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[Rupertlt1]

Castle Combe, Bristol MC & LCC, Motor Cycle and Car Race Meeting, Saturday 12th May 1951

CLASS A. Ten-Lap Race for Sports Cars up to 1,100 c.c. or Super Sports Cars up to 850 c.c.

No. Entrant Car Capacity

92. A. GUALTIERI, AUSTIN, 748

(Res. Driver : J. D. Gwynne)

1. J. M. SPARROWE, MORGAN, 1098

2. J. MOFFAT, M.G., 939

3. D. LLEWELLYN JONES, ALTA, 1074

4. R. A. SPIERS, FIAT, 1100

5. D. C. BISHOP, M.G., 847 S

6. W. LLOYD EDWARDS, FORD, 1098

7. H. E. ROBERTS, ROBROS, 999

94. M. ALLEN, LOTUS, 747 

81. A.C.B. CHAPMAN, LOTUS, 747

8. E. H. HEATH, M.G., 1086

9. J. M. HAWTHORN, RILEY, 1089

10. G. S. WEBER, RILEY, 1087

11. E. M. ALLEN, AUSTIN, 747 S

 

CLASS F. Ten-Lap Race for 750 c.c. Cars to the requirements of the 750 Club Standards.

No. Entrant Car Capacity

81. A.C.B. CHAPMAN, LOTUS, 747

82. D. V. CROSS, AUSTIN, 747

(Driver: P.E. Collier)

83. R. H. GRIMSLEY, AUSTIN, 747

84. K. S. JEFFERY, AUSTIN, 750

85. G. B. H. REES, AUSTIN, 747

86. D. E. BALDWIN, AUSTIN, 747

87. J. PEATFIELD, AUSTIN, 748

88. M. EDGE, AUSTIN, 747

89. L. WEST, 750 WEST SPECIAL (AUSTIN), 747

90. D. E. LINCOLN, AUSTIN, 749

91. R. PEARCE, AUSTIN, 750

92. A. GUALTIERI, AUSTIN, 748

(Res. Driver: J. D. Gwynne)

94. M. ALLEN, LOTUS, 747

95. C.B. CORNER, AUSTIN, 747

96. R. H. WINSLADE, AUSTIN, 746

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 10 December 2024 - 04:52.

[Manfred Cubenoggin]

Interesting to see Chunky's name in the listings.

[68targa]

Interesting to see Chunky's name in the listings.

This would be with LMU3 the Lotus Austin MkIII -  he won his race.  Note also a future World Champion lurking in the entry for sports cars.

[dolomite]

I wonder what Lotus was Michael Allen driving - I thought LMU3 was the only MkIII completed in 1951. Or was this a speculative entry for a second car that never appeared?

[Rupertlt1]

The Robros was a trials car, widely campaigned in the south-west.

The product of H. E. Roberts and R. S. Roberts.

There were perhaps two — an 1,172 and a 999 c.c. (sometimes 993 c.c., 933 c.c.)

The car here is the short-wheelbase 999 c.c — thought to be HW 4655 (Bristol).

The car also appeared at Castle Combe, Wiltshire, 31 March 1951.

Also 1950: https://www.racingsp...ive/Robros.html

Gloucester Trial, 1951:

https://library.revs...er-trial/326010

THE LADDER: H. E. Roberts Robros

hits the famous step on Nailsworth

Ladder. This hill was as easy as it has

ever been.

Registration HW 4655 (Bristol)

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 11 December 2024 - 06:09.

[68targa]

I wonder what Lotus was Michael Allen driving - I thought LMU3 was the only MkIII completed in 1951. Or was this a speculative entry for a second car that never appeared?

 

 

Although Michael Allen was listed in the entry it might have been Nigel Allen who drove in the first race for up to 1100cc sports cars. He finished in 5th place while ACBC drove in the 750cc race. In both races they would have used LMU3.  This would have been the first race meeting for the MKIII.

[Rupertlt1]

Lulsgate, Bristol Motor Cycle And Light Car Club, 16 April 1949

"H. E. Roberts' 847 c.c. Morris, after lying third for three laps,

was robbed of its place by J. Webber's M.G. on the fourth."

Could the Robros be derived from the Morris?

Car called a Fordmor at the Allen Trophy, Taunton M.C., in 1949.

Is the grille shell from a Morris? (see link above)

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 12 December 2024 - 20:32.

