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#1 WouterF1

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 13:03

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WCC: 2010/2011/2012/2013/2022/2023

Team: 23px-Flag_of_Austria.svg.png Oracle Red Bull Racing

 

Base: 23px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom

Team principal: Christian Horner
Technical director: Pierre Waché

 

Race drivers:
1 Max Verstappen.
30 Liam Lawson.

Chassis: RB21
Engine: Honda RBPT

 

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#2 Cliff

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 18:51

Let’s get it!

#3 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 19:16

Verstappen favorite to win his 5th on the trot.



#4 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 19:17

Lawson in discussion of first driver to lose his seat in season.



#5 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 17 January 2025 - 19:17

Hope Ferrari and Ferrari drivers will be the team and drivers battling Red Bull and Verstappen.



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Posted 17 January 2025 - 19:30

Lawson in discussion of first driver to lose his seat in season.

If he's too slow and the car is good, perhaps they will just hook a tow rope from the back of Max's car



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Posted 18 January 2025 - 09:41

Let's gooooo! 5 times for Max? I think he should be seen as favorite still, hopefully the car is much less of a diva this time around.

 

Lawson in discussion of first driver to lose his seat in season.

 

While I too think Tsunoda deserved it more if you look at experience, pace and results, I think the pro-Lawson argument - which is that he also likes a pointy car and can likely handle it better - could perhaps surprise some people. If he can handle the pressure, he may surprise some folk. 



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Posted 18 January 2025 - 09:48

First task for Lawson is to avoid the wild swings in performance of Sergio.  If Max is there taking wins, and the field is as tight as last year, then some regular fourths and fifths will be a step up for Red Bull.  Sainz was the obvious choice in performance terms, but perhaps not in terms of team harmony.  Red Bull need a competent No. 2.  Will Lawson be that?   



#9 WouterF1

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Posted 18 January 2025 - 10:29

Marko on Newey's departure

Team principal Christian Horner said in September that there is no correlation between the RB20 performance and Newey's departure, but Helmut Marko does not agree.

The Austrian sees that things only got worse for the team since the Briton left, while Horner only tries to downplay the situation.

"We had started well and dominated, but since Newey left, our engineers have actually had a bit of a hard time getting the most out of the car," Marko began.

"Although things were gradually moving in the right direction towards the end of the season and we can say that we are very optimistic for the future, the truth is that from Miami onwards,

the teams hoping for victory became four, as McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes had joined the competition, by turns," the Austrian concluded to Autosprint.



#10 Ste678

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Posted 18 January 2025 - 10:57

Although I'm not overly optimistic, after reading various articles during the off season, it seems that the team hardly exploited that front wing grey area which partly explains those balance issues. So there seems more potential in comparison to the other front runners in theory.

https://www.the-race...1-2025-revival/

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Posted 18 January 2025 - 12:17

Let's gooooo! 5 times for Max? I think he should be seen as favorite still, hopefully the car is much less of a diva this time around.

 

 

While I too think Tsunoda deserved it more if you look at experience, pace and results, I think the pro-Lawson argument - which is that he also likes a pointy car and can likely handle it better - could perhaps surprise some people. If he can handle the pressure, he may surprise some folk. 

 

Yes.



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Posted 18 January 2025 - 16:14

Although I'm not overly optimistic, after reading various articles during the off season, it seems that the team hardly exploited that front wing grey area which partly explains those balance issues. So there seems more potential in comparison to the other front runners in theory.

https://www.the-race...1-2025-revival/

 

Exactly this. Ultimately Max managed to win the title even without this "trick". With that incorporated and with the issues that made the RB20 so hard to set up properly now (hopefully) fixed, I see the ceiling higher for RedBull, especially with the extra CFD time. But one has to wonder how they will balance developing this car and the 2026 car at the same time. That is of course a question for all teams. 



#13 PitViperRacing

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Posted 18 January 2025 - 19:29

Think red bull bounce back and compete strongly for the constructors, and Max wins his 5th.

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Posted 18 January 2025 - 22:22

I do hope they make more use of the extra wind tunnel time and exploit the flexy wings.

And then watch it go and get banned.

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Posted 20 January 2025 - 09:15

For sure they will find the grey area for the front wing. No issue with that and is part of the progress within F1. This will hopefully trigger some performance, but the main bottle neck is the stability and balance issues. Let's hope they will find a good solution finally.



