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[DS27]

Even though they are down to six bikes this year, Ducati are not far off double the points of all the other manufacturers added together. 

 

Miller is a strange one, and no one really expected him to outperform the factory riders. I'm wondering if it's not so much a reflection on Fabio and Alex, but more that Pramac are somehow doing a better job than the factory team in setting up the bike.

[Broekschaap]

So i looked at it again and I think I understand now what he was trying to achieve. 

 

Marc knew that if he would change bike after the 3 minute board he would get a drive through penalty according to the regulations. But if he would change before the 3 minute board he would not get one. So he tried to change last second so he would not get the drive through but his late reacting rivals (if) would get it.

[manmower]

So i looked at it again and I think I understand now what he was trying to achieve. 

 

Marc knew that if he would change bike after the 3 minute board he would get a drive through penalty according to the regulations. But if he would change before the 3 minute board he would not get one. So he tried to change last second so he would not get the drive through but his late reacting rivals (if) would get it.

Interesting, I feel a lot of observers failed to explain or even ask themselves why he cut it so close and sprinted if the plan was to trigger everyone all along, and this would explain it.

[JRodrigues]

He said that 7 minutes before the start he asked the team if it was too late to change tires and they said yes. So they talked about doing it 2 minutes before to try and trigger everyone to do the same and delay the start. And so they did.

[thegamer23]

The iconic "run" moment

 

https://www.reddit.c...nt=share_button

 

Edited by thegamer23, Yesterday, 11:45.

[highdownforce]

Even though they are down to six bikes this year, Ducati are not far off double the points of all the other manufacturers added together.

Miller is a strange one, and no one really expected him to outperform the factory riders. I'm wondering if it's not so much a reflection on Fabio and Alex, but more that Pramac are somehow doing a better job than the factory team in setting up the bike.

Miller finished ahead of Quartararo on all of the three main races !!!

[Broekschaap]

He said that 7 minutes before the start he asked the team if it was too late to change tires and they said yes. So they talked about doing it 2 minutes before to try and trigger everyone to do the same and delay the start. And so they did.

But he did start running just before the 3-minute signal? Did he explain why he did leave it to that moment? It is not the most logic moment if you want others to follow you. I know mine is just a theory, but at least it is one that explains why he left at the last second.

[manmower]

But he did start running just before the 3-minute signal? Did he explain why he did leave it to that moment? It is not the most logic moment if you want others to follow you. I know mine is just a theory, but at least it is one that explains why he left at the last second.

Don't doubt the genius, don't ask difficult questions, at least not until you've recorded hours of podcasts first.

[manmower]

Unmissable: watch Marc Marquez decide on his grid gamble - and decide wrong

 

"I really know the rules"

[Broekschaap]

Thanks, very interesting watch. I however have my doubts about the explaination of the regulations by the race director. In my opinion he is explaining what the rule is after the 3 minute signal is given. And not how it works when the driver leaves the grid before the 3 minute signal is given. And who started running just before that?

 

This is what is in the regulations

All adjustments must be completed by the display of the 3-Minute board.
After this board is displayed, riders who still wish to make adjustments must
push their machine to the pit lane. Such riders and their machines must
be clear of the grid and in the pit lane before the display of the 1-Minute
board, where they may continue to make adjustments, or change machine
in MotoGP only. Such riders will start the warm up lap from the pit lane and
will start the race from the back of the grid, provided that, in the MotoGP
class only, weather-related tyre changes are not made.
Such MotoGP riders who make any weather-related tyre change (rain to
slick or vice versa, front or rear or both) at this time, compared to their tyres
when leaving the grid (if the same machine is used to start the race) or
compared to their tyres used on their final exit for the sighting lap (when
a different machine is used to start the race), will start the warm up lap
from pit lane, take their qualifying grid position and serve a ride through
penalty when instructed by Race Direction (usually within the first 3 laps of
the race).

 

Edit: Oh and I still think for it to work Marc should have pushed his bike of the grid before the 3 minute signal and not leave it with the mechanics. So from the perspective he didn't the race director was right

Edited by Broekschaap, Yesterday, 15:34.

[ehagar]

So.... the rule states that more than 10 riders vacate the grid, a ride thru penalty does not apply.

 

According to Simon Patterson, the number was... 9.

 

Hmmm.... is that true?

[registered]

A this point I think the start was delayed because of the mess of the too late deciders especially Vinales and mechanics pushing his bike back into the grid.

[Broekschaap]

Don't know about the number 9. But the rule is not about how many drivers leave the grid, but about how many drivers start the race from the pit. And they only had to start the warm up lap from the pit but the race from the grid.

[sportyskells]

So.... the rule states that more than 10 riders vacate the grid, a ride thru penalty does not apply.
i was told 11 so a bit confusing on that one
According to Simon Patterson, the number was... 9.

Hmmm.... is that true?

[Broekschaap]

From the regulations:

 

In the interests of safety, when more than 10 riders will start the race from
pit lane exit, the start will be delayed and a new start procedure will take
place (Quick Start).

 

If less than 11 riders will start the race from pit lane exit, they will follow the
Pit Lane Race Start Protocol:

[Analog]

The decent thing would have been put them all back on the grid with the tires they had before they ran away. 

[Chubby_Deuce]

https://motomatters...._up_part_1.html

[Disgrace]

It seems insane to me that they let Vinales run onto the circuit without his bike.