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[Ruusperi]

Yeah, it makes no sense to transfer a vegetative person to a wedding abroad, unless Corinna thinks its symbolic meaning is so important that Michael should be there no matter what.

 

But it's clear Michael is not conscious enough to make his own decisions. I'm sure he would have sent a message of any kind to his fans if he was able to do so.

 

It's a shame that the family feels they have to hide Schumi like he's some sort of freak. If his conditions was made public, he could be a great advocate of people who have suffered similar head injuries, showing that there's nothing embarrassing in his condition.

[Flyhigh]

Best sense I gather from his conditions is Massa on podcasts here over the years, always respecting the family wishes never talking directly about his condition, but basically between the lines painting a pictur for example, even though he is one of the person authorized to visit him, that it doesn´t make sense to do so very much, along those lines, as if like there is much interaction to be had.   

[AnttiK]

It's a shame that the family feels they have to hide Schumi like he's some sort of freak. If his conditions was made public, he could be a great advocate of people who have suffered similar head injuries, showing that there's nothing embarrassing in his condition.

 

I got the impression that Schumacher was a very private person already during his F1 career, he was someone who wanted to keep his private life away from public. Even if he was living a normal healthy life in today's world, it would be very difficult for me to picture him as someone who is frequently posting on social media about his day to day life etc.

 

With that in mind, I'm not sure that it would be respecting his wishes if he was shown in public in his current condition. In principle, I'm someone who usually doesn't like censorship, hiding things etc., I like openness and transparency. But I think in this case we also have to respect the family's wishes, or Michael's wishes, if he ever discussed how he would like to have things handled in this type of a scenario.

Edited by AnttiK, 02 October 2024 - 17:32.

[pdac]

It's a shame that the family feels they have to hide Schumi like he's some sort of freak. If his conditions was made public, he could be a great advocate of people who have suffered similar head injuries, showing that there's nothing embarrassing in his condition.

 

I think it's more that they know if they give even the tiniest hint that there's possible access to him, then they will have stalking paparazzi following their every move 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. That's the sad thing, that some people just cannot respect other people's need for even a little privacy.

[PayasYouRace]

 

I got the impression that Schumacher was a very private person already during his F1 career, he was someone who wanted to keep his private life away from public. Even if he was living a normal healthy life in today's world, it would be very difficult for me to picture him as someone who is frequently posting on social media about his day to day life etc.

 

With that in mind, I'm not sure that it would be respecting his wishes if he was shown in public in his current condition. In principle, I'm someone who usually doesn't like censorship, hiding things etc., I like openness and transparity. But I think in this case we also have to respect the family's wishes, or Michael's wishes, if he ever discussed how he would like to have things handled in this type of a scenario.

 

 

If he was out in public then he would be fair game to any photographer. So I assume if any part of this story is true, he's have been kept secreted away in private, where the family can maintain control.

 

The family are pulling a huge Streisand Effect though, but not even reporting on his condition at all.

[azza200]

It is good to hear that he was able to be there for his daughter's wedding. I think it's probably unhelpful to speculate much about how much he was involved. But we do know that Jean Todt has talked about watching grands prix on TV with Michael, and Ralf mentioned him "being there" but in different ways to the past. I imagine he's aware of what's going on and at least able to consent to travelling. 

 

A miracle is unlikely, I just remain hopeful that he's well enough to get some enjoyment from life. And hopefully the other day that included his daughter's wedding. 

 

i agree but sadly i think Michael is now like Eddie Kidd & the way he was when he Top Gear did a feature on him a few years ago

Edited by azza200, 02 October 2024 - 17:55.

[pdac]

If he was out in public then he would be fair game to any photographer. So I assume if any part of this story is true, he's have been kept secreted away in private, where the family can maintain control.

 

The family are pulling a huge Streisand Effect though, but not even reporting on his condition at all.

 

It would appear to me that the family are succeeding well in maintaining their privacy. So not a Streisand situation at all.

[FirstnameLastname]

As an aside… I can’t believe that’s 10 years!

[MortenF1]

Wouldn’t it be a miracle, if a person got out of a vegetative state?

[MikeTekRacing]

i don't think there was any confirmation he was in a vegetative state. Whatever state he is in is bad, but we have no information of what that state is

[Anuity]

It was mentioned last year or so, that they would move permanently to Mallorca, so it is only natural he was present at the site. Doesn’t mean much more than that.

 

i hope, there has been an improvement though…

[marcainley]

If Michael is conscious enough to have understood what was happening at Gina's wedding, and it made him happy, then I am happy.