[Rupertlt1]

Race 4:  #4 Fiat Balilla 1100 c.c., BXU 106, R. A. Spiers (as above)

ex-Monica Whincop

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 12 December 2024 - 20:27.

[cooper997]

Just to help Rupert with another of his missions...

 

The following should be the full entry lists foolhardily typed from the original programme some time ago, for the second ever race meeting held at Castle Combe. Missing though is Race 6 that was to be handwritten by the spectator (mine wasn't filled in). If a fellow TNFer already has a Race 6 list, don't be shy in sharing.

 

 

Stephen

 

 

7/10/50 (P) Bristol MC & LCC Castle Combe National Car Race meeting.

Notwen Oil D Poore advert p?

Racing Data p6

Race 1 – 10 lap race for racing cars up to 500cc in International FIII – heat 1 1.30pm p8

1 G H Symonds Cooper 497

2 J W Cox Cooper 499

4 J F Westcott Cooper-JAP 497

5 H C Lones Tiger Kitten II Iota 496

6 W C Cuff Hells Hammers V 497

7 R Montgomerie-Charrington Cooper 500

8 A Brown Cooper 497

9 B Tye Cooper 497

10 A J Nurse Cooper 496

11 C G Arengo Arengo 497

12 K Carter Cooper 499

14 N Rowland Cooper 497

15 W L Grose Grose 497

16 R M Dryden Cooper 499

17 A F Jones Mercury Jap 496

18 J Neill Kieft 499

19 G Wicken Cooper 499

20 Paul Emery Emeryson 497

21 I Burgess Cooper-JAP 497

The Light Car with Maserati advert p9

Autosport advert p10

Race 2 – 10 lap race for racing cars up to 500cc in International FIII – heat 2 2pm p11

22 D F Truman Bardon-Turner 497

23 K Watkins Cooper 497

24 P J Collins Cooper 499

25 Stirling Moss Cooper-Norton 499

26 T J Clarke Iota 500

27 E J Moor Wasp 500

28 C D Headland Cooper 497

29 J H Elt Elt Special 497

30 D N Brake Cooper 497

31 C W Kieft driver K A Gregory Kieft 499

32 V Worlock Worlock 495

33 M G H Cadbury Tiger Kitten 496

34 Major P K Braid Cooper 497

35 J Ebdon Haldon Jap 497

36 J Leary Cooper 500

37 D Parker Parker Special 498

38 A Rogers Cooper 499

39 F Kennington Emeryson 499

40 R W Messenger Iota 497

Race 3 – 10 laps over 500 to 1100cc 2.30pm p12

42 E Winterbottom Cooper 998

43 W S Aston Cooper-JAP 1096

44 D Richmond Rapier 1094 S/C 

45 R F Hill Summer-Jap 996 S

46 J P Treen Riley 1089

47 C Randall driver C R Instone Djinn 1097

48 J H Webb MG 1087 S

49 R W Merrick Cooper-Cooper-JAP 1096

50 H A Richards Riley 1087

51 B de Lissa MG 1086 S

52 K Wharton Cooper-JAP 996

53 C W Kieft driver Mrs Joy Cooke Kieft 1098

Race 4 – 10 laps over 1100cc to 1500cc 3pm p12

56 B N Shawe-Taylor ERA 1488 (S)

57 F R Gerard ERA 1488 (S)

58 J Ching Bugatti 1498

59 F R G Spikins driver B G P de Mattos Cromhard Special 1496

60 P N Whitehead driver A G Whitehead ERA 1488 (S)

61 George Hartwell Ltd (driver G R Hartwell) Cooper JAP 1375

62 `G N Richardson RRA 1488 (S)

63 R W Shakespeare driver R W Wooley Stafford Special 1496 (S)

64 P J Collins Cooper-JAP 1200

65 George Hartwell Ltd driver E M Martin ERA 1488 (S)

Race 5 – 10 laps race for Racing Cars over 1500cc and not exceeding 2000cc 3.30pm p13

70 Oscar Moore OBM 1971 

71 T A D Crook HWM 1998

72 K McAlpine Connaught 1767

73 E J Newton Frazer-Nash 1971

74 J H Walton HW Alta 1961

75 R O Ayrton driver J Willment Bugatti 2262 (S)

76 J E R Little Bugatti 2261 (S)

77 P H Bell driver K Wharton ERA 1980 (S)

78 Stirling Moss HWM 1998

Race 6 Final for FIII, 

?? to be handwritten in (not)

need to build up from report?

