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[cyclist]

As there does not seem to be a thread for this yet, why not start it?

 

My favorite underdog team has had a quite succesful year in 2024 but will be looking to progress even more. With two new drivers and a revised team structure and also a sense of optimism they will be hoping to shake up the more established midfield and perhaps score a surprise podium.

 

Komatsu has shown to be a very clever team manager, both in his choices, his vision and his people management. They have really upped their game last year and I am quite optimistic for 2025.

 

The tie-up with Toyota was a clever move that could really benefit them by giving them more sim data and testing time.

 

The team has also made changes to their strategy team after messing up several races last year. See this article for the changes: https://www.the-race...m-changes-2025/

I like Komatsus realistic but also ambitious way of working and I hope HAAS can benefit for a long time from his leadership as I can see him being a target for a larger team.

 

I also really appreciate that they are the first team with a female race engineer: https://www.the-race...-race-engineer/

 

I hope to see them do well as I feel this team is doing things the right way. They are giant killers and I am up for it!

Edited by cyclist, 21 January 2025 - 09:51.

[PayasYouRace]

I’m excited about their new driver line up. Things were feeling a bit stale for a while.

I went off HAAS a while during their Rich Energy and Uralkali phases, but I’m warming to them again.

[cyclist]

I’m excited about their new driver line up. Things were feeling a bit stale for a while.

I went off HAAS a while during their Rich Energy and Uralkali phases, but I’m warming to them again.

Yes they had some years under Steiner leadership that were very questionable. I think they have a very good line up this year. I don't like Ocon per se, but he is a very good driver, probably better than Hulk. Baerman has also shown to have a lot of potential.

[KWSN - DSM]

Can we please change the title to Haas? 

[cyclist]

Can we please change the title to Haas? 

I guess only moderators can do so?

[WouterF1]

Haas appoint Muller as F1's first female race engineer [Ocon]

 

More about  Laura Muller.


 

 

Edited by WouterF1, 21 January 2025 - 11:27.

[WouterF1]

Haas shakes up F1 team structure after 'brutal' wait

 

Nice article about all the changes:

 

https://www.the-race...m-changes-2025/

Edited by WouterF1, 21 January 2025 - 11:45.

[JL14]

HAAS won't be taking Ferrari's 2025 front suspension (they do take the 2025 rear suspension and gearbox)

Ferrari making major 2025 F1 design shift - but Haas won't follow - The Race

 

"They've been talking about this for the last few seasons, but we never actually did carry over the front suspension. But when they looked at it properly in terms of, 'OK, if we buy Ferrari's '25 front suspension, when are we going to have the information available and what does that mean in terms of the aero hit?' because you have to take a hit first, you have to recover.
"So comparing that and how much potential that unlocks against [the benefit if you] don't stop development because we carry over the front suspension.
"They've done the proper study and the conclusion was we should do a carryover. Then we had the confidence to then go for that decision, whereas before we didn't."

 

The Haas VF-25 will feature a brand-new monocoque rather than carrying over last year's design. This is because of the need to make changes to unlock aerodynamic opportunity in key areas.

Edited by JL14, 21 January 2025 - 11:37.

[KWSN - DSM]

I guess only moderators can do so?

 

I have asked.

[kumo7]

HAAS won't be taking Ferrari's 2025 front suspension (they do take the 2025 rear suspension and gearbox)
Ferrari making major 2025 F1 design shift - but Haas won't follow - The Race

"They've been talking about this for the last few seasons, but we never actually did carry over the front suspension. But when they looked at it properly in terms of, 'OK, if we buy Ferrari's '25 front suspension, when are we going to have the information available and what does that mean in terms of the aero hit?' because you have to take a hit first, you have to recover.
"So comparing that and how much potential that unlocks against [the benefit if you] don't stop development because we carry over the front suspension.
"They've done the proper study and the conclusion was we should do a carryover. Then we had the confidence to then go for that decision, whereas before we didn't."

The Haas VF-25 will feature a brand-new monocoque rather than carrying over last year's design. This is because of the need to make changes to unlock aerodynamic opportunity in key areas.

