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[thegamer23]

Bagnaia testing team radio comunications

[Stoffel]

Only testing but Honda's new test rider Aleix quicker than both factory riders first time on the bike...

 

The bike hasn't tried to kill him, yet.

[DS27]

The bike hasn't tried to kill him, yet.

 

 

I don't know; he has done 50 laps. That's about 6 race distances for Mir, so surely it must have tried to kill him once or twice.

[thegamer23]

That's it for testing!!

Temperature dropped quite a bit in the afternoon, so not a lot of action in the last hour.
Lots of different kind of work going on even between team-mates, so hard to read too much into the times.

 

Talking about the top riders:

Martin looks a bit on the ragged edge on the Aprilia compared to his smooth riding in Ducati, think there's some work to do, even though he seems happy about the feeling of it.
Marquez worked in the morning with the GP25, different kind of runs, before switching to the GP24 later in the afternoon to set his best time with new tyres.
Bagnaia tried lots of different things: GP24 with new brakes by Brembo, GP24 chassis with GP25 engine and some work with used tyres on the GP25 too.

 

Next stop: end of January with the Sepang Test. 

 

Happy Holydays MotoGP riders! 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by thegamer23, 19 November 2024 - 16:24.

[Pete_f1]

That struck me as strange the way it just went down the way it did

[Nova]

Marc again with the best testing livery. The red on red is stunning. Like the devil riding motoGP.

 

 

Honda ..... Honda on the other hand.

 

 

Joan Mir admitted that he was "angry" with Honda after Tuesday's MotoGP test in Barcelona, as the Japanese manufacturer failed to bring any new upgrades to the beleaguered RC213V.

With Honda ending the season at the bottom of the manufacturers' championship and 49 points behind its nearest rival Yamaha, expectations were high from HRC during the all-important end-of-season test in Spain.

But while Yamaha brought both a new chassis and a new engine to try, Mir revealed that the parts he was testing on his bike were not new, as he had already tried them in previous races or private tests.

This left him with a bleak output for 2025, as he even questioned the point of Honda appearing for the Barcelona test.

 

 

https://www.motorspo...angry/10674411/

 

What is happening?

 

Looks like every time the riders talk about future tests, they all say "we do not know what is coming, but hope ....". Are there no talks between the riders and the development team? Is somethign coming or is this the best they can do at the moment?

[Nova]

On the official site Mir did some corporate speak.

 

 

“As a rider, always you want to try more things and go faster. We did what we had to do today and confirmed a few things that we had tried before, I hope it clears up the direction for Honda HRC engineers over the winter. There is still more speed to find and I hope that we can work well over the winter to be able to start next year very well. The important thing is to work as much as possible as early as possible to continue the progress we made during this year.”

 

https://motogp.honda...d-in-barcelona/

[Kulturen]

I also don't understand this. Today it was mentioned a lot about how Honda is bringing even what could be a "new bike" in a few days at Jerez? And then as you say the riders make comments like they haven't been told this. It's pretty confusing.

[Risil]

Indeed... And that is the bare minimum of corporate speak from Mir!

[Kulturen]

Marc again with the best testing livery.

 

I've got to say, one thing is for certain. Marc employs some freaking proper professional designers for his stuff. Good ones. The stuff they come out with is not some kid in a back room on photoshop.

[Kulturen]

The stuff coming out about the Ducati are very, dare I say, ominous.

• The tech about the new chassis Simon talked about
• Didn't take part in the start practice session at the end as they didn't want the others taking too close look at their launch tech
• Marc said he and Pecco had similar comments
• Right at the end Simon mentioned that at Sepang they will bring a new and quite different aero package

[thegamer23]

Some info ducati side i gathered from hearing Pirro, marquez and bagnaia post test interviews.

The GP25 seems to be "promising" and "bit easier to handle" but at the moment still a lot of work is needed to make it clearly better than the GP24.

The gap between GP24 and 25 is set to be quite smaller, at least initially, compared to the 23 vs 24 gap.
We could see the GP24 riders being very competitive in the first half of the season.

Also, seems that Marquez and Bagnaia's feedback was "almost identical", to the point it felt it was coming from the same person.

This means the riders should push the development in the same direction rather than taking two different roads.

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Edited by thegamer23, 19 November 2024 - 21:47.

[Kulturen]

I think the reason Ducati had a lot to test today is because they are working on the details. They are the only team that is doing an evolution and is not chasing a big step.

 

The GP24 to 25 performance leap is simply going back to normal. The 23 to 24 one was big because they "messed up" a bit with the 23 (they've talked about how they went "too far" with some things which messed up front end feel) to the point it was often barely better if at all than the 22.  

[Nova]

 

The stuff coming out about the Ducati are very, dare I say, ominous.

