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[DevilDare]

Everyone is busy in that other thread so you get a minimal opening post thread edition.
 
Session Times
(Local Track Time - see here for your own time zone)
 
Friday 25th October:

• Practise 1: 12:30 - 13:30
• Practise 2: 16:00 - 17:30

Saturday 26th October:

• Practise 3: 11:30 - 12:30
• Qualifying: 15:00 - 16:00

Sunday 27th October:

• Race: 14:00

Standings
 
WDC:

• Verstappen: 354
• Norris: 297
• Leclerc: 275
• The rest...

WCC:

• McLaren: 544
• Red Bull Racing: 504
• Ferrari: 496
• The rest...

Track

[DJH63]

I always think the DRS zone between 11&12 is the height of pointlessness - T12 isn’t an overtaking opportunity unless you’re several seconds a lap faster and the stadium section just strings everyone out again anyway before the next one on the main straight.

[SparkPlug86]

lol -I've just done this too - posted at the same time. 

 

I'll ask mods to delete mine

[DevilDare]

lol -I've just done this too - posted at the same time. 

 

I'll ask mods to delete mine

 

Ay at least we both remembered it's a GP weekend! 

Edited by DevilDare, 25 October 2024 - 10:17.

[Hellenic tifosi]

What REALLY stinks isn't the DRS between 11-12 but the single detection zone for the first two zones. I absolutely hate it when this happens

 

Also, FP2 will be interesting as it's practically one big Pirelli test.

[JeePee]

I always think the DRS zone between 11&12 is the height of pointlessness - T12 isn’t an overtaking opportunity unless you’re several seconds a lap faster and the stadium section just strings everyone out again anyway before the next one on the main straight.

That's where all DRS zones should be: on straights where overtaking is difficult. DRS zones on straights where it was already possible just give you fly-by's.

[jonpollak]

¡¡Hola chicas !!

Preferiría mucho más el que tiene el título del hilo en español solo porque podría jurar en él y no recibiría un tirón de orejas.

Jp

[Nemo1965]

¡¡Hola chicas !!

Preferiría mucho más el que tiene el título del hilo en español solo porque podría jurar en él y no recibiría un tirón de orejas.

Jp

Tu, afuera!

[jonklug]

Been listening to the Mexican F1 anthem all week. Let's gooooo!

[southernstars]

The one whose times are so bad they're good. Quali at 8am on Sunday and the race at 7am on Monday.

[ArchieTech]

Just a heads-up for Sky UK viewers. They still don't appear to have attached any of the coverage to the usual series link, if you're recording it and rely on that. In fact the series link has gone on to pick up Sao Paulo next week. So you'll have to manually select which sessions you want to record.

[LolaB0860]

Edit: was confused about the 90min FP2 but it really is that for once.

Anyway. Among with the four Desertdromes and Miami this is at the bottom of my GPs. The only good aspects are high altitudes for engines and the long run to the first corner on first lap.

Edited by LolaB0860, 25 October 2024 - 10:41.

[jensfan09]

Among with the four Desertdromes and Miami this is at the bottom of my GPs. The only good aspects are high altitudes for engines and the long run to the first corner on first lap.

FP2 is extended for a Pirelli tyre test.

[Goron3]

Among with the four Desertdromes and Miami this is at the bottom of my GPs. The only good aspects are high altitudes for engines and the long run to the first corner on first lap.

FP2 is a Pirelli tyre test session, where the teams will get the chance to test 2025 rubber.

 

This will include the C6 tyre.

[LolaB0860]

Thanks!

There are also 6 support races but none of them are televised.

[MortenF1]

Riding onboard through the stadium section is cool 👍
Have no idea about the pecking order between the top four, but I think we’ll see Verstappen/Red Bull about as strong as Austin, which means in the fight for pole and top three in the race 😊
(Not the boldest prediction but they are improved)

[LegendInTheMaking]

The Mexican GP has had three distinct periods in its F1 history, each providing many memorable races. The circuit has various unique characteristics, one of which is its altitude. It has been constructed in the late 1950's and its F1 ambitions coincided with the rise to fame of first Ricardo Rodriguez and later also his brother Pedro Rodriguez. During its first F1 race, a non-WDC race (as was common back then for new circuits) in 1962, Ricardo had fatal crash in the Peraltada corner. 

 

From 1963 onwards, it hosted 8 consecutive races, of which the 1964 race was amongst the most tense title deciders of all time. In the penultimate round of the race, Jim Clark's engine blew up, eliminating him from a title winning position. Then in the final round of the race, Bandini moved over to allow teammate Surtees to take second place, which he needed to pass Graham Hill in the championship and win the title. Hill meanwhile had been driving a crippled car following a collision with Bandini. Can you image what social media would have done with this if it had already existed back then?

Contrary to the US events of the 80's, this race was cancelled after the 1970 edition had suffered from massive crowd control problems, with spectators being in front of the guard-rails, sitting at the trackside and even running across the track. 

