45 replies to this topic

[Nustang70]

Position changes during the Monaco GP are nearly impossible without pit stops or major disparity of tire grip. To lean into that, what if F1 established a rule requiring each driver to pit for super soft tires that only last a handful of laps? The drivers couldn't start on those super softs to satisfy the requirement and they'd have to wait a number of laps after the start or a restart to pit for the super softs so there's some spread to the field. This would add more pit stops which adds more potential for position changes, but also introduces a qualifying-like strategic aspect of seeking a gap in traffic to maximize the run on the super softs.     

[pacificquay]

No, let’s not.

[prty]

No, let’s not.

Great argument

[George Costanza]

Monaco has always been that way about overtaking.

Edited by George Costanza, 08 October 2024 - 17:30.

[Nustang70]

Monaco has always been that way about overtaking.

 

That's not a good reason to leave it broken though

[LolaB0860]

[PayasYouRace]

Four weeks without F1 is really messing with people’s minds.

Incredibly silly idea. Leave Monaco for what it is. If you don’t enjoy it you’ve got 23 other Grands Prix in a season now.

[Beri]

The only thing Id change with Monaco, but only if I had to, is implementing mandatory pitstops. 2 or 3 per driver should suffice. Otherwise, leave it as it is.

[Victor]

Sorry OP, but why should we be always trying to invent new rules for F1, aren't there already enough? Imagine football with so many rule changes. Monaco is fine. It is a different race, offering a different show. Yes it is almost impossible to pass, so strategy matters more. I am OK with that. If you do not like it skip that race. 

[jonpollak]

Mandatory celebrity driver changes mid race.

That’s really what you want isn’t it?

Jp

[pup]

No, grid determined by Thursday blackjack tournament.

[loki]

That's not a good reason to leave it broken though

It’s an activation and PR event.  It’s the hang and the aura.  Hasn’t been about racing for decades.

[LolaB0860]

The only thing Id change with Monaco, but only if I had to, is implementing mandatory pitstops. 2 or 3 per driver should suffice. Otherwise, leave it as it is.

 

The only thing I'd change is bring Thursday back to F1 and have Friday for F2 Feature Race

 

Also bring Formula Regional Europe or something there so that the supports are not the same as in every other Euro race

[Nustang70]

Jesus Christ. F1 already has mandatory pitstops and mandatory use of two tire compounds (not to mention DRS). Some people act like I've proposed that drivers should race in clown cars.  

 

To those who say, "If you don't like it, don't watch." Gimme a break. We're chatting on an F1 bulletin board; we're not casual fans. Obviously I don't want to tune out one of my favorite hobbies. I'll take horrid races at Monaco over nothing.

[Anderis]

Yes it is almost impossible to pass, so strategy matters more.

I don't recall strategy playing a major role in recent years. There's pretty much only one strategy that makes sense nowadays a.k.a. "one pit stop, make sure nobody undercuts you from behind first and foremost and maybe, with some luck, you'll manage to undercut someone in front of you". And this year's Monaco GP was probably the least strategic full distance race in the history of the sport.
 

[Brawn BGP 001]

Monaco they drive at like 25% pace in the first 30 laps to prevent undercuts.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 08 October 2024 - 20:07.

[PayasYouRace]

Jesus Christ. F1 already has mandatory pitstops and mandatory use of two tire compounds (not to mention DRS). Some people act like I've proposed that drivers should race in clown cars.  

 

To those who say, "If you don't like it, don't watch." Gimme a break. We're chatting on an F1 bulletin board; we're not casual fans. Obviously I don't want to tune out one of my favorite hobbies. I'll take horrid races at Monaco over nothing.

 

Do you watch every single motor race going on everywhere in the world, or do you pick and choose the races that you enjoy? I suspect the latter, so why should Monaco be an exception?

[FredrikB]

No, grid determined by Thursday blackjack tournament.

 

Brilliant idea. Lets decide the grid in a big event at the casino on saturday evening in James Bond style.

And the amount of coins they can play with are decided by free practice. 

[jonpollak]

I’ll Fold
Jp

[pup]

Wait until you hear my idea for Vegas - every pit box gets slot machine and the driver pulls the lever at his stop to determine which tires he gets, if any.  

[LolaB0860]

Brilliant idea. Lets decide the grid in a big event at the casino on saturday evening in James Bond style.

And the amount of coins they can play with are decided by free practice. 

 

I believe this is exactly how Balance of Performance is worked out in other series

[ARTGP]

Some people act like I've proposed that drivers should race in clown cars.  

 

Split topic! 

[Nustang70]

Do you watch every single motor race going on everywhere in the world, or do you pick and choose the races that you enjoy? I suspect the latter, so why should Monaco be an exception?

 

 

That doesn't make sense. Most races aren't one-offs, they belong to a series. So I don't pick and choose races, I pick and choose racing series. And I watch every race in each of those series. Even a stinker like Monaco still represents a chapter in the story of a season. Skipping it would feel like skipping a dull chapter in a novel. Maybe that works for some people but I don't find it satisfying. 

Edited by Nustang70, 08 October 2024 - 23:29.

[917k]

Allow no stopping…at least then you would get a tire delta.

Edited by 917k, 08 October 2024 - 23:16.

[Grippy]

One of the good things about Monaco is that it rewards drivers/cars who are good qualifiers but who fade in a more open race.

[George Costanza]

One of the good things about Monaco is that it rewards drivers/cars who are good qualifiers but who fade in a more open race.

Just like Jarno Trulli.

