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[pdac]

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I know they don't know I exist. Which is why every year I've approached this discussion from what I think is best for them, not based on what I want.

 

This isn't about my right to know anything, and I don't care about his day to day existence. That's not why I think they should have confirmed what condition he was in. By not confirming his condition, they left the door open for speculation, for more questions asked about it. Questions posed directly at them.

 

But you are assuming that you know what is best for them. You are assuming that the speculation is a bother or unhealthy for them. You are also assuming that it would all go away if they just gave a little more information. I don't feel that any of these assumptions are correct.

[Lerdes]

It's obvious that Michael is a disabled person at the moment maybe for the rest of his life. If it were different we would all already know.

Edited by Lerdes, 02 January 2022 - 15:03.

[PayasYouRace]

But you are assuming that you know what is best for them. You are assuming that the speculation is a bother or unhealthy for them. You are also assuming that it would all go away if they just gave a little more information. I don't feel that any of these assumptions are correct.

I’m not making the first assumption. I’m only forming an opinion based on the information provided. The second seems like a fair assumption, seeing as their desire to remain private indicates they don’t wish to be bothered about questions regarding his condition. I also think the third is a fair assumption, because lack of information drives inquisitiveness and speculation.

[jimjimjeroo]

It's obvious that Michael is a disabled person at the moment maybe for the rest of his life. If it were different we would all already know.

With the developments in Micks career in recent years I firmly believe that if Micheal could talk we would have heard a sound bite, a congratulations...

But silence

[ProSportsCars]

Happy Birthday Michael Schumacher, keep fighting.

[AlexPrime]

Happy Birthday! And thanks for all the great memories...

[thefinalapex]

Happy Birthday! And thanks for all the great memories...

 

I would so loved too see him do le mans in 2014 and beyond. I feel Michael still had still so much too give. 

[rc2702]

I would so loved too see him do le mans in 2014 and beyond. I feel Michael still had still so much too give. 

 

Ditto. He had a hell of a lot to give to the sport. I honestly think he would have played an integral role with Brawn et al working directly for Formula One.

 

He'd have loved seeing Hamilton going at his records too imo and he'd have enjoyed seeing Mercedes succeed. 

Edited by rc2702, 03 January 2022 - 13:47.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Happy birthday, champ!

[IrvTheSwerve]

For anyone who is interested, Sky Sports F1 are having a bit of a 'Schumacher day' with full reruns of some of his iconic races (Spain 96, Suzuka 00, etc.).

 

Also, I think it's a bit naïve for people to say that there shouldn't be any speculation on his condition. He is/was one of the biggest sports stars the world has ever seen, certainly in the top couple that our sport has ever seen. He had/has a monumental fan base. With him effectively disappearing all of a sudden with no 'proper' information on his condition - it's all been fairly vague and plenty of different conclusions could be made - of course there will be years and years of speculation, probably sadly until his death.

 

I don't think it's particularly disrespectful to have this debate and the Schumacher family are of course aware of people questioning what is happening. It is of course their right to keep everything quiet and private as families deal with things in different ways, but that is naturally going to lead to discussion.

 

I don't personally lose sleep over it, as sad as it is, but if the Schumachers did release full(ish) details of his condition I'm pretty sure that the debate would die down pretty quickly and people would move on. It's a bit naïve to say that 'they owe us (or his fans) nothing', as they have given him the adoration and millions of dollars that is effectively keeping him alive right now. Again, it's not something that bothers me particularly but the debate will carry on for decades - make no mistake. 

Edited by IrvTheSwerve, 03 January 2022 - 14:33.

[Redaxo]

I don't personally lose sleep over it, as sad as it is, but if the Schumachers did release full(ish) details of his condition I'm pretty sure that the debate would die down pretty quickly and people would move on.

 

FFS everyone should know by now what's going on. No photo or video for years, statements from Todt during an interview or Mick in the Netflix documentary should create a clear picture: He is in a koma or vegetative state, the old Schumacher is gone. What more do you want? Should they push him outside so that you can have a look at him? Or maybe the full medical record?

Edited by Redaxo, 03 January 2022 - 15:13.

[IrvTheSwerve]

FFS everyone should know by now what's going on. No photo or video for years, statements from Todt during an interview or Mick in the Netflix documentary should create a clear picture: He is in a koma or vegetative state, the old Schumacher is gone. What more do you want? Should they push him outside so that you can have a look at him? Or maybe the full medical record?

 

Strange response to my post given that I said that I don't really personally care what is done - it's not my business or doesn't affect my life. I'm just saying that there are many people who want to hear from the family themselves, outside of vague 'he isn't the same' comments. That's all.

 

There is a happy medium between doing nothing and rolling him out in his bed to a bunch of cameras.

[dannyricsshoe]

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

Edited by dannyricsshoe, 03 January 2022 - 16:06.

[Silverstone96]

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

Jesus Christ.

[Silberpfeil]

This date is never easy for me, as a huge Schumacher fan growing up. He was the foundation for my love of all things that had four wheels and were able to go (somewhat) fast. Happy Birthday, Michael.

[pacificquay]

It was clear very early on and remains clear today that we have, as they say in America, “lost” Michael Schumacher.

[dannyricsshoe]

Jesus Christ.

He could very well be part of the problem. Unfortunately.

[messy]

I would so loved too see him do le mans in 2014 and beyond. I feel Michael still had still so much too give.