 

In 1971, also Pedro Rodriguez died and the track was renamed after the brothers. 

 

In 1986 F1 returned to the track with their turbo cars. Gerhard Berger took his first and Benetton's first win, due to the durability of his Pirelli tires. 

 

The 1989 race was -in hindsight- the start of the end for Prost and McLaren as he felt Senna had a stronger engine than he had. Despite having a tow, Senna would pull away from Prost on the long straight. In his frustration about this, Prost ruined his tires and when McLaren made a mess of their pitstops, Prost had to settle for fifth while Senna took an easy win.

 

After the 1992 edition, the circuit was deemed not safe anymore and the race was cancelled again. This time it took until 2015 to return to Mexico. In the meantime, a baseball stadium had been built inside the Peraltada corner and this has now been incorporated in the new track layout.

 

 

Since its return, Verstappen has been the most successful driver in Mexico, gaining 5 race wins and scoring points in all other editions. During the dominant Mercedes years, the lack of power from Red Bull's Renault engines had been compensated by the high altitude of the track.

 

Meanwhile, local hero Sergio Perez has taken podiums in his first two races with a Red Bull, but had some altitude issues last year after colliding with Leclerc.

 

What will be the story of this years' GP?

[jensfan09]

What will be the story of this years' GP?

 

Probably about Lando vs Max (Despite whoever actually wins the race or is even on the podium!) lol

[FLB]

Probably about Lando vs Max (Despite whoever actually wins the race or is even on the podium!) lol

Fully agreed.

[SenorSjon]

Riding onboard through the stadium section is cool
Have no idea about the pecking order between the top four, but I think we’ll see Verstappen/Red Bull about as strong as Austin, which means in the fight for pole and top three in the race
(Not the boldest prediction but they are improved)

 

Really? I usually want to fast forward that because it is so slow and it looks that way as well. It feels tighter than Monaco.

[jonpollak]

Tu, afuera!

¿Por qué? Solo estoy hablando de Shaft !!
Jp

[chdphd]

Just a heads-up for Sky UK viewers. They still don't appear to have attached any of the coverage to the usual series link, if you're recording it and rely on that. In fact the series link has gone on to pick up Sao Paulo next week. So you'll have to manually select which sessions you want to record.

 

My Sky stuff has never worked as expected. I have to record each session manually and then Sky decides to record a bunch of stuff I haven't asked for, eg the highlights.

 

This happened on my old Sky+ box and is also true for my newish Sky Q box. Might be due to me using an ancient Sky legacy package.

[DaddyCool]

I will miss this GP as much as I'll miss Perez from the grid.

[DevilDare]

¿Por qué? Solo estoy hablando de Shaft !!
Jp

 

I know it's a Friday but bit early in the day to be talking about shafts.

[Anja]

The Mexican GP has had three distinct periods in its F1 history, each providing many memorable races. The circuit has various unique characteristics, one of which is its altitude. It has been constructed in the late 1950's and its F1 ambitions coincided with the rise to fame of first Ricardo Rodriguez and later also his brother Pedro Rodriguez. During its first F1 race, a non-WDC race (as was common back then for new circuits) in 1962, Ricardo had fatal crash in the Peraltada corner. 

 

Really nice job with these historical summaries 

[amerikalei]

Really nice job with these historical summaries 

Also, thanks for showing the best ever "special" F1 livery on the NART Ferraris, a nice nod to the "traditional" national colors rather than the forgettable corporate variations of the past couple decades.

 

Speaking of forgettable exercises in capital extraction, is this where Liberty/F1 introduces "sponsored DRS zones"?

Edited by amerikalei, 25 October 2024 - 11:48.

[lewislorenzo]

Don’t think there has ever been a good race here…awful track but great atmosphere

[JHSingo]

Ugh, this race. 

 

As much as I'm enjoying F1 at the moment, I can't express how much I hate this track.   

Far too many slow, fiddly corners (that stupid baseball stadium section has to be the worst combination of corners on the calendar currently, but hey, look at the fans!!!  ) and I'm pretty sure every race here since it was brought back has been an utter borefest after the first lap. It's horrible for racing. 

Please, Sergio, can you hurry up and retire so this abomination of a race track can be dropped from the calendar ASAP? 

[JimmyClark]

Ugh, this race. 

 

As much as I'm enjoying F1 at the moment, I can't express how much I hate this track.   

Far too many slow, fiddly corners (that stupid baseball stadium section has to be the worst combination of corners on the calendar currently, but hey, look at the fans!!!  ) and I'm pretty sure every race here since it was brought back has been an utter borefest after the first lap. It's horrible for racing. 

Please, Sergio, can you hurry up and retire so this abomination of a race track can be dropped from the calendar ASAP? 

 

I agree. I thought it would be great to have a historic track back, but the flow of the esses has been completely butchered with Tilke's unnatural angles, and obviously the stadium section is an abomination. Yes I can see why they couldn't keep the Peraltada, but it could have been done better. 

[Yoshi]

Drs Zone on the main straight has been reduced by 75 meters... Hopefully it wont get even more boring due to this change.

