Personally I would have liked 1 car at a time qualifying (at least Q3) driver against the clock & randomly allocated when they go out(fair ness).. Random since the track conditions change (just like skiing!)

Might pick outcome directly random if we go that far.
Qualy should give everyone the chance to decide when they want to go out.

Current system is easily the best I’ve seen in racing. The useless free for all session where nothing was happening 90% of the time was bad. The race fuel was awful and one lap was terrible.
The current one has 3 sessions, excitment, strategy and action. Why mess with it?

[Rediscoveryx]

This is a really good suggestion, although I would probably combine it with a shortening of the qualifying sessions as well, given that each attempt will now be roughly 100 seconds shorter.

[BerniesDad]

I'm terrified that Liberty will read this, decide that it's a problem worth solving, and then invent a "better" solution consisting of painting an 'inside lane' around the entire track and mandating that only in-lappers can use this lane, and then penalising anyone racing who crosses the white line.

[PayasYouRace]

This is a really good suggestion, although I would probably combine it with a shortening of the qualifying sessions as well, given that each attempt will now be roughly 100 seconds shorter.

The whole point is to reduce the traffic from in laps. Making the session shorter would nullify it.

[le chat noir]

The whole point is to reduce the traffic from in laps. Making the session shorter would nullify it.

 

You just got rid of a third of the laps.

 

All you've done is remove slow cars from impeding someone who didn't find the right gap. They're all still going to go out at the same time when the conditions are most perfect, and because there's less chance of being tripped up by an in lap, there's less need for a banker - out laps and flying laps at the same time won't encounter the same levels of traffic.

 

There's no extra tyres, and so there's no incentive to go out early. You'll need a third less of the time. You don't really need the full running time now anyway.

 

So we can likely get quali done in half an hour with this.

 

And hey, you can have more time for drivers on milk floats and concerts.

[Beri]

A third of the laps which do not matter to the end result and only wear out tyres and cost fuel. Yes, the fans most likely would like to see cars pass by as much as possible. But as a fan myself, I only care for the moments the cars are on edge. Not when they are cooling down and/or saving resources to get back to the pits.

[Taxi]

I actually like the ideia in qualifying. Could help to have less trafic. 

[Nemo1965]

In the very unlikely event I would have been a F1-driver, I would have been all for it. Be it in karting or in sim-racing, after I've really pressed myself for a good lap, I'm just completely done focussing and want to be off the track immediately. I am so ever grateful that in sim-racing you can press a button and hey-presto: you're back in the pits!

 

I think I would find it awful to have put in the best lap you could possible squeeze out of yourself and then have the drive the whole damn lap again. Like doing the dishes by hand immediately after a perfect meal.