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[FirstnameLastname]

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FIA asks FOM to limit swearing (even in beeped out format) on broadcasts saying ‘they are drivers, not Rappers’

That’s their 10min YouTube ‘radio highlights’ video screwed then

‘Who’s this T*****?!?’
‘What a P****’
‘These ******* ***** ****** ***** ***** every time!!!’

And then they are all pals again in the paddock

[1player]

I loathe to say it but "nanny state"

The FIA should care about the racing, not what drivers say in the heat of the moment. The FOM/Liberty Media choose what to transmit on TV to suit whatever narrative they find interesting. First it was the Bono my tyres are gone, but angry driver radio always sells like shortcakes.

[PayasYouRace]

Fair enough. These are supposed to be professional radio communications, not the lads down the pub.

It’s not a good look, especially when most of what happened doesn’t warrant it.

[P123]

It's bleeped out anyway.  And Steiner is no longer there.  MBS would never have coped with JPM.  Not sure either were rappers.

 

The whining and campaigning for penalties of others is many times more irritating and unbecoming than bleeped out expletives.  The F1 version of footballs crowding the ref and gesticulating for a yellow card. 

[southernstars]

The whining and campaigning for penalties of others is many times more irritating and unbecoming than bleeped out expletives.  The F1 version of footballs crowding the ref and gesticulating for a yellow card. 

 

Yeah, Sainz's radio in Miami gave me far more second-hand embarrassment than any of the swearing this year.

[FirstnameLastname]

Mind the good old 90s where we didn’t hear any of the radio unless it was ‘leaked’ (98 Spa Damon vs Ralf for example)

[BRG]

I could really live happily without ever hearing another F1 radio conversation.  

 

The only radio link should be race director to car..  If the driver wants to tell the team something, he can gesticulate as he passes the pits.  If the team want to tell the driver something, put out a pit board.  It worked perfectly well like that for a century or so.

[pacificquay]

It's a conversation between team members, they can say what they like. The fact that they allow FOM to be privy to those to televise them doesn't mean they should change their behaviour.

 

No-one is saying they can't say what they like - Bin Sulayem just wants FOM not to broadcast it

[PayasYouRace]

It's a conversation between team members, they can say what they like. The fact that they allow FOM to be privy to those to televise them doesn't mean they should change their behaviour.

As far as I’m aware they don’t “allow” FOM access. It’s part of the rules that the radios are accessible to all. Previously the teams had encrypted radios.

It’s also very unprofessional to be swearing over the radio as part of your work. You certainly wouldn’t find that sort of thing in, say, maritime, aviation, broadcasting, police or military radio communications, to name a few.

[IrvTheSwerve]

No-one is saying they can't say what they like - Bin Sulayem just wants FOM not to broadcast it

 

If you read the article it's pretty clear that he wants less swearing over the radio, not just to stop broadcasting it.

 

As far as I’m aware they don’t “allow” FOM access. It’s part of the rules that the radios are accessible to all. Previously the teams had encrypted radios.

It’s also very unprofessional to be swearing over the radio as part of your work. You certainly wouldn’t find that sort of thing in, say, maritime, aviation, broadcasting, police or military radio communications, to name a few.

 

Come on, it's sport. I'm not saying it's not unsavoury but I don't think you can compare it to other professionals who use the radio daily for a living.

 

I've no problem with someone reacting with swear words if they've been run off the track or something similar. Anyway, it's all vetted and bleeped before it goes out to the public, which makes the whole debate a bit pointless IMO.

[LolaB0860]

Almost never is there anything worth listening in the team radio anyway so I don't care one way or another what they do

[Sterzo]

Almost never is there anything worth listening in the team radio anyway so I don't care one way or another what they do

Copy.

[Gary Davies]

On swearing. It can be an art form. Billy Connolly, for example, had it off to a tee. And who can forget the magnificence of Derek and Clive. Going further back, Alf Garnett was pretty darn good in full flight. 

But effective swearing is not for amateurs. Mostly, the use of profanities is the territory of those with limited arguing skills. With the exception of those specialists mentioned above, most swearing comes across as pitiful and plaintive. But always…. tacky. 
I’m not offended or outraged when F1 drivers let rip with swearing; I merely go  . 

I endorse Ben Sulayem’s call. 

About time the little dears behind the wheel grow up.

[PayasYouRace]

If you read the article it's pretty clear that he wants less swearing over the radio, not just to stop broadcasting it.


Come on, it's sport. I'm not saying it's not unsavoury but I don't think you can compare it to other professionals who use the radio daily for a living.

I've no problem with someone reacting with swear words if they've been run off the track or something similar. Anyway, it's all vetted and bleeped before it goes out to the public, which makes the whole debate a bit pointless IMO.