[JimmyClark]

Drs Zone on the main straight has been reduced by 75 meters... Hopefully it wont get even more boring due to this change.

 

Seems weird. Isn't the DRS here less effective anyway due to the thinner air? 

[ArchieTech]

Pato O'Ward is running in FP1 here for McLaren

[Muppetmad]

Between the (lack of) action and the late starting time in Europe, I may well nod off during this one!

[SenorSjon]

Don’t think there has ever been a good race here…awful track but great atmosphere

 

It isn't fun to drive in sims as well.

[FirstnameLastname]

Perez sacked on the flight home, right?

[Hellenic tifosi]

Ugh, this race. 

 

As much as I'm enjoying F1 at the moment, I can't express how much I hate this track.   

Far too many slow, fiddly corners (that stupid baseball stadium section has to be the worst combination of corners on the calendar currently, but hey, look at the fans!!!  ) and I'm pretty sure every race here since it was brought back has been an utter borefest after the first lap. It's horrible for racing. 

Please, Sergio, can you hurry up and retire so this abomination of a race track can be dropped from the calendar ASAP? 

 

Sadly, that's true.

 

Mexico needs to stay in the calendar IMHO, because of the fans, as well as the unique altitude challenge, but the circuit needs very serious change IMHO.

[MortenF1]

Really? I usually want to fast forward that because it is so slow and it looks that way as well. It feels tighter than Monaco.

I think its cool when they come onto the outside kerb entering T15 😃

[sportyskells]

A heads up here for uk it’s the annual change the clock back Grand Prix time (we get a extra hour in bed for us in uk kids and pets does not apply to them) 

[IrvTheSwerve]

I agree. I thought it would be great to have a historic track back, but the flow of the esses has been completely butchered with Tilke's unnatural angles, and obviously the stadium section is an abomination. Yes I can see why they couldn't keep the Peraltada, but it could have been done better. 

Yeah, I've never warmed to this track (or at least this iteration). One of those new tracks that I've no idea where it's going. Long straight...err, some 90 degree corners, squiggly high-speed stuff, WHOA THEY GO THROUGH A STADIUM, rubbish final corner, repeat.

[JHSingo]

Sadly, that's true.

 

Mexico needs to stay in the calendar IMHO, because of the fans, as well as the unique altitude challenge, but the circuit needs very serious change IMHO.

Yes, ideally in the form of bulldozing and starting from scratch again.   

I find it hard to understand why (as far as I'm aware) they haven't made a single change to the layout since it was brought back, when there's considerable evidence to show that it's awful for racing. A relatively quick and simple fix would just be to get rid of the stupid turn 2/3 chicane and make it more of a sweeping corner from turn one onto the following straight. That alone would surely allow for more overtaking chances down into turn four. Because currently the DRS zone there is as good as useless - cars always get close but usually can't pass into there. 

As for the baseball section, just blow the whole thing up with some dynamite.

Edited by JHSingo, 25 October 2024 - 12:56.

[F1Gui]

There is a small chance of light rain for the race. I can't recall it ever raining here but we can only hope that it does rain as only way to get a decent race.

[PayasYouRace]

Seems weird. Isn't the DRS here less effective anyway due to the thinner air? 

Yes, it would be less effective.

[DJH63]

Ugh, this race. 

 

As much as I'm enjoying F1 at the moment, I can't express how much I hate this track.   

Far too many slow, fiddly corners (that stupid baseball stadium section has to be the worst combination of corners on the calendar currently, but hey, look at the fans!!!  ) and I'm pretty sure every race here since it was brought back has been an utter borefest after the first lap. It's horrible for racing. 

Please, Sergio, can you hurry up and retire so this abomination of a race track can be dropped from the calendar ASAP? 

I always imagine the drivers screaming in their helmets as they close in on the car infront and then lazily slide through the stadium section as the car infront pulls away again.

[RedRabbit]

It's weird that the ONLY thing I can remember about this event is Vettel's meltdown and swearing directly at Charlie Whiting over the radio. But I don't even remember which year that was.

[ANF]

2016?

[F1 Mike]

It's weird that the ONLY thing I can remember about this event is Vettel's meltdown and swearing directly at Charlie Whiting over the radio. But I don't even remember which year that was.

Didn't he tell him to **** off?

[ANF]

2016?

I was right! https://youtu.be/9ECeVacI5Bc Apparently I remember the really important stuff.

[Goron3]

The frustrating thing about this track is that every part of the redesign has made it significantly worse.

Turns 4-6 are just far too tight and spread the cars out. The stadium is comically bad and spreads the cars out. The esses are just odd.

Even if they removed the stadium and re-introduced the old 180 degree corner, that would be fixing just a small part of the bad stuff.

The OG track was superb.

[eibyyz]

Pato O'Ward is running in FP1 here for McLaren

 

Which will be the highlight of the weekend for me.

[jonklug]

Practice 2 time is really taking the piss for me, just like in Austin.