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[GlenWatkins]

AlcidioG, on 07 Apr 2025 - 17:32, said:

And what if its an Oscar win?

As long as it is a 1 - 2 I don't really care who finishes first.

[f1rules]

Then thats fine also, as long Mclaren wins. BUT... i prefer it to be Lando  

 

AlcidioG, on 07 Apr 2025 - 17:32, said:

And what if its an Oscar win?

Edited by f1rules, Yesterday, 07:52.

[f1rules]

Exactly this! Im a McLaren fan first! But due to Norris history in the team and we basicly saw him grow up there. I hope he will be the driver delivering the first wdc in many years to mclaren. If its Oscar, then its fine also. They both need to earn it on track.

 

 

Nicktendo86, on 07 Apr 2025 - 18:47, said:

From a team perspective the same, form me personally it’s complicated as I would prefer Lando win the championship this year. He’s been with the team for longer and put up with the hard times, he deserves it. Would then like to see him defend next year and then Oscar pick up a couple of championships in my ideal world!

[BRG]

pacificquay, on 07 Apr 2025 - 16:26, said:

Shows how far McLaren have come that the meltdowns on here these days are over a 2-3 rather than a blown Honda after 2 laps!

Those were the days, when the demise of the team within days was being confidently predicted by many. 

 

lewislorenzo, on 07 Apr 2025 - 17:34, said:

When will Lando realise that Max is not his friend

The you wouldn’t see me comments shows that Max doesn’t fear him or see him as a threat at all

As Lando has commented that he didn't expect Max to give way, I think he knows this perfectly well already, thank you.  Why he bothered to try is another question, maybe just trying to show Max that the glove are off?

[Lazy]

lewislorenzo, on 07 Apr 2025 - 17:34, said:

When will Lando realise that Max is not his friend…

The you wouldn’t see me comments shows that Max doesn’t fear him or see him as a threat at all

Maybe he's not a snowflake who can't separate real life from a sport.

[AlcidioG]

Lazy, on 08 Apr 2025 - 08:54, said:

Maybe he's not a snowflake who can't separate real life from a sport.

 

Yep... I also don't get why they can't be friends. On track is a different matter. On track not even your teammate is your friend.

[Melbourne Park]

DevilDare, on 07 Apr 2025 - 08:19, said:

That is a lot of ifs and buts. 

 

Maybe this sounds better: Piastri is a lot faster this year. 

[IrvTheSwerve]

AlcidioG, on 08 Apr 2025 - 09:46, said:

Yep... I also don't get why they can't be friends. On track is a different matter. On track not even your teammate is your friend.

 

It must be difficult when the 'friend' has run you off the track a couple of times. We know that Max has a 'you yield or we'll crash' mantra, much like Senna...Hamilton started to not give in to it and we saw what happened there. I don't think Lando has it in him to do this to Max - which is fair enough, he's a fair racer - but Max is on another level to Lando in terms of 'win at all costs'. 

[Lazy]

IrvTheSwerve, on 08 Apr 2025 - 13:43, said:

It must be difficult when the 'friend' has run you off the track a couple of times. We know that Max has a 'you yield or we'll crash' mantra, much like Senna...Hamilton started to not give in to it and we saw what happened there. I don't think Lando has it in him to do this to Max - which is fair enough, he's a fair racer - but Max is on another level to Lando in terms of 'win at all costs'. 

Not really. It's a bit like Rugby, you try to take bits out of each other on the pitch, best of mates afterwards.

[KWSN - DSM]

Lazy, on 08 Apr 2025 - 14:37, said:

Not really. It's a bit like Rugby, you try to take bits out of each other on the pitch, best of mates afterwards.

 

As in Ice hokey, handshake line 2 seconds after ready to chop the legs off under you, smiling and spitting teeth.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Lazy, on 08 Apr 2025 - 14:37, said:

Not really. It's a bit like Rugby, you try to take bits out of each other on the pitch, best of mates afterwards.

 

KWSN - DSM, on 08 Apr 2025 - 14:56, said:

As in Ice hokey, handshake line 2 seconds after ready to chop the legs off under you, smiling and spitting teeth.

 

At the moment, the punches are flying only one way.

[kumo7]

This much is clear to every one of the fan of formula one:
1) The smartest and the fastest wins;
2) friendships does not count for winning the championship;
3) the chance is only once, of lucky twice, more than that is something the entire team and the business behind it;
4) to win the world championship, the racer must want to win it;
if Lando want to be the one? i am not so sure. Oscar, i think he does, but if Oscar got the speed and the precision of Lando, i am not sure.

