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[SophieB]

I know this is a small thing but why were the Ferrari drivers so mad at each other over the team radio?

[Jellyfishcake]

Honestly, don't know if this is only interesting because of 5Live Radio, but i'm really curious what caused it/happened 

[LolaB0860]

Why is this a thread is the bigger question

 

No, I don't mind 

Edited by LolaB0860, 27 October 2024 - 22:11.

[SophieB]

Why is this a thread is the bigger question

 

No, I don't mind 

They are free to start!

 

(Not everything needs to be life and death questions)

[Okyo]

Nothingburger. Heard them way more at it in the past and they got along well afterwards.

[balmybaldwin]

Why what happened? wasn't on the TV feed (apart from a message about leclerc pushing too hard)when I guess they were managing pace?

[MJB5990]

Carlos is a bit of a moaner, he reminds me a lot of George.

[SophieB]

Honestly, don't know if this is only interesting because of 5Live Radio, but i'm really curious what caused it/happened 

I know, right? 
 

For those who don’t listen to radio 5, Andrew Benson asked Ferrari on WhatsApp and apparently they always reply super quickly but they didn’t respond about this. 
 

[Garagista]

Nothingburger. Heard them way more at it in the past and they got along well afterwards.

And they were laughing and completely normal in the cooldown room.

[FLB]

There's been some argument in the Italian press (mainly Leo Turrini) who think Ferrari should have waited before announcing Hamilton, because the way they did has made Sainz a dead man walking for most of the season.

[SophieB]

Nothingburger. Heard them way more at it in the past and they got along well afterwards.

I just want to know!!

[Lurb]

The undercurrent has always been that Carlos considers himself as good as Leclerc but unfairly treated as #2, so he never seems to fully trust the team in radio comms, always suspecting they are plotting with Leclerc to engineer a swap.

[Risil]

There's been some argument in the Italian press (mainly Leo Turrini) who think Ferrari should have waited before announcing Hamilton, because the way they did has made Sainz a dead man walking for most of the season.

What is the logic here? At least Sainz had a whole year to make arrangements for 2025. Unless they meant Ferrari could've let Leclerc go instead.

[Arska]

I know this is a small thing but why were the Ferrari drivers so mad at each other over the team radio?

 

So what happened? Video link?

[SophieB]

So what happened? Video link?

We don’t know! Presumably something small but it’s weird that they sounded so irritable with each other to the extent they needed to be told to calm down but the tv director saw nothing.

[TecnoRacing]

Things seemed fine in the cooldown room, but indeed a little frosty immediately after getting out of the car

https://x.com/fiagir...658778644897981

[FLB]

Things seemed fine in the cooldown room, but indeed a little frosty immediately after getting out of the car

https://x.com/fiagir...658778644897981

I think that was more Leclerc not being happy with himself and wanting to keep his thoughts to himself.

[Garagista]

Things seemed fine in the cooldown room, but indeed a little frosty immediately after getting out of the car
https://x.com/fiagir...658778644897981

That seems misleading, Charles the first thing he did when he jumped out of the car was congratulate Sainz.

[WonderboyF1]

Close this. Absolute nonsense save it for Twitter.

[DeKnyff]

There's been some argument in the Italian press (mainly Leo Turrini) who think Ferrari should have waited before announcing Hamilton, because the way they did has made Sainz a dead man walking for most of the season.

 

(mainly Leo Turrini)

 

I stopped reading there.

[messy]

Immediately after the race when they walked past each other, Sainz seemed to look back as if to say ‘what’s wrong with him’, I noticed that. But I think it was Leclerc being frustrated with his own race, they were fine in the cooldown room.

[Anja]

Carlos is a bit of a moaner, he reminds me a lot of George.

 

They both seem to love playing the political/mental intrateam games. Alonso has worthy successors in that regard. 

[Mc_Silver]

Charles venting his frustration to the wrong person. He was nowhere near Sainz this weekend.

[SCUDmissile]

Will be DTS'd for sure

[JimmyClark]

What is the logic here? At least Sainz had a whole year to make arrangements for 2025. Unless they meant Ferrari could've let Leclerc go instead.

Ironically, had Carlos only been told in the last few months, there's a good chance he'd have been in a Red Bull rather than a Williams next year...

[SophieB]

This is the beef I was talking about. 
 

 
What was up with that?

[DW46]

Carlos daydreaming about some of those LeClerc pole laps from years gone by?

[Ferrari2183]

This is the beef I was talking about. 
 

 
What was up with that?

 

This happened early in the race when Leclerc was setting a fast pace before all the management business.

 

Sainz wants to race his teammate hard as happened in the Texas Sprint but when the roles are reversed he acts like a granny with a wet panty.

 

I can't wait to see the back of him.

[KWSN - DSM]

They both seem to love playing the political/mental intrateam games. Alonso has worthy successors in that regard. 

 

Eyes of the beholder, I am looking for less of that, not more.

 

On question of frostiness, there was Sainz early on complaining about Leclerc and what he was doing, there were the weird coldness from Leclerc right after the race, which I think is a more representative emotion as it is raw, straight from the car, once in the cool down, Leclerc can cool down and play the team game.

 

I think there is 'something', and that the 'something' is likely Leclerc being miffed he is not the automatic Alpha dog 4 races before Sainz leave for a competitor, odds are long bu Leclerc is still in with a chance of a WDC, had they switched position, Leclerc would have won the race, that would be a 9 point more in the standings, and in the current best car.

