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#51 Baddoer

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Posted 10 May 2025 - 08:13

So... Whats the plan?

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#52 kumo7

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Posted 10 May 2025 - 08:24

There will be a 12th team and eventually a 13th. Toyota will be one of them.

 

Toyota to go with HAAS. So, who is the twelfth? Apple?



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Posted 10 May 2025 - 10:39

Toyota to go with HAAS. So, who is the twelfth? Apple?

 

Saudi Arabia, unless they buy Aston Martin outright and rename.



#54 kumo7

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Posted 10 May 2025 - 10:44

There is this talk on HK, Chinese participation. 



#55 HistoryFan

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Posted 10 May 2025 - 19:03

Don't think we'll see a 12th team, Toyota would be with Haas, Saudi Arabia will buy Aston Martin or Alpine I think if they enter Formula 1.



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Posted Yesterday, 06:50

There is this story that Trump ends the war and Russian regain its speed, thereby the Russian returning to the grid. For Mazpin, they lost some a few days ago I understood. But I assume there are somemore .... 



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Posted Yesterday, 08:50

There is this story that Trump ends the war and Russian regain its speed, thereby the Russian returning to the grid. For Mazpin, they lost some a few days ago I understood. But I assume there are somemore .... 

 

Most likely scenario if Russia is free trading again is that someone from Russia buys the whole of F1.



#58 FullThrottleF1

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Posted Yesterday, 09:51

Don't think we'll see a 12th team, Toyota would be with Haas, Saudi Arabia will buy Aston Martin or Alpine I think if they enter Formula 1.

Nah there will be a 12th team at some point



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Posted Yesterday, 09:55

Most likely scenario if Russia is free trading again is that someone from Russia buys the whole of F1.

 

The statement, yet again excluded your mindful intervention, rather describing it as a course of natural development...?



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#60 BRG

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Posted Yesterday, 10:13

Nah there will be a 12th team at some point

I think so too.  Andretti Cadillac have kicked the door open and exposed the current incumbents as greedy sleazebags and there is too much money to be made so someone is going to throw their hat into the ring sooner or later.  Neither FOM nor the FIA will put any obstacles in the way of another manufacturer (possibly Hyundai or a Chinese marque) and I do not see how the current teams could block a Middle Eastern financed bid, given that several of them are already partly/fully owned by Middle Easterners.



#61 The Passenger

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Posted Yesterday, 22:01

Not sure with 12 teams whether the race timing table will either fit on my tv screen or be readable with smaller font to fit. Details, people!

Also, seriously, let's not forget safety. Is it putting drivers at too much risk having 4 more cars cars going into the first turn?

#62 noikeee

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Posted Yesterday, 22:21

Also, seriously, let's not forget safety. Is it putting drivers at too much risk having 4 more cars cars going into the first turn?


They should all stay at home in a room all made of soft fabric feathers and pillows instead of racing, that should be the safest.

#63 danmills

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Posted Yesterday, 22:28

Not sure with 12 teams whether the race timing table will either fit on my tv screen or be readable with smaller font to fit. Details, people!

Also, seriously, let's not forget safety. Is it putting drivers at too much risk having 4 more cars cars going into the first turn?

 

Lol 4 more cars, with the length of the extended grid, the front 8 will have already made the first turn before the back quarter are even approaching.

 

Non issue.



#64 The Passenger

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Posted Yesterday, 22:32

I'm a worrier. Sue me.

#65 kumo7

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Posted Today, 04:02

I think so too.  Andretti Cadillac have kicked the door open and exposed the current incumbents as greedy sleazebags and there is too much money to be made so someone is going to throw their hat into the ring sooner or later.  Neither FOM nor the FIA will put any obstacles in the way of another manufacturer (possibly Hyundai or a Chinese marque) and I do not see how the current teams could block a Middle Eastern financed bid, given that several of them are already partly/fully owned by Middle Easterners.

 

If the logic of F1 team fratelnity is to accept manufacturor and disguise teams.

Saudi Arabia has no car manufacturer unless it purchases one, neither HK has a car maker with ICU, Chinese are not so much into ICU, rather in E-business. 

Then yes, I can see Hyndai coming in, as they are already busy with WRC. But, a mark busy itself with WRC do not join F1 historically, tho.

US, then