Edited by kumo7, Yesterday, 15:24.

[lewislorenzo]

Lazy, on 08 Apr 2025 - 14:37, said:

Not really. It's a bit like Rugby, you try to take bits out of each other on the pitch, best of mates afterwards.

Well if using the rugby analogy Lando isn’t making many metres and is being dominated in the tackles…

[keshav]

Will Bahrain be better?

[Lazy]

lewislorenzo, on 08 Apr 2025 - 15:34, said:

Well if using the rugby analogy Lando isn’t making many metres and is being dominated in the tackles…

Lando and McLaren have made many metres over the last 2 years, from 22 to 22.

Which is why Max started cheating again.

Edited by Lazy, Yesterday, 15:40.

[KWSN - DSM]

Lazy, on 08 Apr 2025 - 15:40, said:

Lando and McLaren have made many metres over the last 2 years, from 22 to 22.

Which is why Max started cheating again.

 

"Lazy argument"

[Lazy]

KWSN - DSM, on 08 Apr 2025 - 15:49, said:

"Lazy argument"

Facts bro.

Max was very well behaved whilst the RB was dominant, I'd even started to believe he'd grown as a human being

Unfortunately, as soon as McLaren became a threat he started pushing people of the track again. The correlation was exact.

[Dalton007]

lewislorenzo, on 07 Apr 2025 - 17:34, said:

When will Lando realise that Max is not his friend…

The you wouldn’t see me comments shows that Max doesn’t fear him or see him as a threat at all

 

 

Max looks down at Lando the puppy with a wolfish grin. 

 

I suppose they can be mates off-track, but must be hard to keep it going when Max can whoop your butt in an inferior car. 

[blakey]

Mc_Silver, on 07 Apr 2025 - 20:05, said:

https://www.instagra...g_web_copy_link

Think he is right. We haven't

[BRG]

lewislorenzo, on 08 Apr 2025 - 15:34, said:

Well if using the rugby analogy Lando isn’t making many metres and is being dominated in the tackles…

But is ahead on points.  And points make prizes.

 

Dalton007, on 08 Apr 2025 - 16:14, said:

Max looks down at Lando the puppy with a wolfish grin. 

 

Looks UP with a rueful grin at the championship leader.

[lewislorenzo]

Lazy, on 08 Apr 2025 - 15:40, said:

Lando and McLaren have made many metres over the last 2 years, from 22 to 22.
Which is why Max started cheating again.

I hope Lando beats Max…but I don’t think he is ruthless enough

BRG, on 08 Apr 2025 - 16:36, said:

But is ahead on points. And points make prizes.

Looks UP with a rueful grin at the championship leader.

By 1 point…

Edited by lewislorenzo, Yesterday, 17:02.

[aportinga]

I would not be surprised if Max gets the WDC and McLaren the WCC for 2025. McLaren will likely lose the WDC because they don't want them to race. So unles one of them ignores team orders (Piastri in particular), the season ends that way. Norris (IMO) does not have that killer instinct. Plus his yapping right off about being pushed off was petty and immature. He may have corrected himself later but a drivers rank is based on immediate actions in the moment. I would really like to know what Toto would do in this situation if it had been Kimi and Russell?

 

Either way - long term contract or not, Lando or Piastri will not be in a McLaren in 2026 IMO.

[aportinga]

Melbourne Park, on 08 Apr 2025 - 13:29, said:

Maybe this sounds better: Piastri is a lot faster this year. 

 

It makes no difference if he cannot out-qualify Lando.

[keshav]

After all this, I think Lando will have a banger Bahrain GP. Similar to how he dominated Singapore.

[BertoC]

People acting like were close to season finale. Theres... 21 whole races to go. Thats almost 2 old style seasons. So much will happen, its kinda irrelevant to try predict the future.

[blakey]

lewislorenzo, on 08 Apr 2025 - 17:01, said:

I hope Lando beats Max…but I don’t think he is ruthless enough


By 1 point…

He was ruthless enough against Russell in China

[blakey]

aportinga, on 08 Apr 2025 - 17:51, said:

I would not be surprised if Max gets the WDC and McLaren the WCC for 2025. McLaren will likely lose the WDC because they don't want them to race. So unles one of them ignores team orders (Piastri in particular), the season ends that way. Norris (IMO) does not have that killer instinct. Plus his yapping right off about being pushed off was petty and immature. He may have corrected himself later but a drivers rank is based on immediate actions in the moment. I would really like to know what Toto would do in this situation if it had been Kimi and Russell?