 

Him being miffed can be compartmentalized, and I think that is the gist of it.

[Wuzak]

Eyes of the beholder, I am looking for less of that, not more.

 

On question of frostiness, there was Sainz early on complaining about Leclerc and what he was doing, there were the weird coldness from Leclerc right after the race, which I think is a more representative emotion as it is raw, straight from the car, once in the cool down, Leclerc can cool down and play the team game.

 

I think there is 'something', and that the 'something' is likely Leclerc being miffed he is not the automatic Alpha dog 4 races before Sainz leave for a competitor, odds are long bu Leclerc is still in with a chance of a WDC, had they switched position, Leclerc would have won the race, that would be a 9 point more in the standings, and in the current best car.

 

Him being miffed can be compartmentalized, and I think that is the gist of it.

 

Or he could have been really disappointed with his weekend.

[garoidb]

Eyes of the beholder, I am looking for less of that, not more.

 

On question of frostiness, there was Sainz early on complaining about Leclerc and what he was doing, there were the weird coldness from Leclerc right after the race, which I think is a more representative emotion as it is raw, straight from the car, once in the cool down, Leclerc can cool down and play the team game.

 

I think there is 'something', and that the 'something' is likely Leclerc being miffed he is not the automatic Alpha dog 4 races before Sainz leave for a competitor, odds are long bu Leclerc is still in with a chance of a WDC, had they switched position, Leclerc would have won the race, that would be a 9 point more in the standings, and in the current best car.

 

Him being miffed can be compartmentalized, and I think that is the gist of it.

 

Teams don't really have the leverage to get someone who has already lost his seat to give up a win for the team*. Why would Carlos comply?

 

*In the last race, where it might be seen as decisive, they might. What they would gain in apparent magnanimity and team-spiritedness could be enough, and not doing it would come across as incredibly negative. However, for a long shot situation several races from the end of the season, I can't see any driver giving up a win. Oscar didn't, for example, and he wasn't asked to. And he's not being dropped from the team.

Edited by garoidb, 28 October 2024 - 09:04.

[KWSN - DSM]

Or he could have been really disappointed with his weekend.

 

That's how you see, I laid out how I do.

 

As I wrote in the Mercedes thread, teams maximize by maximizing - So far we are not looking at it, but we could end the season with Norris not winning the WDC through the non-called team orders in Hungary, this is a sport, this is about winning championships, there is no need to be nice towards the drivers, they are hired to race for the teams, Leclerc like Norris will most likely not be losing a WDC due to non-called team orders, but he could and that is a failure on the team already now.

 

Maximize

Maximize

Maximize

[Red5ive]

Think the reality has finally sunk in fro Sainz - despite his overly positive spin on his move he is going to a mid field team that has not shown it is on a particulary steep upward trajectory.

 

He is now fighting for the wins and against the team that has shown him the door. i Think his comments were really all about the fact he had shown he was faster than LeClerc and wanted/expected an easy run of it.  LeClerc was of course aware that Norris was a threat behind.

[KWSN - DSM]

Think the reality has finally sunk in fro Sainz - despite his overly positive spin on his move he is going to a mid field team that has not shown it is on a particulary steep upward trajectory.

 

He is now fighting for the wins and against the team that has shown him the door. i Think his comments were really all about the fact he had shown he was faster than LeClerc and wanted/expected an easy run of it.  LeClerc was of course aware that Norris was a threat behind.

 

Mid field seems an overly optimistic way to describe Williams place in the current pecking order.

[garoidb]

Think the reality has finally sunk in fro Sainz - despite his overly positive spin on his move he is going to a mid field team that has not shown it is on a particulary steep upward trajectory.

 

He is now fighting for the wins and against the team that has shown him the door. i Think his comments were really all about the fact he had shown he was faster than LeClerc and wanted/expected an easy run of it.  LeClerc was of course aware that Norris was a threat behind.

 

At the time he lost his seat, there were four decently competitive teams (including Ferrari) so three that wouldn't have seemed like a big step down. The fifth, AM, showed a bit more promise then as well. He didn't get a seat with any of them and most of them are now slipping in competitiveness anyway. Ferrari look like potential championship contenders next year. Losing that Ferrari seat when he did was probably a career destroying event. 

[catent]

Charles venting his frustration to the wrong person. He was nowhere near Sainz this weekend.

Leclerc qualified 4th, finished the race 3rd, and had the fastest lap ...

 

Sainz had his best weekend of the season, was class of the field, and deserves praise for his incredible race.

 

That, in no way, means Leclerc had a poor weekend or that he was "nowhere near" Sainz ... a 3rd place finish says Leclerc actually WAS somewhat near Sainz.

 

Leclerc has arguably been the best driver on the grid this season. Looking at the statistics, he's been extraordinarily consistent in terms of qualifying and race pace. The fact that his weekend in Mexico is being used (by some) to argue "see, he's not that great, Sainz is just as good, they let go of the wrong guy" is beyond absurd and actually goes to show just how good of a season Leclerc is having, that qualifying 4th and finishing 3rd is considered an 'off' weekend for him. 

 

Leclerc has every right to be frustrated with his own performance. He congratulated Carlos and was chatting in the cooldown room. 

Edited by catent, 28 October 2024 - 14:08.

[Nathan]

There's been some argument in the Italian press (mainly Leo Turrini) who think Ferrari should have waited before announcing Hamilton, because the way they did has made Sainz a dead man walking for most of the season.

 

Not negotiating in good faith during the first third of the season instead likely would have done the same.