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Posted 20 January 2025 - 09:25

I do hope they make more use of the extra wind tunnel time and exploit the flexy wings.

And then watch it go and get banned.

 

Surely if that were to happen, RedBull would be the most favored seeing as they were the strongest in the field pre flexi-wing. So either way, win-win.



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Posted 21 January 2025 - 01:20

Surely if that were to happen, RedBull would be the most favored seeing as they were the strongest in the field pre flexi-wing. So either way, win-win.


Potentially, but I wouldn’t get ahead of ourselves yet.

#18 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 January 2025 - 03:43

Let's gooooo! 5 times for Max? I think he should be seen as favorite still, hopefully the car is much less of a diva this time around.


While I too think Tsunoda deserved it more if you look at experience, pace and results, I think the pro-Lawson argument - which is that he also likes a pointy car and can likely handle it better - could perhaps surprise some people. If he can handle the pressure, he may surprise some folk.

Let’s see how pointy he likes it.
Albon said he thought be likes pointy cars too before meeting Max

#19 Taxi

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Posted 21 January 2025 - 13:34

Only Michael, Kimi(before) and Max can handle that extreme. 



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#20 ATM

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Posted 21 January 2025 - 16:07

I don't know, Alonso is renowned as being bit of a chameleon too, drives the car whichever way makes it faster.

#21 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 January 2025 - 17:29

I don't know, Alonso is renowned as being bit of a chameleon too, drives the car whichever way makes it faster.

he is known to have excelled in the super understeer renault and then adapted. 

not sure what mega pointy car he had to drive. the redbull is probably on the level of the benetton



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Posted 22 January 2025 - 01:21

he is known to have excelled in the super understeer renault and then adapted.
not sure what mega pointy car he had to drive. the redbull is probably on the level of the benetton


To be honest, he is the only driver I’ve seen to adapt to any car.

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 08:41

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Well, I don't expect any spectacular livery changes this year.



#24 jonklug

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 08:45

Gotta say though, that livery looks AMAZING on a NASCAR car. 



#25 Cliff

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Posted 24 January 2025 - 10:18

I wouldn't be surprised if Zilisch ends up in F1 at some point. Seems to be Nascar's Max.



#26 WouterF1

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 09:00

Newey expected departure at Red Bull: 'I would have called you crazy'

It is a big loss for Red Bull Racing: Adrian Newey is no longer working for the team he helped make great, which took some getting used to for the Austrians, but certainly also for himself.

Speaking to Auto, Motor und Sport, Newey says of his departure:
"I think if you'd said to me 12 months ago would I be leaving Red Bull and then now ultimately starting again
I'd have said ‘no, you're crazy'."

[a year ago was before the Horner gate started]

"But for various reasons I felt I wouldn't be true to myself if I stayed at Red Bull so the first difficult decision was exactly that do I stay or not at Red Bull.

I obviously came to the conclusion that in being honest with myself, I couldn't," Newey said.

 

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 09:53

Translated from the Dutch Motorsport.com:

Red Bull open about correlation problems in F1: "Never completely solved"

Technical director Pierre Waché discusses the correlation problems that Red Bull Racing experienced in the past Formula 1 season and explains why they have never been completely solved, not even in 2025.

When asked whether Red Bull has now completely solved the correlation problem, Waché responded with a laugh at the start of the winter break: "No. It will never be completely solved." According to the 52-year-old Frenchman, this is because the correlation between theory and practice will never be one hundred percent. "And what is more: if you keep the same regulations for a certain period of time, the improvements you are looking for are increasingly smaller. Then the accuracy of your tools has to be increasingly greater." Waché indicates that the top teams are now so evenly matched that teams look at marginal gains - very small profit margins - which means that correlation is even more about the details.

"Because you're looking for small things, the correlation aspect becomes even more important. On the aero side, and the same goes for the suspension, you're looking at two or three points of downforce for the floor, the bodywork, etc. That then also affects parts of the car that you don't test in the wind tunnel, simply because you can't simulate them in CFD. That's where it starts to get dangerous," explains the Red Bull Racing technical chief. It's exactly what happened in 2024: Red Bull came up with novelties that in theory should have given more downforce, but in practice had unwanted side effects and upset the balance of the car.