Either way - long term contract or not, Lando or Piastri will not be in a McLaren in 2026 IMO.

I'm sorry but his moaning was fine and comes from all drivers. Plus max did the exact same thing. He can be champion no problem. And thankfully we can put this ridiculous assumptions to bed by the end of the season and too say one of them won't be in a mclaren in 26 is just laughable.

Edited by blakey, Yesterday, 19:05.

[blakey]

keshav, on 08 Apr 2025 - 18:36, said:

After all this, I think Lando will have a banger Bahrain GP. Similar to how he dominated Singapore.

Do we know when this braking issue that lando is struggling will have the fix cos I do think that is holding him back quite a bit and once he is happy think he will be pulling away from the field

[Lazy]

aportinga, on 08 Apr 2025 - 17:51, said:

I would not be surprised if Max gets the WDC and McLaren the WCC for 2025. McLaren will likely lose the WDC because they don't want them to race. So unles one of them ignores team orders (Piastri in particular), the season ends that way. Norris (IMO) does not have that killer instinct. Plus his yapping right off about being pushed off was petty and immature. He may have corrected himself later but a drivers rank is based on immediate actions in the moment. I would really like to know what Toto would do in this situation if it had been Kimi and Russell?

 

Either way - long term contract or not, Lando or Piastri will not be in a McLaren in 2026 IMO.

Don't be daft, Max would have been bitching about that.

[lewislorenzo]

blakey, on 08 Apr 2025 - 19:01, said:

He was ruthless enough against Russell in China

Keep that same energy for Max

[Dalton007]

aportinga, on 08 Apr 2025 - 17:51, said:

I would not be surprised if Max gets the WDC and McLaren the WCC for 2025. McLaren will likely lose the WDC because they don't want them to race. So unles one of them ignores team orders (Piastri in particular), the season ends that way. Norris (IMO) does not have that killer instinct. Plus his yapping right off about being pushed off was petty and immature. He may have corrected himself later but a drivers rank is based on immediate actions in the moment. I would really like to know what Toto would do in this situation if it had been Kimi and Russell?

 

Either way - long term contract or not, Lando or Piastri will not be in a McLaren in 2026 IMO.

 

I doubt either are leaving McLaren unless something goes wrong.

 

Lando has to deliver a WDC this season if the car development continues on a positive curve. I won't count out Max, though. RBR will make a comeback and improve their car.

[vlado]

WCC should be more or less wrapped by Imola and then maybe we can see an open fight between the teammates?

[Mc_Silver]

https://youtu.be/Ym_41isdim8

[RPM40]

Its only early but I don't really see the WCC being even a topic. McLaren will continue to grow the WCC lead at most every race and that will be wrapped up whenever its wrapped up with a gap in the hundreds.

[Lazy]

Mc_Silver, on 08 Apr 2025 - 20:57, said:

https://youtu.be/Ym_41isdim8

Max just lacks that killer instinct, too cautious.

[GlenWatkins]

LOL! Lazy

[Ben1980]

aportinga, on 08 Apr 2025 - 17:51, said:

I would not be surprised if Max gets the WDC and McLaren the WCC for 2025. McLaren will likely lose the WDC because they don't want them to race. So unles one of them ignores team orders (Piastri in particular), the season ends that way. Norris (IMO) does not have that killer instinct. Plus his yapping right off about being pushed off was petty and immature. He may have corrected himself later but a drivers rank is based on immediate actions in the moment. I would really like to know what Toto would do in this situation if it had been Kimi and Russell?

Either way - long term contract or not, Lando or Piastri will not be in a McLaren in 2026 IMO.

Eh? Don't want them to race?

[MikeTekRacing]

This ruthless thing is overblown. 
Lando needs to clear up mistakes and be in front with the faster car. He tried forcing it at the exit of the pits, Max was never going to have that. 

Other than that what else could he have done? Hit Max?

[chumma]

We need upgrades. Regardless of what McLaren said after Australia, I think they were impacted by the fast tracked flexi wing directive. The car is less balanced, and straight line speed has suffered.

Bahrain is usually terrible for McLaren so I am not expecting an easy weekend, but I hope they are cooking with upgrades.

[Mc_Silver]

I don't know why but I don't remember McLaren to be competitive in Bahrain ever. I think Charles and Max will be in the mix.

[chhatra]

Mc_Silver, on 08 Apr 2025 - 20:57, said:

https://youtu.be/Ym_41isdim8

In hindsight he would have been better off tucking in behind Max and using the car’s superior downforce and tire warmup to stay within 1 second to get DRS.