Race 7 for Sports Cars up to 2000cc 4.30pm p16

1 Cooper Cars Ltd (driver J Cooper) Cooper-MG 1250

2 J M Sparrowe Morgan 1098 S

3 Acland & Tabor Ltd drv W R Croysdill Lester MG 1487

4 R C Willis Frazer-Nash BMW BMW 1996

5 T A D Crook Frazer-Nash 1971

6 Mrs J S R Gerard Frazer-Nash 1971

7 Capt E C W Stapleton Aston Martin 1960

8 L Gillbanks BMW 1971

9 R F Peacock Frazer Nash BMW 1971 

10 A P Hitchings HRG 1496

11 G A Ruddock HRG 1496

12 T M Meyer HW Alta 1961

14 F C Davis MG 1435 S

15 M Lambert Connaught 1767

16 D H Murray driver Stirling Moss Frazer Nash 1971

Race 8 – ten lap race for Sports Cars over 2000cc 5pm p17

17 J H Craig Jaguar 3485

18 G H G Burton Bentley 4398

19 G N Mansell Allard 4375

20 J Mountford Bugatti 2261 S

21 S Allard Allard 5420

22 K Watkins Silverstone Healey 2443

23 R E B Willaims Bentley 4398

24 T W Dargue Jaguar XK120 3442

25 D Margulies Talbot 2970

26 G M Crozier Bentley 7982

27 J R Goodings Jaguar 2664

28 D O’Mara Taylor SS 3486

29 J Boothby Silverstone 2443

30 H S F Hay Rolls-Bentley 4257

31 R G Mellor Bentley 4500

Res E G S Jackson Allard 3622

Race 9 – 10 lap race for cars to Formula Libre 5.30pm p19

82 A J Butterworth AJB 4425  

83 R D Poore Alfa Romeo 3800 S

84 A P R Rolt reserve driver J E G Fairman Alfa Romeo 3442 S

85 A S Raven Bugatti 2992

62 G N Richardson RRA 1488 S

74 J H Walton HW Alta 1961

75 R O Ayrton driver J Willment Bugatti 2262 (S)

61 George Hartwell Ltd (driver G R Hartwell) Cooper JAP 1375

42 E Winterbottom Cooper 998

60 P N Whitehead reserve driver A G Whitehead ERA 1488 S

71 T A D Crook HWM 1998

72 K McAlpine Connaught 1767

56 B N Shawe-Taylor ERA 1`488 S

73 E J Newton Frazer-Nash 1971

77 P H Bell driver K Wharton ERA 1980 (S)

78 Stirling Moss HWM 1998

Reserves

48 J H Webb MG 1087 S

26 T J Clarke Iota 500

36 J Leary Cooper 500

7 R Montgomerie-Charrington Cooper 500

The cars and their drivers p22

Bristol Motor cycle and Light Car Club p23

Forthcoming club events p25

Peter Whitehead & John Cooper photo p26

Awards p27

Acknowledgements p27

BMC & LCC membership form p28

Report

Oct 13, 1950 Autosport v1 #8 cover Geoffrey Crossley – 18 Alta GP

Grand racing for Castle Combe - 7/10/50 Bristol MC & LCC Castle Combe National report p227

Edited by cooper997, 13 December 2024 - 21:52.

[68targa]

Stephen, does your programme for the 7 Oct event have any non-starters indicated.   I am particularly interested to know if in race 4 #63 Richard Shakspeare's Stafford Special was a starter as I am trying to build up a history of all the events this car particupated in.

 

Unfortuantely the original owner of my copy of this programme also could not be troubled to fill in the entry list for race 6 (final for the 500cc). We know some of them since the first ten from each heat went through to the final so this would include -

#16 - Dryden

# 5 - Lones

# 21 - Burgess

# 25 - Moss

#21 - Collins

# 38 - Rogers

# 36 - Leary

# 30 - Brake

# 20 - Emery

we just need to find the other eleven  !

 

Of the 500cc runner those that did not arrive were # 2 -  Cox; #8 - Brown; # 9 - Tye; #12 - Carter; # Wicken; #37 - Parker.

 

Chris

Edited by 68targa, 14 December 2024 - 10:48.

[cooper997]

Sorry Chris, now that I've re-visited my copy it only has some faint results and times pencilled in for some of the races.

 

Thank you for the data you're able to add, just a minor edit required to make Collins #24

 

 

Stephen