Well I am not looking at the numbers, the wording sounds very logical to me. One thing that worries me is that inheriting the last year suspension system can also limit the performance. (I do believe that this is a little bit too silly thing to talk about.)
I think Haas recent appointments shows the level of change that they want to bring into the racing team. I have no idea if this will conclude in the higher result but I do imagine that it will. So I think it’ll be a chase between Alpine or Haas, For Ocon for sure this will give a good motivation

Edited by kumo7, 22 January 2025 - 01:30.

[loki]

Good to see they’re making more of their own parts. 

[cyclist]

Well I am not looking at the numbers, the wording sounds very logical to me. One thing that worries me is that inheriting the last year suspension system can also limit the performance. (I do believe that this is a little bit too silly thing to talk about.)
I think Haas recent appointments shows the level of change that they want to bring into the racing team. I have no idea if this will conclude in the higher result but I do imagine that it will. So I think it’ll be a chase between Alpine or Haas, For Ocon for sure this will give a good motivation

Although I don't expect them to, I would be really happy if they can fight with or beat AM. 

 

Haas is slowly building the team up bit by bit, promoting from within and making the most of limited means. Aston Martin is like the anti-HAAS.

[kumo7]

Although I don't expect them to, I would be really happy if they can fight with or beat AM.

Haas is slowly building the team up bit by bit, promoting from within and making the most of limited means. Aston Martin is like the anti-HAAS.

Aston does not have Newey’s car this season, and if, it has decided not put too much tunnel hours into this year’s car, which means all aero goes into 2025…

[Secretariat]

In simple terms, I think one of the biggest pluses for a manager like Komatsu is that he has seen what not to do. It's a small thing, but can yield large benefits.

[loki]

In simple terms, I think one of the biggest pluses for a manager like Komatsu is that he has seen what not to do. It's a small thing, but can yield large benefits.

By outside appearances it seems he’s more approachable and less volatile.   Good traits to have.  They need respect not fear.

[Secretariat]

By outside appearances it seems he’s more approachable and less volatile.   Good traits to have.  They need respect not fear.

Agree. Fear works as a motivator, but only for so long (although not saying that was Steiner's main trait or reason for failure). I really like the article from a few weeks ago where Komatsu discusses the "boring" story of Haas doing the basics very, very, very well, and work as a team. My kind of leader: strive for mastery of the fundamentals and build from there.

 

https://www.motorspo...-haas/10687745/

[Autodromo]

Aston does not have Newey’s car this season, and if, it has decided not put too much tunnel hours into this year’s car, which means all aero goes into 2025…

I am guessing you meant 2026?

[RedRabbit]

HAAS won't be taking Ferrari's 2025 front suspension (they do take the 2025 rear suspension and gearbox)
Ferrari making major 2025 F1 design shift - but Haas won't follow - The Race

"They've been talking about this for the last few seasons, but we never actually did carry over the front suspension. But when they looked at it properly in terms of, 'OK, if we buy Ferrari's '25 front suspension, when are we going to have the information available and what does that mean in terms of the aero hit?' because you have to take a hit first, you have to recover.
"So comparing that and how much potential that unlocks against [the benefit if you] don't stop development because we carry over the front suspension.
"They've done the proper study and the conclusion was we should do a carryover. Then we had the confidence to then go for that decision, whereas before we didn't."

The Haas VF-25 will feature a brand-new monocoque rather than carrying over last year's design. This is because of the need to make changes to unlock aerodynamic opportunity in key areas.

The new monocoque is because Ferrari have moved their front suspension forward to allow more space between wheels and floor intake with an extended monocoque. To fit this into the maximum wheelbase they shortened the gearbox so the rear suspension moves forward.

Supposedly big aero benefits.

Edited by RedRabbit, 23 January 2025 - 20:11.

[danmills]

KMag retains his links as a Test Driver for TPC events.

 

That's a smart move.

[KWSN - DSM]

Can a moderator react to my message?

[jcbc3]

We try to keep everyone happy here. Hence the title was changed.

 

You may not appreciate the incorrect capitalization staying somewhere in the title but that's how we went. 

[KWSN - DSM]

We try to keep everyone happy here. Hence the title was changed.

 

You may not appreciate the incorrect capitalization staying somewhere in the title but that's how we went. 

 

Since you are discussing it here, let me continue and quote the message a moderator have not replied to, I would have preferred that me using the prescribe channel of communication would mean same granted to me, but here we are

 

Why do we have to be infantile about Haas and their name? Thread title now has (Ha Ha HAAS) in it.