[loki]

Jesus Christ. F1 already has mandatory pitstops and mandatory use of two tire compounds (not to mention DRS). Some people act like I've proposed that drivers should race in clown cars.  

Well the Alpine is on the grid…

[Sterzo]

That doesn't make sense. Most races aren't one-offs, they belong to a series. So I don't pick and choose races, I pick and choose racing series. And I watch every race in each of those series. Even a stinker like Monaco still represents a chapter in the story of a season. Skipping it would feel like skipping a dull chapter in a novel. Maybe that works for some people but I don't find it satisfying. 

I am the exact opposite. The individual races matter to me, and the idea of some arbitrary system of points-scoring is secondary at best. Many's the time I've missed a Grand Prix on TV to go to a club meeting on the same day.

[Benchulo]

I think F1 should consider giving points for the top 10 positions for the qualifying and give less points for the GP on Sunday.

[Anderis]

Allow no stopping…at least then you would get a tire delta.

You wouldn't. Everyone would do a 0 pit stop baring some drivers in a  hopeless situation at the back trying something else for the sake of it.

 

This is basically what happened this year due to the red flag if anyone already forgot. A full distance race with not a single position change inside top10, must have been a very unique thing in F1 history. 

[IrvTheSwerve]

Yeah, the delta needed now at Monaco to pass is huge, even by Monaco standards.

 

I genuinely wonder if an F2 car could keep an F1 car behind now. The difference in pole was about 10 seconds. Probably not, but it would be an interesting experiment.

[IrvTheSwerve]

At least it's not a 'let's change Monaco' thread that is posted immediately before/after the GP, lol.

[SenorSjon]

It doesn't help the current crop of cars is aided by driving them way too slow. So less risk and less incidents.

 

As a wise man says:

"These cars are not easy to drive, but I think the problem of these cars as well is to extract the 100%," said the Aston Martin driver.

 

"So if you drive at 90%, sometimes you are faster because you don't put the platform in an inconvenient angle or ride heights. You are not pushing the limits, and it's where everything falls apart. So sometimes driving at 90% is fast."

 

https://www.motorspo...ought/10661341/

[jonpollak]

Wait until you hear my idea for Vegas - every pit box gets slot machine and the driver pulls the lever at his stop to determine which tires he gets, if any.  

Texas Indycar 2011.... Grid positions selected by spinning tyres.

 

Jp

[LolaB0860]

I genuinely wonder if an F2 car could keep an F1 car behind now. The difference in pole was about 10 seconds. Probably not, but it would be an interesting experiment.

 

Or how well the F1 cars could pass F2 cars at Monaco, that would be interesting too...

[IrvTheSwerve]

Or how well the F1 cars could pass F2 cars at Monaco, that would be interesting too...

Isn’t that just the same as what I said?  ​ 

[LolaB0860]

Isn’t that just the same as what I said?  ​ 

 

It is    my bad, I read it as if F2 car could follow behind F1 in formation

[rodlamas]

It seems there will be a C6 tire next year.

 

Change the sporting rules for Monaco, make them all use C6 for the 13 sets of tires + mandate a pitstop in racing conditions (not on a red flag). Should be enough.

[Brawn BGP 001]

Allow no stopping…at least then you would get a tire delta.

We had no stopping this year and it made the race worse than normal as it took away any strategy. Monaco GP can have super super soft tyre and it would make no difference, all that will do is make the drivers drive even further off the pace. It is probably the only race which has been made worse under the refuelling ban.

 

The highlight of Monaco is ALWAYS quali, the "Race" is just a parade.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 09 October 2024 - 18:50.

[SB]

As I mentioned in another thread, let's make the Monaco GP 100 laps like the good old old days.

 

Then pits-stops, driver errors , car failures would come up and makes the race interesting 

[rodlamas]

We had no stopping this year and it made the race worse than normal as it took away any strategy. Monaco GP can have super super soft tyre and it would make no difference, all that will do is make the drivers drive even further off the pace. It is probably the only race which has been made worse under the refuelling ban.

 

The highlight of Monaco is ALWAYS quali, the "Race" is just a parade.

Mandate 2-3 stops, just like Qatar 2023. And bring a C7 tire that lasts 40 miles maximum.

 

You don't need rocket science to solve it.

[BRG]

Lots of ideas here, all of which amount to putting lipstick on a pig.  Monaco is simply not fit for purpose anymore.  Get rid of it.  

[PlatenGlass]

Too much emphasis is put on tinkering with stuff "for the show". I don't think it's a good starting point.

[Baddoer]

Just a thought... What if each lap randrom driver get's permission to cut T1. Maybe this could potentially improve order with some little probabilty

[pup]

I think the premise that Monaco always produces boring races is a fallacy to begin with.  Yes, I agree that it's more likely than other tracks to produce a boring race; and I'd also agree that when it's boring, it's really boring.  But we've also had some pretty exciting racing there over the years.  

 

But that's really beside the point, because the purpose of Monaco isn't to produce nail biters.  The purpose of Monaco is the glamour, the history, and the excitement of just watching the cars on such a tight track.  If you approach it with the right expectations, then it's almost always fun.  If not, then don't watch it.  I think of the race as a bit of a palate cleanser.  Not every course is the main dish, nor do you want it to be - Monaco is more of an amuse bouche.  

Edited by pup, 10 October 2024 - 17:36.

[LolaB0860]

Just a thought... What if each lap randrom driver get's permission to cut T1. Maybe this could potentially improve order with some little probabilty

Random driver... yes I see no potential clashes of interest or manipulation accusations with this scenario