• The tech about the new chassis Simon talked about
• Didn't take part in the start practice session at the end as they didn't want the others taking too close look at their launch tech
• Marc said he and Pecco had similar comments
• Right at the end Simon mentioned that at Sepang they will bring a new and quite different aero package

 

 

 

For me that was kind of a given, perhaps not to that extent, but Ducati really pulled away this year and I expect that to continue next year. They also seem to be very innovative, even with the best bike they continue to out think and out develop the other manufacturers.

 

Not easy to build a team to counter that short term.

[Kulturen]

I mean yeah Ducati is simply technologically the most advanced. You can't just snap your fingers and close that gap. And it came through years of committing to constant innovation (of course Ducati didn't come from nowhere and neither are they small budget it should be noted). Honda did the opposite...completely stopped innovating to the point they have forgotten how that works and are many years behind.

 

Speaking of launch devices, comparing some practice starts Martin and Bezzecchi did to one I saw Marc do and holy hell. No wonder Martin would launch like out of a cannon while the Aprilias always went backwards at the satrts. The Aprilias today looked like they were launching in slow motion in comparison. You've got to fix this Aprilia cause DAMN. 

[Kulturen]

Ducati was also in general by far the most "secretive" manufacturer today if you can call it that...I think they were also they only ones to not have someone interviewed on air (not including Diggia). 

Edited by Kulturen, 19 November 2024 - 21:46.

[highdownforce]

Ducati was also in general by far the most "secretive" manufacturer today if you can call it that...I think they were also they only ones to not have someone interviewed on air (not including Diggia).

MM gave interviews post test

[Disgrace]

One should know better than to get one's hopes up with this guy, but Vinales does appear to like the KTM...

[messy]

Vinales would be a multiple World Champion if it was based off pre-sesson testing!

[thegamer23]

KTM really going extreme with their front end design

 

 

Edited by thegamer23, Yesterday, 09:07.

[P0inters]

Just when you think they couldn’t possibly get any uglier they find a way. 

[thegamer23]

Quite different opinions in the honda garage

 

Mir: "Honda brought nothing new, i expected much more"
https://www.gpone.co...-much-more.html

 

Marini: "Mir? Thrutfully, i had a completely new Honda"
https://www.gpone.co...-new-honda.html

 

 

 

Edited by thegamer23, Yesterday, 12:40.

[P0inters]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t want to give him new parts fearing he’d crash so they just didn’t tell him.

[JL14]

Bagnaia says the GP25 is already a huge improvement and they don't need much in Malaysia, though there are area's where the GP25 is still better like braking. But that just needs work on the setting.

 

Yahama exceeded their expectations and both the engineers and drivers are happy that all 3 things testet (chassis, aero and a slightly updated engine) all brought improvements, both visible in data and from the driver's feelings. Quartararo beat his qualifying time without doing a proper time attak (9kg of fuel in instead of 3kg).

[messy]

A strong Yamaha is much needed for the sport so that sounds really encouraging, but we've seen false dawns before!

[P0inters]

Yeah Fabio is too good to be dawdling around in 12th. I really hope Yamaha can at least build a bike capable of competing for the odd podium on pace. They definitely made some improvements in the 2nd half of last year so let’s hope they keep it up.

[highdownforce]

KTM really going extreme with their front end design

KTM has brought many different parts for this test.

https://i.ibb.co/30B...Hi-Res-jpg.webp
https://i.ibb.co/5vt...Hi-Res-jpg.webp

[ARTGP]

I think the reason Ducati had a lot to test today is because they are working on the details. They are the only team that is doing an evolution and is not chasing a big step.

 

The GP24 to 25 performance leap is simply going back to normal. The 23 to 24 one was big because they "messed up" a bit with the 23 (they've talked about how they went "too far" with some things which messed up front end feel) to the point it was often barely better if at all than the 22.  

 

Simon is lying (so Dorna doesn't hobble them). Bagnaia said it's a big step. 

 

 

 

“Already the difference between '24 and '25 is quite huge and I think we will not have a big step for Malaysia [test in February] because the step [forward] was already here.

Bagnaia: New Ducati GP25 a “huge” step forward from 2024 MotoGP bike

Edited by ARTGP, Yesterday, 18:34.

[thegamer23]

He sounded bit less enthusiastic in the italian interview with Sky Sport MotoGP.

His english isn't perfect, so not sure if that "huge" have to be taken literal tbh

 

He said that the potential is good, but the 25 is still there or therabout with the 24 at the moment: better in the fast corners but worse in braking

They have to work quite a bit to get the maximum out of it.

 

Pirro and Dall'Igna also pointed out that this bike is going to be a minor step forward compared to the 23 vs 24 leap.

Edited by thegamer23, Yesterday, 18:44.