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[krapmeister]

Supercars wants to be the big fish, but there are bigger fish in bigger ponds...

[Alfisti]

Klemenko is a really odd cat but to her credit her team has done amazing things over the years. Ryan is known as a grumpy MF and thats coming from me. 

[Victor_RO]

Basically as the others have said before, there's a very toxic team and work environment around Erebus half-owner Barry Ryan. It all culminated around last year at The Bend when Kostecki had outings in Nascar and that rubbed Ryan and possibly others the wrong way and made everything over the edge toxic. Brodie got pissed and went on to win the Championship with the desire to leave afterwards. This has happened with Reynolds and Brown as well and both Ryan and Klimenko always said that if people don't want to be in the team, they can leave.

 

IIRC the initial issue also came down to Brodie defending Brown when he got signed by T8 to replace SVG after his Nascar departure announcement.

[juicy sushi]

IIRC the initial issue also came down to Brodie defending Brown when he got signed by T8 to replace SVG after his Nascar departure announcement.

Was it Brodie defending Brown, or being in a huff over not getting that seat?  I seem to recall both had a shot at it, but Erebus only was willing to let either/or go, and ideally not Brodie (the faster one).

[juicy sushi]

This is the crux of it, we see it in F1 too where the need to save money has seen things converge and a lack of creativity. The conundrum I guess is how do you foster creativity and not have teams eat themselves alive through over spending? In saying that, for all convergence where the two brands are basically the same car and spec parts etc, we have still seen 888 basically give everyone a beat down for nearly 20 years now. 

 

The series has a lot of issues, as you said going GT3 won't be cheap and it won't appease the traditional fan of our tintop racing. At a gut level you'd think a more production based series with a really snarling engine would get some tribalism back as well as much needed variety and maybe encourage the likes of Hyundai or BMW to enter if they could say halve the current costs and make it more production based?

TCR was right there, but TCR Australia seems fairly marginal now.

 

At the time, you could've probably done GT4, and tried to convince GM to do a GT4 'vette that you could guarantee some healthy sales for.  But that's still not traditional tin-top stuff, and it'd struggle to be recognized vs an Australian GT3 championship.  It would've capped costs effectively though, and been quite an open playground for a lot of brands to jump into.

 

I think though, that since Australia went to down the Supercars path instead of Super 2000 in the early 90s, the framing has always remained that the series would need to have big motors with lots of power, and ideally be a unique formula.  And if your self-image is that you must have those things, it limits your range of options given the other issues you're going to have.

[Victor_RO]

Was it Brodie defending Brown, or being in a huff over not getting that seat?  I seem to recall both had a shot at it, but Erebus only was willing to let either/or go, and ideally not Brodie (the faster one).

 

The version of the story I heard was Barry Ryan insulting Will and his T8 move at Erebus' post-Adelaide championship party, and getting into a near punch-up with Brodie because of it. And that would put it quite a few weeks after the announcement of the move.

[Alfisti]

It definitely needs a big engine, ideally NA. 

[OvDrone]

Was it Brodie defending Brown, or being in a huff over not getting that seat?  I seem to recall both had a shot at it, but Erebus only was willing to let either/or go, and ideally not Brodie (the faster one).

Kostecki stood up for Brown and wanted him at Erebus. This was before any thought of moving occurred. 

 

 

The version of the story I heard was Barry Ryan insulting Will and his T8 move at Erebus' post-Adelaide championship party, and getting into a near punch-up with Brodie because of it. And that would put it quite a few weeks after the announcement of the move.

Yup - that is the culminating part of it.

Kostecki had his first Nascar Cup outing on August 13 2023 at Indy Road Course and this, just a month after SVG's breakthrough win - so there was more hype around Supercars drivers and other Internationals appearing in Cup.

Only a week later after that, on the weekend of August 19-20 2023, at The Bend round of Supercars, Kostecki won all 3 races at the event, becoming outright favorite for the Championship. This in conjunction with the looming reality of the series losing SVG to Nascar, Brown maybe made his intentions know for moving in place of SVG known.

Maybe that came first or just Ryan being a d**khead, or both but various in the know sources point out to that weekend at The Bend as the first true cracks in the story. I think Ryan's inferiority complex and shaky ego couldn't take all the international spotlight on his star driver, Kostecki from the 1-2 punch of doing very well at Indy and also sweeping The Bend with SVG hype added to that. Then Brown's move to 888 with that and BOOM it all became an avalanche of vile vinegar, culminating at Adelaide.

The two owners told Brown and everyone that if someone doesn't want to race for them, then they can go, but maybe did not expect Kostecki following through with that RIGHT AFTER becoming Champion no less. So they squirmed and threatened legal action behind closed doors, all the while both them and the series pretended that oh, all is well - Kostecki just has burnout and needs time off etc etc

I remember how they tried painting it as Kostecki having a weak mental health / fatigue episode post-winning the championship... what a load of incredulous lies. And they obviously can't stop lying, as this useless moment of the fake assault points out. Like how pathetic to make your Bathurst winning drivers have to make those statements to the media and the dude was just drunk and hurt himself. These are all signs of pathological lying and a truly rotten business environment. 

