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[A3]

I think it’s weird when Max only has 12 pole out of 22 pole positions, it’s because some teams have a stronger qualifying car. When McLaren doesn’t, it’s because the drivers underdelivered.

 

I think it's weird that someone says you're defelecting and to look at what happened today and in response.... you're deflecting....

 

From what I've seen so far the McLaren is the strongest car. Both in quali and definitely in the race. It's much easier on the tyres than the Red Bull.

 

As was said before, Piastri had purple in S2 and S3 and he had a yellow in S1. That's leaving someting on the table, somple as that.

Edited by A3, Today, 10:43.

[Button4life]

I find it interesting that most people agreed Alonso was the best driver between 2010 and 2014 because of his consistency (apart of 2010). The general opinion was that Hamilton, Vettel and ( according to some even Webber) were faster in qualifying.

Yet when it’s the same case for Max. It can’t be possible because he’s Max…

Edited by Button4life, Today, 10:42.

[Mc_Silver]

I doubt any driver would have every race bar 1. I will say Russell, Leclerc and Norris would’ve got more than 12 pole positions that season.

Yep, I meant drivers like Lando, Charles, George there.

[Radion]

Max is going to win this championship as well.

That's how a superior driver he is compared to the rest.

[Heyli]

I find it interesting that most people agreed Alonso was the best driver between 2010 and 2014 because of his consistency (apart of 2010). The general opinion was that Hamilton, Vettel and ( according to some even Webber) were better in qualifying.

Yet when it’s the same case for Max. It can’t be possible because he’s Max…

I think there's plenty of people who agree with that. I also dont think Max is necessarily the best qualifier (and I would like to see him tested in a team with a proven strong qualifier like Russell or Leclerc). I wouldnt be too focussedd on the opinions of the die hard fans tbh. I am sure during Alonso times there were also plenty of people who thought he could walk (or drive) on water . 

[BertoC]

All of you are missing the point of what started this discussion. It was said, in typical htperbolic fashion, that Oscar and Lando should be "embarassed" by losing pole today. But even if the best driver of all times sometimes misses poles in dominant cars... should they really feel embarassed?

[Ruudbackus]

Most of the drivers would have easily won %92 of the races in that rocketship. We are talking about the most dominant car in F1 history. If truths make you sour, it's not my problem.

Lol, you must be a newbie to f1 then. The level of consistency in that season is something not even the likes of Schumacher or Hamilton achieved in cars that were just as dominant as the redbull. The mercedes in 2014-2016 was as dominant, the Ferrari in 2002 and 2004 was as dominant, the mclaren in 1988 was the most dominant car ever especially that mechanical failures were much often happening in the 80 and 90s then they are now. Yes the redbull was the fastest car that season but you still have to deliver it each and every time. That is what makes the 2023 season special, those are stats I feel we will not likely see again.  He crushed records over a 22-race season that were set in much shorter season when it comes to %of points gained, % of races won and so on.

 

I have seen no other driver delivering the absolute maximum out of a car like Verstappen is doing. Schumacher to me is the closest in that manner.

[PrinceBira]

I think it’s weird when Max only has 12 pole out of 22 pole positions, it’s because some teams have a stronger qualifying car. When McLaren doesn’t, it’s because the drivers underdelivered.

If Verstappen had poor banker laps or lost time in his second Q3 run he didn’t maximize either in that year.

Do point out these occassions though, would help to have some substance over form.

I think it’s far more interesting to see how everyone did today compared to 2023.

For tomorrow, I see Mclaren pushing hard at the end of the stints and Verstappen at best P3. Will depend on tire wear. Verstappen still complainer a lot about understeer in his Q3 analysis.

[A3]

I find it interesting that most people agreed Alonso was the best driver between 2010 and 2014 because of his consistency (apart of 2010). The general opinion was that Hamilton, Vettel and ( according to some even Webber) were faster in qualifying.

Yet when it’s the same case for Max. It can’t be possible because he’s Max…

 

It can be, but what he showed today wasn't about consistency. He pulled something off that noboday thought would happen. Drivers and pundits acknowledged this. That car, as it is at this moment, doesn't belong on pole. 

