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[SenorSjon]

Well, since Verstappen had a target on his back, stewards (and Norris) made full use of it. Was the penalty 5s last race, suddenly it is 10s again.

First T4. Yes, Norris was forced off, but he still remained in front. So usually no penalty is given for that. The second one was the resulting red mist.

But, we've seen Perez and Lawson, Perez and Stroll (both Stroll and Lawson NOT gunning it straight!) and Colapinto vs Lawson (Colapinto came from outside the track, smashing Lawsons wing) go unpenalized.

Two-tier stewarding?

Edit: just heard on F1TV Colapinto got a post-race penalty for the contact.

Edited by SenorSjon, 27 October 2024 - 22:00.

[PayasYouRace]

lol no. Finally the stewards did their job properly. Max was a menace today.

[Taxi]

It was Karma for Max. They did it to send him a message for the rest of the year. 

[PrinceBira]

What examples are there of a 10s penalty for running an attacker wide, but the attacker gets ahead?

Edited by PrinceBira, 27 October 2024 - 22:01.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

What a coward Max Verstappen is! He can't even drive wheel to wheel without crashing into someone.

[TomNokoe]

No. It is not just the definition of the moves, but the aggression and disregard.

[Hillen]

Well, since Verstappen had a target on his back, stewards (and Norris) made full use of it. Was the penalty 5s last race, suddenly it is 10s again.

First T4. Yes, Norris was forced off, but he still remained in front. So usually no penalty is given for that. The second one was the resulting red mist.

But, we've seen Perez and Lawson, Perez and Stroll (both Stroll and Lawson NOT gunning it straight!) and Colapinto vs Lawson (Colapinto came from outside the track, smashing Lawsons wing) go unpenalized.

Two-tier stewarding?

Edit: just heard on F1TV Colapinto got a post-race penalty for the contact.

There can be no red mist that results in one driver almost being put on the wall. You make it sound like it was just a casual thing, it’s not.

[SenorSjon]

lol no. Finally the stewards did their job properly. Max was a menace today.

20s was way too much. I would recon it as one incident, the one resulting into the other.

[jonklug]

Was always going to be targeted here after Austin but he should have been more measured. Also should have given the place back as it was overtaking off track, and he himself said this week that you can't do that and keep the position.

I think Max did a bit too much today but the first penalty is ultra harsh and done as retribution for Austin.

That is wrong.

[Myrvold]

What examples are there of a 10s penalty for running an attacker wide, but the attacker gets ahead?

 

How quick shall a driver give the spot back for it to not be "gets ahead" ?

[PayasYouRace]

20s was way too much. I would recon it as one incident, the one resulting into the other.

Two separate incidents. Nuff said.

[Myrvold]

20s was way too much. I would recon it as one incident, the one resulting into the other.

 

That's a bad precedent to set.

[ebc]

I agree the penalties were a bit harsh, but Max should have known he had a target on his back and raced accordingly.  He deserved a penalty for the first incident, maybe not 10 but he should have not given them the chance to give him a penalty.  The second incident was bizarre, looking forward to what he has to say about that.

[jacdaniel]

20 seconds was ridiculous of course. Everyone knows it.
The same incidents will continue to happen as you mention and get 5 sec penalties.

[TAFormula1]

Is this a serious thread?

Serious question

[baddog]

If anything the stewards underreacted to some other people. Max's penalties were 100% earned.

[Diablobb81]

The first penalty was harsh. Should have been 5 sec.

The second was more than justified.

Edited by Diablobb81, 27 October 2024 - 22:04.

[LolaB0860]

No

[jonklug]

Two separate incidents. Nuff said.

10 seconds for a bump? Since when has that been the standard? Suddenly retribution penalties and inconsistent penalties are OK because it's Max...

[Clrnc]

Stewards finally for once got everything right in the race after sleeping on their job in Austin

[Showty]

He can be thankful turn 8 penalty was only 10 seconds.

That was a pure act of rage.

5+20 would have been more accurate.

3 years late, though.

[Radman]

Max should have been black flagged

[TennisUK]

lol funny topic title.

He should have been black flagged. This was almost as risible a performance as Saudi 21.

A dreadful cheat.

[PrinceBira]

How quick shall a driver give the spot back for it to not be "gets ahead" ?

Youre saying Norris might have been thinking to give the place back?

[Marklar]

my sole complain is that the first penalty was too harsh and the 2nd too mild (though the next penalty from 10 seconds is a drive through). On average they gave him probably the correct penalty, but it's basically making two wrongs a right, which it really shouldn't be either.

[SCUDmissile]

Lol

[basimi]

They were both separate incidents. Especially turn 8 was desperate, but both warrant 5 seconds to be honest looking at penalties in previous races. Stewards probably were a bit influenced by all the fuss of last week that they lost consistency the other way around.