But hey hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Mc_Silver]

chhatra, on 09 Apr 2025 - 06:16, said:

In hindsight he would have been better off tucking in behind Max and using the car’s superior downforce and tire warmup to stay within 1 second to get DRS.

But hey hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I don't think it would make much of a difference. George Russel's early pitting for an undercut compromised McLaren's strategy pretty badly. Cooler conditions and circuit layout were variables which limited overtaking possibilities and caused dull racing spectacle.

Mark Hughes summed it up pretty well here.

https://www.motorspo...-code-in-japan/

Edited by Mc_Silver, Today, 06:46.

[Nobody]

aportinga, on 08 Apr 2025 - 17:51, said:

I would not be surprised if Max gets the WDC and McLaren the WCC for 2025. McLaren will likely lose the WDC because they don't want them to race. So unles one of them ignores team orders (Piastri in particular), the season ends that way. Norris (IMO) does not have that killer instinct. Plus his yapping right off about being pushed off was petty and immature. He may have corrected himself later but a drivers rank is based on immediate actions in the moment. I would really like to know what Toto would do in this situation if it had been Kimi and Russell?

Either way - long term contract or not, Lando or Piastri will not be in a McLaren in 2026 IMO.

Do you mind if I copy this into the "Your worst motorsport takes" thread?
Reckon it's got legs.

[PayasYouRace]

aportinga, on 08 Apr 2025 - 17:51, said:

I would not be surprised if Max gets the WDC and McLaren the WCC for 2025. McLaren will likely lose the WDC because they don't want them to race. So unles one of them ignores team orders (Piastri in particular), the season ends that way. Norris (IMO) does not have that killer instinct. Plus his yapping right off about being pushed off was petty and immature. He may have corrected himself later but a drivers rank is based on immediate actions in the moment. I would really like to know what Toto would do in this situation if it had been Kimi and Russell?

Either way - long term contract or not, Lando or Piastri will not be in a McLaren in 2026 IMO.

If going for a gap in the pit lane exit isn’t killer instinct, then no driver on the current grid has it. Yeah this time it didn’t work out, but it’s not like he meekly slotted in behind Verstappen.

And to echo others, they all have a moan in the heat of the moment. Lando is hardly the worst for that.

[Mc_Silver]

PayasYouRace, on 09 Apr 2025 - 08:15, said:

If going for a gap in the pit lane exit isn’t killer instinct, then no driver on the current grid has it. Yeah this time it didn’t work out, but it’s not like he meekly slotted in behind Verstappen.

And to echo others, they all have a moan in the heat of the moment. Lando is hardly the worst for that.

The double standard attitude towards Lando by some fanboys is getting out of control honestly. If he had backed off there, I'm sure we would have seen comments like he lacks that killer instinct or aggression etc.

[Mc_Silver]

chhatra, on 09 Apr 2025 - 06:16, said:

In hindsight he would have been better off tucking in behind Max and using the car’s superior downforce and tire warmup to stay within 1 second to get DRS.

But hey hindsight is a wonderful thing.

No, it wouldn't. It would make zero difference.

[PayasYouRace]

Mc_Silver, on 09 Apr 2025 - 08:22, said:

The double standard attitude towards Lando by some fanboys is getting out of control honestly. If he had backed off there, I'm sure we would have seen comments like he lacks that killer instinct or aggression etc.

At least if he’d done that it could be a justifiable critique.

I’d focus more on why McLaren brought him in the same lap as Verstappen. They should have done a “do what he doesn’t do” and at least gone for an undercut/overcut. I guess McLaren are confident in the pit crew but it’s still a risky way to pass.

[Lazy]

I would have liked to have seen him try a sharp jink towards Max to see if he would move.

[baddog]

PayasYouRace, on 09 Apr 2025 - 08:15, said:

If going for a gap in the pit lane exit isn’t killer instinct, then no driver on the current grid has it. Yeah this time it didn’t work out, but it’s not like he meekly slotted in behind Verstappen.

And to echo others, they all have a moan in the heat of the moment. Lando is hardly the worst for that.

 

It was a plucky move to challenge and the right thing, but when he accelerated onto the grass after the space was gone it seemed clumsy to me. But he doesn't lack 'killer' instinct at all I think, that's silly talk. Just needs to be a tiny bit more consistent sometimes and start pushing the team harder over strat calls.

[Button4life]

What’s up with all of this killer instinct talk. Are you expecting him to turn into John Wick?