"It's improved [at the moment] in the areas that we understand. But in Formula 1 you're always on the verge of a new problem," laughs the technical director. "That's the reality and that's also why we're here, to anticipate problems that you might have." According to Waché, that's what makes the premier class so interesting. “It is dangerous to blindly trust the system. I am not saying that we should not trust it, but you have to put everything into perspective and know that on the track you do not reproduce exactly what you test.”

“Even on the track, the situation can change from day to day. The wind can be different and the tyres can completely change the behaviour of a car. Moreover, we must not forget what we are talking about. We are talking about one millisecond, so that makes it difficult.” Waché also makes it clear that not blindly trusting the numbers should be the mindset within an F1 team. “A team is only good if you have doubts and are never sure of yourself. If you are sure of yourself, then you know that you are failing.”

https://nl.motorspor...wache/10691541/



#28 JL14

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Posted 27 January 2025 - 15:00

If it's not that great below 5C, does that explain why Red Bull always used to start the season slow and after a few races - corresponding to the winter temps being gone and spring temps started to slowly appear - got their car sorted?  :well:



#29 renzmann

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Posted 28 January 2025 - 07:20

Is it me or does Lawson look like Jenson in recent pictures?



#30 WouterF1

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Posted 28 January 2025 - 08:55

Mark Hughes (The Race)  in their latest podcast from yesterday about: "Is Verstappen switching to Asin Martin inevatible?
Listen from 5:45 min.

Amid the talk of Max Verstappen heading to Aston Martin in 2026, we address the rumours in the latest edition of The Race F1 Podcast.

In a follow-up recording to the live shows we staged in London and Birmingham earlier, we tackle some of the vast number of questions we received from the audience - including one about the reigning world champion’s future.

We also discuss other aspects of Aston Martin’s rise, including the influence of Adrian Newey and Andy Cowell over driver decisions and Lance Stroll’s future.

https://www.the-race...-martin-switch/

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#31 WouterF1

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Posted 28 January 2025 - 09:21

Is it me or does Lawson look like Jenson in recent pictures?

 

Yes he does.

 

 

 

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#32 thermonuclear

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Posted 28 January 2025 - 09:52

Yes he does.

 

 

 

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About time. The swept back hair wasn't a good look. Might be harder to teach him to wear his cap the right way round finally and support the sponsors though.



#33 WouterF1

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Posted 29 January 2025 - 16:38

 

Thomas Maher
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Red Bull’s RB21 has passed crash tests and will be shaken down in Bahrain on 25th of February, using up first filming day of the year. #F1
29 January 2025  15:33

 

 

No idea how reliable he is. RN 365 talked yesterday also about the crashtest. They seem to do also  a private shakedown (15 km) of the rb21 at Silverstone prior to the filmingday.



#34 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 29 January 2025 - 16:58

About time. The swept back hair wasn't a good look. Might be harder to teach him to wear his cap the right way round finally and support the sponsors though.

 

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#35 ATM

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Posted 29 January 2025 - 19:44

Îs that the guy from "Burn Notice" or am I mixing them up?
Edit-come to think of it, he looks also like some baddie from "Slow horses".

Edited by ATM, 29 January 2025 - 19:47.


#36 JL14

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Posted 30 January 2025 - 14:21

In AMuS Newey says that Red Bull's technical team is lacking experience as the reason for their struggles last year 

 

“What I can see from the sidelines - but I don’t know - is that because of a lack of experience [of the technical people], they kept going in the wrong direction. The problem became so big that even Max found it difficult to drive.”
"It was something I started to worry about but not many others in the organization seemed very concerned.”


#37 WouterF1

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Posted 31 January 2025 - 08:55

Christian Horner and Liam Lawson were yesterday at a big Ford Event in Charlotte.
The video starts when  Horner and Liam came on stage at 32:00 min and 38:00 min..

https://youtu.be/m3zWyaj0-WI


Edited by WouterF1, 31 January 2025 - 09:20.


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Posted 31 January 2025 - 10:19


In AMuS Newey says that Red Bull's technical team is lacking experience as the reason for their struggles last year

“What I can see from the sidelines - but I don’t know - is that because of a lack of experience [of the technical people], they kept going in the wrong direction. The problem became so big that even Max found it difficult to drive.”
"It was something I started to worry about but not many others in the organization seemed very concerned.”


Wasn’t the start of the imbalance backtracked to updates from Spain 2023? Well into Newey's reign.