Can the moderators please extend the same courtesy to Haas fans as are extended to all other teams?

 

I think all fans deserve respect for their choice of team, I do as I write find it infantile that posters and moderators have to make a conscious choice to troll all fans in making fun and raise a metaphorical middle finger to all. The decision flay against every other Team Thread subject line, you should as a collective be ashamed of yourself.

[Victor]

The same reason the moderators here allow some users to refer to Alonso as "Fred," using it as a childish and disrespectful nickname. This behaviour was most prevalent during his Ferrari days, as this place is rife with Ferrari detractors, yet it continues to be tolerated even today.

[Mario5]

Why is it every year we seem to get a stupid name for the official Haas thread? I mean, really, how hard is it to simply write something like "2025 Haas F1 team thread"?

 

And why can't Brits pronounce it correctly? It's pronounced "hoss", not "has".

Edited by Mario5, 25 January 2025 - 23:32.

[FLB]

I kind of agree this this team must be taken more seriously now.

 

 

They had an *excellent* season under Komatsu last year.

[PayasYouRace]

Apologies on the thread topic title.

 

Though I throughly enjoy typing it as HAAS, and will defend anyone who also wishes to do so.

[Risil]

And why can't Brits pronounce it correctly? It's pronounced "hoss", not "has".

Really? With a short "o" and rhyming with "boss"?

[PayasYouRace]

How does Gene say it?

[BRG]

And why can't Brits pronounce it correctly? It's pronounced "hoss", not "has".

So kinda like this then?

..and I'll shoot the next galoot to pronounce it wrong.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Why is it every year we seem to get a stupid name for the official Haas thread? I mean, really, how hard is it to simply write something like "2025 Haas F1 team thread"?

 

And why can't Brits pronounce it correctly? It's pronounced "hoss", not "has".

Why aim it at the Brits? I don’t think I’ve heard any English speaking nation pronounce it ‘hoss’, nor a couple of non-English nations. Not saying you’re not correct in the pronunciation (although I’ve never heard anyone pronounce it like that), just saying it’s not a ‘Brit’ thing.

 

I’ve only ever heard it pronounced to rhyme with ‘arse’ or ‘ass’.

Edited by IrvTheSwerve, 26 January 2025 - 12:47.

[PayasYouRace]

Its Gene’s name and the way he pronounces it is correct.

[lio007]

You can hear Gene's pronounciation in this video at around 52 seconds:
https://youtu.be/g9U...j0KTc8c0Knx7Qg6

Edited by lio007, 26 January 2025 - 16:18.

[PayasYouRace]

You can hear Gene's pronounciation in this video at around 54 seconds:
https://youtu.be/g9U...j0KTc8c0Knx7Qg6

Nice one. Definitely not “Hoss”.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Its Gene’s name and the way he pronounces it is correct.

 

I might start pronouncing Marc Gene as 'Mark Jeen'.

 

Or even, 'Gené Hoss'.

Edited by IrvTheSwerve, 26 January 2025 - 15:57.

[Jellyfishcake]

Nice one. Definitely not “Hoss”.

 

Sounds like 'Hass' to me

I would have expected if it was pronouced Hoss someone from the Haas team to have told the media/F1 by now seeing as they've been saying ti the same way since 2016

[Mario5]

You can hear Gene's pronounciation in this video at around 52 seconds:
https://youtu.be/g9U...j0KTc8c0Knx7Qg6

There has been a Haas involved in American racing for over 40 years, first with Newman/Haas in Indycar (different Haas, but same pronunciation) and then Gene's 20 years in NASCAR, first by himself and then teaming up with Tony Steward to form Stewart-Haas Racing, and never once has the name ever been pronounced as anything other than "hoss", rhymes with "boss". If you want to be really technical about it, the phonetic spelling would be more similar to "hahss" but that's a very subtle variation. Nowhere, at any time, has there ever been a "z" sound in the name. It is not "has" or "haz" or "hahz". It's a soft "s" sound.

[PayasYouRace]

There has been a Haas involved in American racing for over 40 years, first with Newman/Haas in Indycar (different Haas, but same pronunciation) and then Gene's 20 years in NASCAR, first by himself and then teaming up with Tony Steward to form Stewart-Haas Racing, and never once has the name ever been pronounced as anything other than "hoss", rhymes with "boss". If you want to be really technical about it, the phonetic spelling would be more similar to "hahss" but that's a very subtle variation. Nowhere, at any time, has there ever been a "z" sound in the name. It is not "has" or "haz" or "hahz". It's a soft "s" sound.

