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[southernstars]

Just someone that wants to see racing in raceable conditions. The sport is moving backwards in this regard, where it is less able to cope with a bit of rain that it could in the past.

 

If safety measures cannot be met, conditions are not raceable. It is really quite simple.

 

I cannot believe it is 2024 and I am having an argument over the medical helicopter requirements, as if this hasn't been a settled requirement for over forty-five goddamn years.

[southernstars]

I am assuming that Sao Paulo motorists will pull over and allow an ambulance with flashing lights and sirens through, but maybe they don't do it so readily there.

 

Do you watch races with your head in the sand? The level of traffic in Sao Paulo is so intense it took mechanics more than an hour to get out. You can't move over if there's nowhere to go.

[RaceBoyer]

If safety measures cannot be met, conditions are not raceable. It is really quite simple.

 

I cannot believe it is 2024 and I am having an argument over the medical helicopter requirements, as if this hasn't been a settled requirement for over forty-five goddamn years.

If the safety measures are too strict, that will lead to too many conditions that are not raceable, it is really quite simple.

 

It appears that we agree here in any case, I just prefer a bit more risk to be taken than you do.

[Pete_f1]

The change in start time is a bit awkward for my other sporting viewing pleasures but needs must.

[917k]

Just someone that wants to see racing in raceable conditions. The sport is moving backwards in this regard, where it is less able to cope with a bit of rain that it could in the past.

F1 cars could never manage aquaplanning across rivers….ever.

[southernstars]

If the safety measures are too strict, that will lead to too many conditions that are not raceable, it is really quite simple.

It appears that we agree here in any case, I just prefer a bit more risk to be taken than you do.

You know who else demands the medical helicopter? The drivers themselves. There were multiple dry, sunny sessions in the late 70s-80s that were delayed or cancelled because Prof. Watkins tipped off the drivers that the helicopter didn't arrive and guys like Niki Lauda or John Watson would then lead the others in refusing to drive.

I'm quite certain any of them would have some choice words about your cavalier attitude towards their safety.

[FirstnameLastname]

Too dangerous to do qualifying at 7:30am in the rain. I say they cancel immediately on safety grounds and set the grid using P1 times

It’s only fair.

I’m just thinking of the drivers safety

[TomNokoe]

07:30 local must be the earliest scheduled daytime session in my time watching F1

[PitViperRacing]

Too dangerous to do qualifying at 7:30am in the rain. I say they cancel immediately on safety grounds and set the grid using P1 times

It’s only fair.

I’m just thinking of the drivers safety

Lol

[917k]

Anyone know what the start time will be for someplace like southern Ontario? Can’t tell if TSN has actually updated their schedule.

Edited by 917k, 03 November 2024 - 03:05.

[Muppetmad]

I don't think it's been mentioned, so I'll say it here: qualifying was only scheduled to start so late because it's a sprint weekend. Without the sprint race, qualifying would have been earlier, and we'd have had no problems fitting it in. In more general terms, sprint weekends force qualifying sessions to be held later than they'd be held otherwise, and thus limit the sport's ability to react to bad weather.

[IceSpeed]

Anyone know what the start time will be for someplace like southern Ontario? Can’t tell if TSN has actually updated their schedule.

Qualy 5:30 am EST and race 10:30 am EST

[Flyingfinn]

07:30 local must be the earliest scheduled daytime session in my time watching F1

I think they're doing it to give themselves maximum time in the day to reschedule the timings if needed. However the forecast shows 100 percent rain at 7:30 am so I don't know what they will schedule.

[ajcrean]

If the safety measures are too strict, that will lead to too many conditions that are not raceable, it is really quite simple.

 

It appears that we agree here in any case, I just prefer a bit more risk to be taken than you do.

 

You're quite obviously very, very new to following F1 and my guess is you've previously not followed any motorsport series.   You can therefore be forgiven for your ignorance although it would be better if you learnt a little about the sport's safety history before coming into a forum and posting nonsense.

 

In my 40+ plus years of following numerous motorsport disciplines and working in the sport for years, I've seen far too many accidents claim the lives of drivers to share your cavalier attitude to safety.  What was considered permissible as far as risk and safety were concerned in the 50s/60s/70s is no longer acceptable to audiences and authorities in this day and age.  The revolution and progress of safety measures in the sport over the past few decades has been nothing short of remarkable.  I doubt you'd be able to find a single driver - past or present - who'd disagree with that or would support your glib suggestion that we shouldn't bother too much with ensuring racing is as safe as is realistically possible.

 

A number of users have pointed out the very good reasons as to why the medical helicopter is critical and why its operation can't be compromised.  You'd do well to carefully read their posts and learn from them...

[keshav]

What is the condition for 50% points?

[southernstars]

What is the condition for 50% points?

 

75% race distance, IIRC.

[JL14]

75% race distance, IIRC

That's full points

[acf69]

You're quite obviously very, very new to following F1 and my guess is you've previously not followed any motorsport series. You can therefore be forgiven for your ignorance although it would be better if you learnt a little about the sport's safety history before coming into a forum and posting nonsense.

In my 40+ plus years of following numerous motorsport disciplines and working in the sport for years, I've seen far too many accidents claim the lives of drivers to share your cavalier attitude to safety. What was considered permissible as far as risk and safety were concerned in the 50s/60s/70s is no longer acceptable to audiences and authorities in this day and age. The revolution and progress of safety measures in the sport over the past few decades has been nothing short of remarkable. I doubt you'd be able to find a single driver - past or present - who'd disagree with that or would support your glib suggestion that we shouldn't bother too much with ensuring racing is as safe as is realistically possible.