But who's having the last laugh now, certainly not Erebus as apparently they are going for sale. While Brown is on his way to win the Championship with 888 and Kostecki off to way better pastures. Lol - get owned losers. 

Edited by OvDrone, 15 October 2024 - 18:18.

[Bunkered]

Kostecki stood up for Brown and wanted him at Erebus. This was before any thought of moving occurred. 

 

 

Yup - that is the culminating part of it.

Kostecki had his first Nascar Cup outing on August 13 2023 at Indy Road Course and this, just a month after SVG's breakthrough win - so there was more hype around Supercars drivers and other Internationals appearing in Cup.

Only a week later after that, on the weekend of August 19-20 2023, at The Bend round of Supercars, Kostecki won all 3 races at the event, becoming outright favorite for the Championship. This in conjunction with the looming reality of the series losing SVG to Nascar, Brown maybe made his intentions know for moving in place of SVG known.

Maybe that came first or just Ryan being a d**khead, or both but various in the know sources point out to that weekend at The Bend as the first true cracks in the story. I think Ryan's inferiority complex and shaky ego couldn't take all the international spotlight on his star driver, Kostecki from the 1-2 punch of doing very well at Indy and also sweeping The Bend with SVG hype added to that. Then Brown's move to 888 with that and BOOM it all became an avalanche of vile vinegar, culminating at Adelaide.

The two owners told Brown and everyone that if someone doesn't want to race for them, then they can go, but maybe did not expect Kostecki following through with that RIGHT AFTER becoming Champion no less. So they squirmed and threatened legal action behind closed doors, all the while both them and the series pretended that oh, all is well - Kostecki just has burnout and needs time off etc etc

I remember how they tried painting it as Kostecki having a weak mental health / fatigue episode post-winning the championship... what a load of incredulous lies. And they obviously can't stop lying, as this useless moment of the fake assault points out. Like how pathetic to make your Bathurst winning drivers have to make those statements to the media and the dude was just drunk and hurt himself. These are all signs of pathological lying and a truly rotten business environment. 

But who's having the last laugh now, certainly not Erebus as apparently they are going for sale. While Brown is on his way to win the Championship with 888 and Kostecki off to way better pastures. Lol - get owned losers. 

 

I think Betty Klimenko's share of Erebus has been for sale off and on for much of the year. Barry Ryan apparently owns one of the two charters/licences under which the two cars operate, which muddies things from a sale point of view (IF Barry IS the problem, as it oft-reported, then the prospects of buying the team, but without the capability to rid oneself of the core of the malaise, can't be all that appealing, despite the potential for results which is obviously there).

[jonpollak]

Jesus, I asked for a quick summary….
Oh , car racing forum …

I know more now than I actually want.
Jp

[Bunkered]

Jesus, I asked for a quick summary….
Oh , car racing forum …

I know more now than I actually want.
Jp

 

I think, all things taken into account, it was a quick summary... and I'd argue that none of us still know truly, what the problems within Error Bus actually are.

[Wuzak]

I haven't watched Supercars at all this year, and only caught about 30 or 40 laps of the race.

 

I was a little surprised to see that after 30+ years of the drivers having the ability to adjust the anti-roll bars, they have to do it in the pits now.

 

What is the reasoning behind that?

 

Make sure that is the car is slightly off they have to suffer the whole stint?

[Bunkered]

I haven't watched Supercars at all this year, and only caught about 30 or 40 laps of the race.

 

I was a little surprised to see that after 30+ years of the drivers having the ability to adjust the anti-roll bars, they have to do it in the pits now.

 

What is the reasoning behind that?

 

Make sure that is the car is slightly off they have to suffer the whole stint?

 

I think it's about reducing the adjustability so that there's a chance that everybody will at some stage have to press on with bit of less-than-ideal handling, especially in the shorter races.  Still, the better equipes suffer less, as was evident by the cars at the sharp end not getting any sort of adjustment until later in the day...

[arrysen]

I haven't watched Supercars at all this year, and only caught about 30 or 40 laps of the race.

 

I was a little surprised to see that after 30+ years of the drivers having the ability to adjust the anti-roll bars, they have to do it in the pits now.

 

What is the reasoning behind that?

 

Make sure that is the car is slightly off they have to suffer the whole stint?

 

 

I think it's about reducing the adjustability so that there's a chance that everybody will at some stage have to press on with bit of less-than-ideal handling, especially in the shorter races.  Still, the better equipes suffer less, as was evident by the cars at the sharp end not getting any sort of adjustment until later in the day...

SVG had an interesting "take" on it during a recent interview that I tripped over. He said that the Gen3 cars were meant to have the usual cockpit-adjustable bars but initial production had delays and the cockpit adjusters weren't ready in time for the initial tests. At that point, the late decision was taken to leave the cars that way - I think in line with Bunkered's suggestion. Personally I think it's a crock and the cockpit adjustability should still be there, but that's just me.

[Wuzak]

It definitely needs a big engine, ideally NA. 

 

I think it would have been more interesting if they allowed Toyota to run their turbo 6 instead of a V8.

 

They are equalising the engines now.

 

At least close, so long as Chevrolet still wins!

[Bunkered]

https://www.v8sleuth...a-bathurst-win/

 

An insider's analysis of what Erebus did last week...

[Alfisti]

V8 sleuth are good guys, real race nuts