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#1 Bob Riebe

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Posted 27 November 2024 - 07:11

I had thought about putting this in the tech. area but as it is a 60 some years old article, I put it here.

 

This article from Cycle World :

Harley-Davidson Kr-Tt & Sprint Cr-Tt

 

https://magazine.cyc...tt-sprint-cr-tt

 

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A curious item; in another site where they spoke of taking the KR engine to Axtell for head work, in 1967, he took one of his engines , removed the Tillotsen, carbs., put on two Mikuni and got a 3hp increase.

After Axtel's work, they got 60 some HP, at the rear tire, out of the engine.


Edited by Bob Riebe, 27 November 2024 - 18:54.


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#2 GregThomas

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Posted 27 November 2024 - 17:37

I think you're getting the KR and the CR mixed up. KR 750 peaks around 7500. CR 250 can go to 10500.

 

The CRTT was based on the Italian Aermacchi 250/350 single family. I've built quite a few of those for modern Classic racing.

It's fairly simple to upgrade the HD Sprint engine to CR performance levels. They're a well designed pushrod OHV single.

Interestingly they're quite sensitive to stroke length - ie piston speed.  The 250's used at least 3 different strokes and the 350's 2.

The valve train is the same all the way through and with modern springs/Ti retainers is stable to very high rpm.

But while the short stroke 250's will go to 10500rpm, the 80mm stroke 350 is reluctant to go past 8500/9000 rpm.


Edited by GregThomas, 27 November 2024 - 18:37.


#3 Bob Riebe

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Posted 27 November 2024 - 18:52

You are correct, my error, I had forgotten about the 4 stroke Aermacchi.

I remember the 2 stroke bikes, so when I read valves I some how assumed this was a flat-head.

 

Sad when as time goes by you forget more than you remember. :(

 

This way the thread title will get more people looking. :smoking:

Thank you.


Edited by Bob Riebe, 19 December 2024 - 19:57.


#4 Bob Riebe

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Posted 19 December 2024 - 01:07

https://www.mecum.co...rtt-road-racer/

 

https://images.mecum...8/735060_1.jpg?

 

This is a KRTT built for an independant racer, who never raced it.

The rear foot-peg was installed incorrectly or the rider likes the smell of burnt rubber.

This is for sale at the Mecum auction, which after looking I think has a lot of very rare early racing/street  motorcycles. I wonder if some of those are not being flipped from the Auction of the closed National Motorcycle Museum in Amarosa , Iowa.

 

I wonder how many more HP they could get out of KRTT engine using CFD software, and modern carbs.

735060_1.jpg?

 

 

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Edited by Bob Riebe, 19 December 2024 - 19:58.


#5 GregThomas

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Posted 19 December 2024 - 19:34

The last works bikes used dual Mikuni VM38 carbs. Still pretty much state of the art for slide carbs.

 

While i agree CFD may show a possible improvement, these things were developed for so long that pretty well 

everything you can imagine was tried.

 

I've read 66-68 Hp at the crank. Which isn't bad for a flathead.

 

I'd happily have that one.