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[Joseki]

Sorry all, it was meant as a joke, but I left out the smiley. 

While it is not completely true, it is also not nonsense. He has a certain feeling to go to a less succesfull team always. Mclaren, Renault and Ferrari always had wins after him leaving. Same with Force India which had wins before he joined....

It is a fact that he is not lucky in his choices of teams to be honest. 

 

I'm sorry but "McLaren and Ferrari winning races" after a driver left happened for 60 years of this sport, it's not really an Alonso exclusive. The years in which McLaren and Ferrari didn't win races are few (a bit more for McLaren after Dennis).

Renault also really didn't win a race without Alonso. They won in 2012 as Lotus, but Renault 2007 and 2010 didn't wing anything.

Edited by Joseki, 01 April 2025 - 09:33.

[IrvTheSwerve]

I think it's fair to say that Alonso is always at the right place at the wrong time, at least since leaving McLaren after 07 (although the Ferrari years weren't that bad). It wouldn't be a surprise if this trend continues, Alonso leaving AM just as they become a success (he may not have a say in that decision however!).

[garoidb]

Sorry all, it was meant as a joke, but I left out the smiley. 

While it is not completely true, it is also not nonsense. He has a certain feeling to go to a less succesfull team always. Mclaren, Renault and Ferrari always had wins after him leaving. Same with Force India which had wins before he joined....

It is a fact that he is not lucky in his choices of teams to be honest. 

 

Red Bull and Brawn/Mercedes have been the dominant teams in the last sixteen years. If he had left one or both of them just before one of their streaks, there might be a point to be made. Relative to that, there's nothing to build a case with.  

[garoidb]

I think it's fair to say that Alonso is always at the right place at the wrong time, at least since leaving McLaren after 07 (although the Ferrari years weren't that bad). It wouldn't be a surprise if this trend continues, Alonso leaving AM just as they become a success (he may not have a say in that decision however!).

 

The right place since 2009 has been, at different times, Mercedes or Red Bull. He has never been in those teams at any time, let alone the wrong times. 

Edited by garoidb, 01 April 2025 - 16:45.

[Red5ive]

The only thing Alonso is going to be swapping is an Aston F1 car for a deckchair - permanently.

Edited by Red5ive, 05 April 2025 - 13:46.

[kumo7]

Unbelievable negativity to this well-performing person. He is a wonder of a sportmen. 

[SirPaulGerman]

I don’t think Ver is going to Aston any time soon.
The car is garbage, and the team too

[MRX94]

I don’t think Ver is going to Aston any time soon.
The car is garbage, and the team too

Agreed. Highly doubtful Newey will be able to immediately turn this ship around.
I think he will stick it out in Red Bull for 2026, and after that there will be seats available in Mercedes and Ferrari, and why not even McLaren if things go bad between Norris and Piastri.

[F1 Mike]

I can't see things going bad for Norris & Piastri. They'll battle it out, but even if there are a few incidents and disagreements, even if Lando starts to slip behind in the standings to Piastri... why would you leave the best performing team on the grid? Look what happened to Ricciardo.

I feel like the most likely team Max will land in is Mercedes if he goes anywhere for 2026

Edited by F1 Mike, 06 April 2025 - 13:57.

[Disgrace]

I don’t think Ver is going to Aston any time soon.
The car is garbage, and the team too

We were saying the same about late 2012 Mercedes.

[garoidb]

We were saying the same about late 2012 Mercedes.

 

We would also have been saying similar things about a few other teams too. Mercedes won a race in 2012. It all depends on Honda in my opinion but any effect of Newey is much more nuanced and would not necessarily overpower all the challenges of bringing AM from where they are now to where they need to be.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Before jumping to any conclusion, let's see if Max Verstappen can take the championship down to the wire with this car, if so, then maybe I might recognize that Max is slowly improving to get a little bit closer to Fernando Alonso's level.

Edited by RainyAfterlifeDaylight, 06 April 2025 - 19:59.

[kumo7]

Before jumping to any conclusion, let's see if Max Verstappen can take the championship down to the wire with this car, if so, then maybe I might recognize that Max is slowly improving to get a little bit closer to Fernando Alonso's level.

 

I do expect it is almost certain that Max will be in a competitive position, if not fighting for the title.

But I must say, at this point, it may appear that it is Max and Max only who can take so much out of this car. Also, Max is actively voicing his unhappiness with the car.

We will see some move from Red Bull side as well, if Red Bull were to direct engineering team to change the current direction to somewhat more an easy car to drive.

 

If Stroll were serious about taking Max in to one of his car, then in the mid season the talk will continue. It depends.