[Autodromo]

I am still floored that a world class athlete was taken down by a skiing fall.  He defines F1 for me and I wish him the best.  I do not expect any miracles and just hope he has some happy moments and is in no pain.

[Marklar]

Yeah, it makes no sense to transfer a vegetative person to a wedding abroad, unless Corinna thinks its symbolic meaning is so important that Michael should be there no matter what.

But it's clear Michael is not conscious enough to make his own decisions. I'm sure he would have sent a message of any kind to his fans if he was able to do so.

It's a shame that the family feels they have to hide Schumi like he's some sort of freak. If his conditions was made public, he could be a great advocate of people who have suffered similar head injuries, showing that there's nothing embarrassing in his condition.

the wedding was on the residence where Schumacher is being treated. they moved ages ago from Switzerland to Spain

I suspect "attended" (if it's even true) will be him watching from inside the house out of the window where the ceremony took place. Paparazi managed to take pictures of the ceremony, so I doubt he was really "there'

Edited by Marklar, 03 October 2024 - 12:01.

[absinthedude]

If Michael is conscious enough to have understood what was happening at Gina's wedding, and it made him happy, then I am happy.

 

Years ago a nurse who had treated Michael in hospital revealed that he was "conscious". But it is worth noting that in the medical sense, conscious doesn't have to mean sat up in bed, alert and chatting with the nurses. It means he wasn't unconscious....he was aware and responding to some extent.

 

I don't like speculating but I would imagine he's sufficiently aware to make basic decisions about his welfare and attending a wedding. He is certainly not in a persistent vegetative state, as some claim. That has been confirmed both by the nurse and by some who visited him. But remember there are many stages between "not a vegetable" and "The Michael we all knew 15 years ago"

[registered]

If he was out in public then he would be fair game to any photographer. So I assume if any part of this story is true, he's have been kept secreted away in private, where the family can maintain control.

The family are pulling a huge Streisand Effect though, but not even reporting on his condition at all.

At least not in Germany. If you are doing such things as shopping or visiting a restaurant photographers can't just take a photo of you and publish it

[PayasYouRace]

At least not in Germany. If you are doing such things as shopping or visiting a restaurant photographers can't just take a photo of you and publish it

Shops and restaurants aren’t public spaces though.

[registered]

If you are just walking through the public street it's the same

[Stephane]

Yeah, that's why google street view is so bad in Germany

[PayasYouRace]

Bizarre.

[midgrid]

Yeah, that's why google street view is so bad in Germany

 

Although it's improved a lot over the last year or so.

[garoidb]

i agree but sadly i think Michael is now like Eddie Kidd & the way he was when he Top Gear did a feature on him a few years ago

 

That comparison had occurred to me too but we can't say if it is at a similar level. I don't think it is the absolute worst case scenario, unfortunately, but there is hope  that it may be better.

Edited by garoidb, 03 October 2024 - 16:09.

[IrvTheSwerve]

I wonder if any of this could be something to throw people off the scent, i.e. he is actually somewhere entirely different.

[pdac]

At least not in Germany. If you are doing such things as shopping or visiting a restaurant photographers can't just take a photo of you and publish it

 

Just because then can't legally do it does not mean that they won't do it anyway.

[absinthedude]

Different countries have different laws and customs around various aspects. Public photography really isn't a thing in Germany nor in much of France. Whereas to a British person it is an absolute right and unthinkable to be otherwise (though Ken Livingstone did once suggest banning photography in parts of London...only to be put in his place by the police because he had no such right nor could anyone in their right minds see why he'd want to). 

 

With someone like Michael Schumacher, you can bet that if anyone took an unwanted photo he and/or his family would invoke the legal system. 

 

I have a fun T-shirt with a picture of a 1955 Agfa Super Silette camera and the words "I shoot people" on it. I am told by German photographer friends that one could be arrested for wearing that in Germany. I've worn it and carried that model of camera around in England many times. 

[MikeTekRacing]

in these times there is nohting the family can do if a photo is out. Yes, there are legal things, once online, out in the wild...it's done. You won't take it down.

so they need to be super careful. 

[Stephane]

Just because then can't legally do it does not mean that they won't do it anyway.

 

Germans tend to observe the law, for the most part.

[pdac]

Germans tend to observe the law, for the most part.

 

Paparazzi are not Germans, they are from all nationalities. They travel to where the story is and persist to get the shot that will sell around the world.

[MikeTekRacing]

Germans tend to observe the law, for the most part.

it really depends on the cost benefit of breaking it.

Yes, regular daily things - Germans prefer order and following rules.

Getting a picture of Michael would be very valuable - and after sharing it basically impossible to revert. Things get viral today. That's a high incentive for people to break the law