It’s a sport that has, for decades, taken immense pride in its professionalism and high standards. I don’t see why radio discipline should be an exception.

[PlatenGlass]

Arguably it spoils the mystique that they play these at all. I'm all for going back to enccrypted.

[MRX94]

Yeah, penalty begging is by far the worst aspect. Sainz in particular is a repeat offender in this regard. Massively embarrassing.
Generally I do like that we hear strategy calls now. Something as simple as a "box, box" call can inject some excitement into an otherwise boring race, and then there are things like the Ferrari "plans", which has become a meme in the community. Adds a bit of character to the teams and drivers, which is not a bad thing imo. I think swearing is also a part of that.

[Beri]

Fair enough. These are supposed to be professional radio communications, not the lads down the pub.
It’s not a good look, especially when most of what happened doesn’t warrant it.

Let alone being a role model of some sorts to kids. My kid genuinely asks what is being said during those radio messages. And when I get questions of what the beep is about, then I find myself at times struggling to hand a positive swing to it.

The drivers aren't kids. They should grow up in use of language. Or have the Admins/Hosts/Mods of this Forum in the FOM lairs of the TV broadcast to filter out the bad language used. Works wonders for this Forum.

[Taxi]

Good luck imposing that to Yuki. 

[PayasYouRace]

We might end up with the hilarious situation that if you want to transmit a secret message to your driver, just load it with swear words so FOM won’t broadcast it.

Best to enforce some actual standards.

[Taxi]

Neither Alonso. 

[catent]

MBS’ rappers analogy is distasteful at best, and potentially loaded with a lot of sociocultural (and arguably racial) undertones.

I am not entirely opposed to teams/drivers exercising more discipline and attempting to be more composed, limiting foul language via the radio, but imho that be left to teams/drivers to decide how best to communicate.

What if someone says a swear word perfectly calmly? What if someone says something genuinely hateful and nasty without a swear word? There’s a lot of grey area here.

I can’t speak to how other industries operate and I’d imagine a lot of it is culturally driven, so perhaps Europe is unique to the USA, but in the military, aviation, and potentially other sectors, occasional swearing (including via radio transmission) is not entirely unheard of.

Edited by catent, 19 September 2024 - 12:05.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

I agree with Max over his comments re 5/6yr olds and saying they'll swear eventually anyway (and let's be honest, most kids hear, and arguably say, worse things in the playground than 'crap' for example). For me the swearing on team radio (not that you see or hear it as they bleep it or star it out on the written version) is a total non issue

Also annoys me when commentators say sorry if you heard any bad language, or sorry for someone swearing. I know they have to, so they don't get into trouble, but if you don't want to hear bad language, then regardless of the sport, sport isn't for you.

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 19 September 2024 - 12:51.

[Barty]

Oh, for f..s sake. This is a very anglo-Saxon concern, swearing is natural and should not be bleeped at all.

[PayasYouRace]

Anglo-Saxon?

[IrvTheSwerve]

It’s a sport that has, for decades, taken immense pride in its professionalism and high standards. I don’t see why radio discipline should be an exception.

 

 

Let alone being a role model of some sorts to kids. My kid genuinely asks what is being said during those radio messages. And when I get questions of what the beep is about, then I find myself at times struggling to hand a positive swing to it.

The drivers aren't kids. They should grow up in use of language. Or have the Admins/Hosts/Mods of this Forum in the FOM lairs of the TV broadcast to filter out the bad language used. Works wonders for this Forum.

 

It's high tension, it's life. Swearing is unfortunately part of it. Do we suggest imposing fines/points for this? Impulsive swearing will never stop in sport.

 

If there's a beep, there's no issue. Kids are well aware that there are 'naughty words' from a very young age and you don't have to go any further than that with an explanation.

 

The only thing that I felt was a bit below the belt was Vettel's '**** you, Charlie' rant - which is akin to swearing at the referee. Now, I can understand penalising that to some extent.

[IrvTheSwerve]

We might end up with the hilarious situation that if you want to transmit a secret message to your driver, just load it with swear words so FOM won’t broadcast it.

Best to enforce some actual standards.

 

'Lewis, f*** 1 to s**t 5...' 

[Risil]

Anglo-Saxon?

They wouldn't have been swearing in Lindisfarne, I'm fairly confident about that

[IrvTheSwerve]

On a side note, it would be nice if Sky Q viewers had the option to have the uncensored feed on red button... 

Edited by IrvTheSwerve, 19 September 2024 - 14:47.

[IrvTheSwerve]

I know we do get a lot more radio snippets in the broadcast than in the past, but I do feel the swearing has got a lot worse in recent years.

I can't imagine Schumacher or Hakkinen, Damon Hill, Herbert etc swearing like today's nut cases. Hamilton also doesn't swear much.