A number of users have pointed out the very good reasons as to why the medical helicopter is critical and why its operation can't be compromised. You'd do well to carefully read their posts and learn from them...

In all fairness to new followers, when you see a driver walking next to the track without a safetycar just so a certain team is not disadvantaged, it is not hard to understand why a helicopter is such a big deal

[TauriJ]

 

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Extremely unusual to see a grand prix start time moved earlier in the day, but absolutely the right decision given the weather forecast. Hopefully it's enough to avoid another Spa 2021 situation: https://x.com/racefansdotnet/status/1852832571094168036… #F1 #BrazilianGP #RaceFans

 

 

 

 

Agree with this. I feel bad for people who are locked into transport who might miss the start but it's good they are taking the initiative to maximise the chance of running as much of a race as possible.

 

I'm amazed that they did that. I wonder when was the last time it happened?

 

They didnt even bother to move race start time when typhoon was to hit Suzuka.

[Augurk]

Good job moving the race earlier. Normally their only tool in the toolbox is postponing, which always makes it worse. Let’s hope they get a full race in.

And if would be the most F1 thing ever to base the starting grid on times from free practice in a weekend they’ve already driven a qualifying session.

[ANF]

What is the condition for 50% points?

75% race distance: 25–18–15... pts
50% race distance: 19–14–12... pts
25% race distance: 13–10–8... pts
2 laps w/o SC/VSC: 6–4–3... pts
Less than 2 laps: no points

Edited by ANF, 03 November 2024 - 06:51.

[TheFish]

The weather forecast makes me think the best we'll see today is some recon laps by the safety car. Shame.

[TauriJ]

Updated forecast looks much better. No heavy rain, only light to moderate

[Flyingfinn]

Is the track still wet?

[TauriJ]

Is the track still wet?

Probably because its like 4AM there, but its not raining at the moment. Rain is heading for the circuit though.

[Nemo1965]

Hmm... die mis ik dan even.

Ieder grapje is een klapje.

I tried to maintain the rhyme in English. 😁😀

[Nemo1965]

Too dangerous to do qualifying at 7:30am in the rain. I say they cancel immediately on safety grounds and set the grid using P1 times

It’s only fair.

I’m just thinking of the drivers safety

I see what you did there… 😉

[Winterapfel]

Probably because its like 4AM there, but its not raining at the moment. Rain is heading for the circuit though.

What weather radar is the best to use for this area?

[Flyingfinn]

When there knew and Friday and Saturday were dry days the organisers should have preponed the events. This is just terrible planning.

[TauriJ]

What weather radar is the best to use for this area?

I'm using windy.com

Meteoblue is pretty good too, this weather guy uses it, seen him use Windy too.

 

https://x.com/Rodolf...807999024161119

[Flyingfinn]

I think they should cancel qualifying, allocate the grid based on sprint qualy and race straight away at 7:30 am

[jonklug]

75% race distance: 25–18–15... pts
50% race distance: 19–14–12... pts
25% race distance: 13–10–8... pts
2 laps w/o SC/VSC: 6–4–3... pts
Less than 2 laps: no points

It's between 2 laps and 25% distance where you get 6-4-3, between 25% and 50% where you get 13-10-8 etc

[FirstnameLastname]

I think they should cancel qualifying, allocate the grid based on sprint qualy and race straight away at 7:30 am

Cancel quali, use P1 for the grid. Apply all penalties and then run the race under the safety car.

[jonklug]

Cancel quali, use P1 for the grid. Apply all penalties and then run the race under the safety car.

Yea they won't use P1 when we've had competitive sessions since that.

[FirstnameLastname]

Yea they won't use P1 when we've had competitive sessions since that.

It’s the rules. We follow the rules!

[FirstnameLastname]

Pirelli complaining that they don’t have enough data/chance to test wet weather tyres, so that’s why they are so bad

Until the tyres are decent enough, have them cart 2 mile cars to races like Brazil, Spa, Silverstone - where there’s high chance of rain, and if the F1 cars are unable to run, send out some drivers on experimental wet tyres to get some data and try and get rid of this farcical curse on the championship

[jonklug]

It’s the rules. We follow the rules!

Every major outlet is saying that the rule isn't clear for a sprint weekend. It will be decided on the spot if they can't run a quali session.

[EndlessMotion]

Apparently the weather is a little better today but either way, the main thing is to plan ahead and make sure the race is run as a priority over qualifying obviously. We already have sprint qualifying to fall back on if it's looking difficult to get both qualifying and the race run.

 

Just give the fans something to watch and please don't miss the optimal conditions because you're waiting for intermediates and there to be a dry line forming before any cars have been allowed out of the pits

[Stephane]

The rule of using P1 is for the drivers not sitting a time in Q.

I don't know if applicable here as there was no q.


Rules don't say anything about cancelled Q

[sterlingfan2000]

It isn't even raining that much man, just don't he qualy.

[Mc_Silver]

As I said yesterday, organizers should focus on utilising race. Weather seems to be getting worse in the afternoon.

[Broekschaap]

You can go:

P1 if you follow the lines of 39.4b and think that is also applicable if there was no qualy at all

SQ if you think that a driver also is classified for the race if he qualified in the sprint qualifying

Championship order if you go with last years Spa precedent and next years regulations

Sprint result (and any other option) if you think it is up to the discretion of  the stewards

 

I don't think the regulations are very clear about it

[SophieB]

Race day, kids!
 

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