To be clear; last week were very much different in my opinion and did not warrant any penalty. Today it was in both cases.

[SCUDmissile]

About 8 years too late

[hayabusasc]

Two deserved penalties for someone who is wasting their talent driving so silly. He's better than that and just cracking a bit under the slightest of pressure.

Stewards hopefully will tighten up the rules and we can get back to proper racing rather than silly moves, the second from Max being far worse of the two.

[Diablobb81]

lol funny topic title.

He should have been black flagged. This was almost as risible a performance as Saudi 21.

A dreadful cheat.

The first was your run of the mill fight.

[BoDarvelle]

Max's moves today, especially the second one, were pretty ridiculous. He would have been smarter to flat take him out.

 

Saying that, watching the Mercs exceed track limits every time they went through turns two and three while they had their little battle shows me they enforce only what they want.

 

And no, they were not the only ones.

Edited by BoDarvelle, 27 October 2024 - 22:06.

[FirstnameLastname]

Max empowered by the stewards last time out

Herbert taking no prisoners in the stewards room. Good lad.

[Myrvold]

10 seconds for a bump? Since when has that been the standard? Suddenly retribution penalties and inconsistent penalties are OK because it's Max...

 

Since 2024.

Unless mitigating circumstances.

[Arska]

They didn't black flag Max so it's not overreacting.

[OleDK]

Finally, the same rules which are applied to other drivers were applied to Verstappen.

[BoDarvelle]

Two deserved penalties for someone who is wasting their talent driving so silly. He's better than that and just cracking a bit under the slightest of pressure.

Stewards hopefully will tighten up the rules and we can get back to proper racing rather than silly moves, the second from Max being far worse of the two.

 

Max isn't cracking under the pressure.

 

Frankly, that's hilarious.

[FLB]

About 8 years too late

Yup. Spain 2016.

[LolaB0860]

The first should've been 5 seconds, and the next one stop-and-hold-for-3-minutes

[Laptom]

No problem with a penalty, because this was a clear fault from him.

The problem is the crazy amount. Don't know who the Stewards were, but most likely an Australian or Brit?

[TennisUK]

10 seconds for a bump? Since when has that been the standard? Suddenly retribution penalties and inconsistent penalties are OK because it's Max...

Probably because of the context. This was obviously an intentional attempt not to defend, but to cheat.

Just utterly, completely and utterly ridiculously poor driving. I hope he gets a load of license endorsements for this too, as that was appalling.

[Laster]

I think Max's penalties were deserved, they weren't just a bad moves they were completely ridiculous. Lando was fully alongside and he still drives him right the way off the track. Second one he dives in and goes even further off track both times no consideration whatsoever for what the other driver has to do to avoid the incident.

The other incidents, Lawson - Perez, Perez didn't gain, I can't remember what happened with Perez and Stroll. Lawson - Colapinto, that was Lawson's fault, he ran Colapinto off track who again was fully alongside, and then failed to concede when Colapinto was already clearly ahead. He was not in a position to challenge when he was just leaving his front wing hanging in there.

[Myrvold]

Youre saying Norris might have been thinking to give the place back?

 

Who knows? It's not like we had time to find or, nor that every other driver giving the position back does it within 4 corners.

[DJH63]

Max's moves today, especially the second one, were pretty ridiculous. He would have been smarter to flat take him out.

 

As we saw at Silverstone in 2021, ‘sending a message’ and taking your rival out is only a 10 second penalty, so you’re completely right on that front

[Laptom]

Yup. Spain 2016.

What has he done wrong in Barcelona?

[KWSN - DSM]

Max had it coming, everyone knew that after drivers meeting and new rules effective last race of season, 1 penalty or 2, it can be argued but there were at least one, the real issue is the usual lag of consistency, either 5 or 10 seconds, do not make it different times at different races.

[Ben1980]

Magnussen has had 10 second penalties for less this season.

Can't see how anyone can really complain about them. Especially if you felt it was all fine ladt week.

[Risil]

Can we have a poll please

[Diablobb81]

Finally, the same rules which are applied to other drivers were applied to Verstappen.

Except all the other drivers who were not penalized today or got 5 seconds last race.

Stewards need to be consistent and not react with penalties. If they feel Max should have been punished last race they should have done it. Not give 20 seconds because he is under scrutiny.

Edited by Diablobb81, 27 October 2024 - 22:09.

[hayabusasc]

Max isn't cracking under the pressure.

Frankly, that's hilarious.

You can disagree but maybe keep it respectful?

He absolutely on that second incident lost his head. That is irrefutable in my opinion.

[Mc_Silver]

Max should have been disqualified from the race altogether. This kind of driving is incredibly dangerous. He deliberately wants to take out of his direct championship rival.