 

Yeah they used to physically tussle back then instead... 

[MurMur80]

Weakest excuse to impose this is "think of the kids". Kids begin to swear like when they are 6 years old. Does anyone remember why South Park was made in the first place? 

[Barty]

Anglo-Saxon?

 

Yes. I'll stick my tongue out and claim that it is only an issue in English-speaking countries, and not because all (most) F1 radio communication is in English.

[PayasYouRace]

Yes. I'll stick my tongue out and claim that it is only an issue in English-speaking countries, and not because all (most) F1 radio communication is in English.

Perhaps the word you wanted was “Anglophone”.

Am am intrigued by the idea that no other languages have swear words though.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Perhaps the word you wanted was “Anglophone”.

Am am intrigued by the idea that no other languages have swear words though.

 

Swear words in other languages are often the first thing people learn! 

[ckolcz]

Embarrassing attempt to make everything and everyone as sterile as possible.

Also the racial card being played by some on here and Hamilton as well is shameful. I heard black, white and asian rappers swear. How is there racial undertone in MBS's claims?

[Whatisvalis]

How is there racial undertone in MBS's claims?

It’s pretty ****ing obvious.

[FLB]

Am am intrigued by the idea that no other languages have swear words though.

They do. But as exemple, I'll say that it's a cultural thing. You'll find videos of Dutch F1 commentators using the F-word. for instance. Or here in Québec, on the radio, it's a complete non-issue, even if everybody knows what the F-word means in English.

[jonpollak]

FOM should make a rule that drivers can only swear in their native tongue.

Jp

[FNG]

I'm always amused at people or organizations getting all upset about swearing on TV. The news constantly broadcasts violence, war, images of dead bodies etc but OMG swearing. Laughable

[Barty]

Am am intrigued by the idea that no other languages have swear words though

 

Of course they do. Noone cares if they are used, they do not need to be censored.

[ANF]

"I'M UPSET"

[Muppetmad]

When YouTube started demonetising an especially famous Irish YouTuber's videos for swearing too much, he decided to turn "YouTube" into a swear word itself in protest. I feel like it'd be a great troll if the entire grid did the same, saying things like "what the FIA did he just do?", or "this is FIA-ing ridiculous!" on the radio.

[FLB]

FOM should make a rule that drivers can only swear in their native tongue.

Jp

This whole thing has made me regret even MORE that Dario never made it to F1 other than as a test driver. I'm still blushing from the time I had him on a rented scanner at Richmond in 2005...   

[RekF1]

Fair enough. These are supposed to be professional radio communications, not the lads down the pub.
It’s not a good look, especially when most of what happened doesn’t warrant it.

I don't hear a naughty word and think "rapper" tho. I think he's a misogynistic reactionary prick.

[PayasYouRace]

They do. But as exemple, I'll say that it's a cultural thing. You'll find videos of Dutch F1 commentators using the F-word. for instance. Or here in Québec, on the radio, it's a complete non-issue, even if everybody knows what the F-word means in English.

I feel very honoured to speak a language that has such a thing as polite and professional conversation then.

[Acathla]

So...  Yuki is King **** of **** Mountain. 

Edited by Acathla, 19 September 2024 - 19:19.

[mclarensmps]

If the FIA wants to stop the swearing, they should talk to the broadcasters to stop airing it (even though I disagree with that). Don't force drivers and teams into changing their behavior in the heat of the moment. That's an absurd take. 

[BobbyRicky]

As far as I’m aware they don’t “allow” FOM access. It’s part of the rules that the radios are accessible to all. Previously the teams had encrypted radios.

It’s also very unprofessional to be swearing over the radio as part of your work. You certainly wouldn’t find that sort of thing in, say, maritime, aviation, broadcasting, police or military radio communications, to name a few.

If you believe that athletes swearing is unprofessional then i think sports might not be the thing for you.

[Beri]

Perhaps the word you wanted was “Anglophone”.

Am am intrigued by the idea that no other languages have swear words though.

 

In the Netherlands; come up with any disease, shout the disease to the person that you are swearing too and add "lijer" (slang for sufferer) behind said disease, and youre done.

[jonpollak]

I feel very honoured to speak a language that has such a thing as polite and professional conversation then.

Is that Greek?

I've heard that Stirling Moss had a long held repution for being the greatest "bringer of the blue air" any sporting endeavor had ever seen?

 

I hope it's true.

Along with all the crumpet he bedded.

 

Jp

[F1 Mike]

Is that Greek?
I've heard that Stirling Moss had a long held repution for being the greatest "bringer of the blue air" any sporting endeavor had ever seen?

I hope it's true.
Along with all the crumpet he bedded.

Jp

All the crumpet he would wave at during a grand prix in Monaco ! What a legend