[AlexPrime]

What Max did is alien. 

[Button4life]

It can be, but what he showed today wasn't about consistency. He pulled something off that noboday thought would happen. Drivers and pundits acknowledged this. That car, as it is at this moment, doesn't belong on pole.

Maybe I haven’t explained my point clearly. I think Max drove a brilliant lap today. I think Norris and Piastri did a good job, but could’ve done a better job. This doesn’t mean they underdelivered.

There were many instances in 2023 where Max drove a good lap but others drove better laps. This doesn’t mean Max underdelivered. It just means another driver performed better. Otherwise Max must’ve left something on the table many times during 2023.

Edited by Button4life, Today, 10:56.

[Ruudbackus]

All of you are missing the point of what started this discussion. It was said, in typical htperbolic fashion, that Oscar and Lando should be "embarassed" by losing pole today. But even if the best driver of all times sometimes misses poles in dominant cars... should they really feel embarassed?

Yeah that was one member saying that they should be embarresed. I think they (Mclaren) could have gotten pole had everything come together. They will make it up tomorrow as I have no doubt the Mclaren is the fastest car out there (certainly in race pace). 

[Ruudbackus]

Maybe I haven’t explained my point clearly. I think Max drove a brilliant lap today. I think Norris and Piastri did a good job, but could’ve done a better job. This doesn’t mean they underdelivered.

There were many instances in 2023 where Max drove a good lap but others drove better laps. This doesn’t mean Max underdelivered. It just means another driver performed better. Otherwise Max must’ve left something on the table many times during 2023.

Yeah agree, I also feel today Redbull went all out for quali and it will show in the race tomorrow. Ferrari did that in 23 a few times as well, doing a good quali and eating tires for breakfast in the race. 

[KWSN - DSM]

There are no perfect laps.

 

Norris and Piastri have nothing to be embarrassed about, when looking at the times between the 3 fastest it is not the where did they lose which matter, it is where did he gain, they are so close, all three beat the previous fastest lap ever, had Verstappen not been there Norris's Pole would have been celebrated as a special lap which we will talk about for years.

 

They are all three extremely talented, today Max were able to maximize his lap and deliver better than Norris and Piastri - Max produced a lap which only the greatest can produce, which only happen on rare occasion since it takes something very, very special to actually do it.

Edited by KWSN - DSM, Today, 11:00.

[Mc_Silver]

There are no perfect laps.

Norris and Piastri have nothing to be embarrassed about, when looking at the times between the 3 fastest it is not the where did they lose which matter, it is where did he gain, they are so close, all three beat the previous fastest lap ever, had Verstappen not been there Norris's Pole would have been celebrated as a special lap which we will talk about for years.

They are all three extremely talented, today Max were able to maximize his lap and deliver better than Norris and Piastri - Max produced a lap which only the greatest can produce, which only happen on rare occasion since it takes something very, very special to actually do it.

This. Lewis, Fernando, Lando and Charles all had many special qualifying laps in their careers as well. The important thing is to acknowledge all of them and give credit where its due without bullying or downplaying other drivers in the meantime.

Edited by Mc_Silver, Today, 11:14.

[A3]

Maybe I haven’t explained my point clearly. I think Max drove a brilliant lap today. I think Norris and Piastri did a good job, but could’ve done a better job. This doesn’t mean they underdelivered.

Piastri lost 3 tenths in S1 and then went on to set 2 purple sectors. The car obviously was capable of more in S1, he said that last S1 was not his best, so when is someone under delivering? I understand they're all humans, but there's no shame in admitting he didn't get everything out of the car when it mattered most.

Edited by A3, Today, 11:19.

[A3]

Yeah agree, I also feel today Redbull went all out for quali and it will show in the race tomorrow. Ferrari did that in 23 a few times as well, doing a good quali and eating tires for breakfast in the race.

Your opinion is opposite of that of Villeneuve. He thinks they focussed on the race because of the low downforce setup of the Red Bull.

[Button4life]

Your opinion is opposite of that of Villeneuve. He thinks they focussed on the race because of the low downforce setup of the Red Bull.

A low downforce set-up is always more qualifying orientated because it eats the tyres quicker in the race.