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Posted 31 January 2025 - 10:39

It just sounds like they've ended up in the same hole as they did back in 2020.

 

Wache:

 

“We started that year [2020] not far off Mercedes, then we had a massive down in the middle of the season before coming up again,” Waché said.
 
“Clearly, we went in the wrong direction and we recovered. That’s where we missed something in our analysis in terms of development direction.
 
“The car had a characteristic which Max liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this path his lap times would improve.
 
“But it brought with it some instability on entry and eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.”

 

 

Interestingly, from the same interview:

 

“It’s ironic that, in 2020, Max’s talent was a contributory cause to the problem we had,” he remarked.
 
“He has an ability to control this sort of instability that would be impossible for some others. We know that sometimes, making a car on the edge in this way can create a quicker car – and you don’t realise you went in the wrong direction because you are still extracting more lap time from the car.
 
“But you don’t realise at first it’s only because he has so much talent. So you keep going in this direction but you go too far and it takes you a few months to come back from that and realise you’d gone in the wrong direction.

 

 

 

Sounds like they've made the exact same mistake in these regulations too.



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Posted 31 January 2025 - 10:52

Îs that the guy from "Burn Notice" or am I mixing them up?
Edit-come to think of it, he looks also like some baddie from "Slow horses".

 

Spider from Slow Horses.



#41 PitViperRacing

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Posted 31 January 2025 - 11:41

It just sounds like they've ended up in the same hole as they did back in 2020.

Wache:



Interestingly, from the same interview:




Sounds like they've made the exact same mistake in these regulations too.


Well they turned it around pretty well in 2021, maybe it happens again next year

#42 tyker

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Posted 31 January 2025 - 14:06

Well they turned it around pretty well in 2021, maybe it happens again next year

The FIA changed the regulations which hurt Mercedes.



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Posted 31 January 2025 - 15:47

From the bits I read about Newey, it seems he was not to impressed with the way things were managed at Red Bull, not just the Horner story, but also the way the technical department worked. Perhaps there was more interpersonal friction within Red Bull than we would have thought, as he seems quite vocal about his gripes and why he left.



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Posted 31 January 2025 - 15:51

It just sounds like they've ended up in the same hole as they did back in 2020.

 

Wache:

 

 

Interestingly, from the same interview:

 

 

 

Sounds like they've made the exact same mistake in these regulations too.

In 2021 they dug themselves out of the hole, I hope the manage to do that this time. They had Newey at the time, but then again Newey also could not solve their problem in 2020.

I hope for Red Bull sake that they can stay in the same place in the picking order as they did for most of last season and perhaps improve. If they fall back too much behind Ferrari, McLaren or even Mercedes, Max will probably be gone after 2025.



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Posted 31 January 2025 - 16:02

In 2021 they dug themselves out of the hole, I hope the manage to do that this time. They had Newey at the time, but then again Newey also could not solve their problem in 2020.

I hope for Red Bull sake that they can stay in the same place in the picking order as they did for most of last season and perhaps improve. If they fall back too much behind Ferrari, McLaren or even Mercedes, Max will probably be gone after 2025.

 

I honestly think RedBull will be either the fastest car or a close 2nd this season. The team figured out the issues and will bring a much better balanced car this time around - and Verstappen will do the rest. Let's see, but that is my prediction. 



#46 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 01 February 2025 - 09:10

It just sounds like they've ended up in the same hole as they did back in 2020.

Wache:



Interestingly, from the same interview:




Sounds like they've made the exact same mistake in these regulations too.

Which makes their 2nd driver choice always a saga.
The second driver does not matter.
They will pursue cars which Max can take on the edge ans have rhe expectation for the other one to hang in there

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Posted 01 February 2025 - 09:13

https://racingnews36...-spree---report

 

 

Dutch publication de Telegraaf has now reported that Red Bull has captured as many as 60 employees away from rival teams to bolster its own ranks. 



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Posted 01 February 2025 - 10:04

Could be me, but racingnews mentions a publication in de Telegraaf where I can't find the article



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Posted 01 February 2025 - 10:59

Could be me, but racingnews mentions a publication in de Telegraaf where I can't find the article


https://www.telegraa...id-bij-red-bull

#50 JBJ

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Posted 01 February 2025 - 11:44

I stand corrected (was thrown of by the title)