Personally I think he was done with racing entirely- what I really miss is his presence in Mick's blossoming career.

[thefinalapex]

Personally I think he was done with racing entirely- what I really miss is his presence in Mick's blossoming career.

 

If only we knew , yeah seeing him trackside at a track watching mick in silence. Sometimes i just can't believe the accident really happend.. Still hoping for a miracle

Edited by thefinalapex, 03 January 2022 - 21:24.

[Bleu]

Imagine if this meeting had been between Michael and Lewis, from Eifel GP 2020.

 

Edited by Bleu, 04 January 2022 - 08:56.

[absinthedude]

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

 

In nearly 34 years using the internet, this is the single most disrespectful post I have ever read. I am thoroughly disgusted. And I'm not even a MSC fan. 

[pUs]

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

 

Wow.  That's pretty harsh.

[F1Johnny]

They are their own worse enemies and come out with riddles instead of facts. Mick has the weight on his shoulders of not being allowed to share his pain...all the time.

Sometimes it's beneficial to talk and be open about things.

But I still stick to my view. If he's indeed in a vegetable or coma state then they are just delusional and probably haven't been following doctors recommendations.

 

This is as foul a post I have seen. 

 

You know what's best for the family.  Maybe send them a detailed write up for them to follow and in it tell them to snap out of their delusional state over their husband/father.  C'mon, danny, you owe it to the family to tell them what is right.  

 

Absolutely ridiculous and supercilious.  Jump off your horse.

[dannyricsshoe]

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

[mmmcurry]

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

 

I've had that conversation with my family and we've all pretty much said pull the plug if we're non responsive with no chance of recovery.

 

For Schumacher though we don't know his current condition or any future recovery (if any) and it's not really our business.

 

Steve.

[pUs]

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

 

The point is, none of us know if his condition really is that bad though. It's pure speculation. 

[A3]

Oh common. You guys just can't face it because it's the truth.
Would you want to be kept alive in a vegetative state for so long when there's no hope of recovery?

I'm sure Michael will be like any other sensible person and wouldn't want to put his family through it. There won't be many racing drivers who haven't had 'that' conversation and to think anyone would want anything else than to be let go is just plain stupid.

I don't see how it's any different from the thousands of other cases where people are needlessly kept alive for a chance of a miracle doctors know won't happen.

I'd gladly write the family a letter but the chances are if they won't listen to a doctor they aren't going to listen to me.

They will do what they want but they're just plain stupid being all hush hush about it and even more stupid keeping him alive if he's braindead.

 

Why are you being so offensive when you don't know anything about his condition?

[Afterburner]

It's probably best that we let this go until there's any further news on Michael's condition. Please PM me or one of the other members of the mod team if there is something new to discuss and the thread will be reopened. Thanks.

[jonklug]

I pray this is true, and very happy for him if that's the case. Will forever hold out hope for his condition to improve. His daughter looked wonderful, and it's awesome she got her dad to be there.

https://www.mirror.c...edding-33794334

[Stephane]

He was there, i guess that's all that is sure

[DW46]

❤️

[eibyyz]

         

[cjm321190]

This is good news. Because if Michael could not remember anything they would not risk him being there.

Precautions for privacy but always a risk no?

So i suspect he has some functionality and communication, possibly visually very different from surgeries.

Still guesswork but we can hope.

[messy]

Speculation/hearsay on Reddit, no more, that he was seen talking to family and friends and “seems to be doing well”.

It’s hard to know what to believe but it does sound very encouraging.

Edited by messy, Today, 21:21.

[thefinalapex]

Said on Reddit that he was seen talking to family and friends and “seems to be doing well”.

It’s hard to know what to believe but it does sound very encouraging.

Do you have a link for the reddit part? Would be awesome if true:)

[jonklug]

Said on Reddit that he was seen talking to family and friends and “seems to be doing well”.

It’s hard to know what to believe but it does sound very encouraging.

 

I very much doubt this. Would love it to be true, but in the documentary, Mick said he would give anything to be able to talk to his dad about everything.

 

But maybe his condition has improved? One can hope...

Edited by jonklug, Today, 21:00.

[messy]

It was from a big discussion on the F1 sub that came up in my feed, seemed to be based on an article. It’s so hard to know what to believe there because people obviously want to believe the best, and others were saying it can’t be true because of what Mick said in that documentary. I didn’t delve too deeply into it. I wonder if more detail will emerge in the coming days. I also really want it to be true that his condition is better than people thought, badly. I think most of us do.

[FirstnameLastname]

All phones had to be handed in on the way into the ceremony so that nothing ‘leaked’ of Schumacher’s condition

[kumo7]

There is nothing surprising for a mother to wish that her daughter celebrates with her father.

[pacificquay]

I suspect there’s not much truth in some of the wilder claims being made here.

 

We know what the family have said over the years - “we miss him”, “wish I could talk to him” etc.

 

People do not make miracle recoveries from these types of conditions nearly 11 years in.

[Nathan]

Mick said he would give anything to be able to talk to his dad about everything.

 

Having worked with stroke, MS, ALS, CF etc. there can be a big gap between an adult that you can have a 4 y/o level conversation with, impaired recall, takes time to respond and speak, perhaps impaired mouth motor skills, versus an adult with good recall, ability to put sentences together, and only takes 30 seconds to say something that takes us 10-15 seconds.

Edited by Nathan, Today, 21:22.