Just an idea:
To adoid startline pile-ups due to stalling why not give the drivers the power to stop the starting procedure. By putting a button on the wheel the light sequence can easily be stopped if the engine dies. The usual back of the grid rule would have to apply and in-proper use would result in race banning.
Stalling - Crashes
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castle
, May 31 2001 12:34
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Posted 31 May 2001 - 12:37
I think with all those new electronic gizmos they already have enough buttons on their steering wheels...
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Posted 31 May 2001 - 13:05
When a drivers signals a problem before the start, the start is usually (always?) aborted. The problem is that most stalls happen directly before or at the moment the lights go out.
No button is going to stop the other drivers in that case.
Besides the point that implementation would be a pain both technically and for the drivers / teams, it wouldn't make a difference.
No button is going to stop the other drivers in that case.
Besides the point that implementation would be a pain both technically and for the drivers / teams, it wouldn't make a difference.
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Posted 31 May 2001 - 15:15
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mosquito
[B]When a drivers signals a problem before the start, the start is usually (always?) aborted. The problem is that most stalls happen directly before or at the moment the lights go out.
No button is going to stop the other drivers in that case.
Everyone seems to think that if the light sequence is almost complete the start cannot be stopped. If you look at any videos of France '98 Verstappen stalls and the aborted signal clearly comes on even though the lights have gone out. In this instance the cars had already begun accelerating, it is possible to abandon the start at the last moment.
I think it would be of huge benifit to the drivers. It is very difficult for Charlie Whiting to spot any problems on the grid especially if the driver decides not to wave and no problem is apparent from outside. At least with this method any driver in trouble can easily signal and avoid being slammed into from behind.
[B]When a drivers signals a problem before the start, the start is usually (always?) aborted. The problem is that most stalls happen directly before or at the moment the lights go out.
No button is going to stop the other drivers in that case.
Everyone seems to think that if the light sequence is almost complete the start cannot be stopped. If you look at any videos of France '98 Verstappen stalls and the aborted signal clearly comes on even though the lights have gone out. In this instance the cars had already begun accelerating, it is possible to abandon the start at the last moment.
I think it would be of huge benifit to the drivers. It is very difficult for Charlie Whiting to spot any problems on the grid especially if the driver decides not to wave and no problem is apparent from outside. At least with this method any driver in trouble can easily signal and avoid being slammed into from behind.
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Posted 31 May 2001 - 16:22
castle, I think a driver could much faster waves his hands (in panic if needed ;)) than search for the button on his steering wheel and press it.
There are marshalls watching each individual car with warning flags who immediately wave them if the drivers displays any signal or if he fails to leave the grid.
I think it's a nice idea, but in practice it just doesn't work and only creates other problems. Please also note that this system should work flawless else there's gonna be NO warning if it fails, or messy starts and delays if it goes off without reason.
There are marshalls watching each individual car with warning flags who immediately wave them if the drivers displays any signal or if he fails to leave the grid.
I think it's a nice idea, but in practice it just doesn't work and only creates other problems. Please also note that this system should work flawless else there's gonna be NO warning if it fails, or messy starts and delays if it goes off without reason.
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Posted 31 May 2001 - 16:50
Originally posted by Mosquito
When a drivers signals a problem before the start, the start is usually (always?) aborted. The problem is that most stalls happen directly before or at the moment the lights go out.
No button is going to stop the other drivers in that case.
Just have a button in each cockpit, which, when pressed, signals a central transmitter, which in turn sends a "kill engine" signal to all the other cars...
In fact get rid of the buttons altogether. A central computer determines from a watchodg signal on each car, that all cars are running properly. If one fails on the start grid stop all cars.
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Posted 31 May 2001 - 19:52
I agree it will create problems, but surely there has to be another means of preventing the cahos caused by a stalled car. The FIA should design a standard system to be implimented into every car to prevent any problems or delays.
In awnser to the one about too many buttons there must be a way for the car to automaticly detect a stall and send off a warning signal to the race director so that he can take appropriate action, this would prevent the huge accidents such as Imola 1994 [Pedro Lamy crashed into stalled JJ Lehto]
In awnser to the one about too many buttons there must be a way for the car to automaticly detect a stall and send off a warning signal to the race director so that he can take appropriate action, this would prevent the huge accidents such as Imola 1994 [Pedro Lamy crashed into stalled JJ Lehto]
