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#1 Felix Muelas

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Posted Yesterday, 13:08

Dear colleagues,

 

I have been losing sleep recently over this picture :

 

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The information that I have is not helping. On the one hand, its is "understood" to be from sometime in September 1958. On the other, the quality of it, not great, leaves the "where" in the limbo. You can´t really read the notice on the wall (which would help). It looks like Módena, but go figure.

I can´t remember ever seeing or reading about two 250Fs (not one, two!) decorated in Argentine colours, What for exactly and when? We know they never appeared in those colours in a race, but obviously here they are. 

The timing of this picture leads to its own problems : if we explore September 58 -so either before Monza or between Monza and Ain Diab- we can´t find at which point the cars that are supposed to be shown (and that's another tricky one) would have been painted in those colours. Nope. 

So, if not 58, when then? 1959? I don´t see the obvious conection, if there's any. 1960? Before or after the Buenos Aires and Cordoba races in February? No car with ACA decoration appeared there either (or later in the Trofeo Triangular Sudamericano). 

I can´t recognize the gentleman sitting on the car on the left. 

But here comes the catch, which should be handled with care. This picture, "cropped" -so that you can only see the car with the driver sitting on it- I had seen it before. Not identifying its driver but the car itself. As 2533. 

 

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The picture I saw was (understood) to be coming from the files of Barrie Hopkirk. Enough said...

So I have been following the whereabouts of 2533 (yeah, we' re sick) from birth to mid 1960. Now, is that 2533? Looks certainly like it, but again, when exactly? No mirrors, worn out tyres, what else?

I naively thought that if we could start by identifying the two cars...location or opportunity for the picture will arise. As it happens, it now looks that such idea is counterintuitive, I am back where I started.

Ideas? Hypothesis?  :stoned:
 

Merry Xmas, in the meantime.

 



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#2 DCapps

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Posted Yesterday, 15:12

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

 

That photo was taken during what turned out to be an aborted sale of 2533 (motore 2533/ with telaio either 2533 or 2534...) that Barrie sent me in what now seems several centuries ago.

Somewhere, buried deep in my files, I probably have something regarding the story on this sale that didn't happen. 

In all honesty, I really didn't pay that much attention to it at the time, although I know that David and I probably discussed it at least times.

Maybe Roger can sort through David's files and find something on it.

In fact, I am not even sure why Barrie sent it to me, but it was part of a group of several phots as I recall of the 2533/2534 cars.

That photo has been bouncing around for a time, but with little info accompanying it.

 

I am not even sure now that I think about it if I was given the name of the person in the cockpit or if that he was even the proposed buyer.

 

Except for one last paper on the history AAA national championship racing , I am in the process of stacking arms and finally quitting/retiring from all this. 

Not even sure where my files relating to this are anymore to be honest; probably on a hard drive somewhere if it has already been tossed or even reused. 

 

Postscript. The photo is from 1958...


Edited by DCapps, Yesterday, 16:48.


#3 Roger Clark

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Posted Today, 09:40

David's notes say of 2530:  V12 in 1957, fitted 6-cylinder engine and renumbered 2532 in 1958.  "Still retained large fuel tank and radiator. An aborted (Argentinian?) sale saw this car along with 2533 painted dark blue with yellow bonnet. At times in-correctly thought to be used to make 1st Piccolo."  Under 2533 he says: "See 2530/32 for abortive sale".  The car with the driver seems smaller which would be consistent with it being 2533.



#4 Felix Muelas

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Posted Today, 18:00

Well, thank you very much to both of you, gentlemen! As, I dare say, expected. This Forum has proved, over a quarter of a century, the vey reason of its existence.

I think we can agree on the identity of both cars. We’ll try to place them, in the context of the “attempted sale”, in a context of time and place (sometime in 58, probably in Modena) and explore the Argentina side of it all.

My best wishes for the forthcoming festivities,