Try 60 years, and if it were “hoss, rhymes with boss”, someone would have said it like that in that time.

[BRG]

There has been a Haas involved in American racing for over 40 years, first with Newman/Haas in Indycar (different Haas, but same pronunciation) and then Gene's 20 years in NASCAR, first by himself and then teaming up with Tony Steward to form Stewart-Haas Racing, and never once has the name ever been pronounced as anything other than "hoss", rhymes with "boss". If you want to be really technical about it, the phonetic spelling would be more similar to "hahss" but that's a very subtle variation. Nowhere, at any time, has there ever been a "z" sound in the name. It is not "has" or "haz" or "hahz". It's a soft "s" sound.

So it's "hoss" but pronounced "hahss"?   

[midgrid]

It's worth remembering that different dialects of English pronounce vowels differently, so "Haas" as said in the video may rhyme with "boss" in various American dialetics, even if it doesn't in British dialects.

 

Edit: go to Google translate, type in "boss" and click on the speaker icon.  When I don't "expand" the Google translate module, the voice is American, but when I do, it's British (I'm not sure if this can be changed, or if it's an automated geolocation feature), and there's a clear difference in the vowel sound between the two.  American "boss" definitely rhymes with Haas!

[BarryinIN]

How about this: It doesn’t rhyme with “mass”.

[Mario5]

Try 60 years, and if it were “hoss, rhymes with boss”, someone would have said it like that in that time.

I'm assuming you only listen to those that pronounce it incorrectly. Are you from the U.S.? I didn't think so. And like the post below me said, perhaps the best way to remember it would be:

 

How about this: It doesn’t rhyme with “mass”.

 

 

Moreover, here are the phonetic spellings and pronunciations for "boss" in American English vs. British English.

 

Boss — pronunciation: audio and phonetic transcription
boss
American English:
[ˈbɑs] IPA
/bAHs/ phonetic spelling


British English:
[ˈbɒs] IPA
/bOs/ phonetic spelling

 

So when I wrote that "If you want to be really technical about it, the phonetic spelling would be more similar to 'hahss' but that's a very subtle variation," that follows the phonetic spelling for "boss" above where it is shown as "/bAHs/". So, Team HAAS is pronounced as Team "/hAHs/" in American English. And I'm done with this because if you pronounce it differently, you're wrong.

Edited by Mario5, 30 January 2025 - 19:07.

[IrvTheSwerve]

British bihaas.

[PayasYouRace]

I'm assuming you only listen to those that pronounce it incorrectly. Are you from the U.S.? I didn't think so. And like the post below me said, perhaps the best way to remember it would be:

 

 

Moreover, here are the phonetic spellings and pronunciations for "boss" in American English vs. British English.

 

 

So when I wrote that "If you want to be really technical about it, the phonetic spelling would be more similar to 'hahss' but that's a very subtle variation," that follows the phonetic spelling for "boss" above where it is shown as "/bAHs/". So, Team HAAS is pronounced as Team "/hAHs/" in American English. And I'm done with this because if you pronounce it differently, you're wrong.

This is how I’ve always pronounced it, and how I’ve always heard it said.

[BRG]

 And I'm done with this because if you pronounce it differently, you're wrong.

Congratulations.  You have finally tied yourself in knots.  

 

You are right and everyone else is wrong. 

[ATM]

I was complaining the season was too long and the winter break too short. But twiddling my fingers discussing liveries and phonetics makes me reconsider;I might warm up to a February season start în the future.

(Or maybe even the 15th of January, if I'm not asking too much).

[PayasYouRace]

OK OK.

 

Phonetics are hard enough at the best of times, especially when talking across the Atlantic.

 

Anyone got some actual news about the team?

[IrvTheSwerve]

OK OK.

 

Phonetics are hard enough at the best of times, especially when talking across the Atlantic.

 

Anyone got some actual news about the team?

Esteban Akahrn and Ollie Bearmoon are raring to go!

[PayasYouRace]

Please stop insulting each other over pronunciation and other transatlantic trolling. It's incredibly tedious to moderate and it's always the same few people making it a thing.

 

New season, fresh start.

 

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