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[SophieB]

[Nicktendo86]

I thought these were a black and white clear infringements (remember Lando getting a penalty during a race last year?

Edited by Nicktendo86, 04 May 2025 - 23:32.

[Autodromo]

RB is running the simulations now and will produce pictures in the morning.....

[zeph]

And this is why: https://x.com/wearet...Ty8io9wmaeyXa4Q

[Analog]

It cannot be a difficult investigation because surely all mini sectors are stored and time-stamped?

[Myrvold]

Of course they have.

 

But man, if Russell didn't slow down, I hope he gets a proper penalty, and that the FIA follows up on it. Yellow flags, pit speed, pit incidents etc. are serious safety issues.

[Myrvold]

X-post from the race thread:
 

Gasly and Sainz being let off with a warning for not slowing down for yellows.
 

[Myrvold]

Verdict: Protest Rejected: Snipped in pictures:

 

[onewingedangel]

Decision is in: The Protest is rejected as it is not founded.

Final race classification also uploaded.

[Mika Mika]

If this was Max Mosley times Red Bull would now be charged with bringing the sport into dispute…

Maybe we need to consider the consequences of continued trivalent protests? In many legal systems there are measures and remedies for such behaviors…

[Yoshi]

The wording on point 13 is weird... How can you go slower than racing speed, but be faster through the zone?

[Radoye]

The wording on point 13 is weird... How can you go slower than racing speed, but be faster through the zone?

For example, he entered the zone at 100 kph and his speed increased to 110 through the zone. But under normal racing conditions he would be reaching 150 there. So while his speed increased slightly in absolute terms, it was still significantly slower than normal racing speed that would be achieved under full throttle.

[KWSN - DSM]

The wording on point 13 is weird... How can you go slower than racing speed, but be faster through the zone?

 

Exactly, this was not just a shot in the dark, clearly Verstappen slowed and saw Russell moved further away, he questioned, Red Bull looked at it, and since race control did not pass for investigation protested, I have to presume that you can now increase your speed through a yellow zone, which I understood as being the very thing they did not want to happen in a yellow zone.

 

 

Offender was Russell so there is that.

[Ben1980]

When lando was penalized in Qatar, which was fair, I recall the talk was Max lifted just enough in the same moment. Just enough has always been the way, hasn't it?

[lewislorenzo]

Of course they have.

But man, if Russell didn't slow down, I hope he gets a proper penalty, and that the FIA follows up on it. Yellow flags, pit speed, pit incidents etc. are serious safety issues.

Keep that same energy for yesterday’s sprint pit incident

[Bloggsworth]

Red Bull would protest how many spoons of sugar another team put in its driver's coffee  if the thought that they could obtain an advantage - They're miserable pleaders...

[PayasYouRace]

If this was Max Mosley times Red Bull would now be charged with bringing the sport into dispute…

Maybe we need to consider the consequences of continued trivalent protests? In many legal systems there are measures and remedies for such behaviors…

It might have been trivial but if Red bull felt they had been wronged they deserve their chance to have it looked at officially.

[Ali_G]

Red Bull would protest how many spoons of sugar another team put in its driver's coffee if the thought that they could obtain an advantage - They're miserable pleaders...

They’re not. Every team is at it. The difference is that people complain when Red Bull do anything.

[Dalton007]

Max said he wasn't bothered about coming fourth and missing out on the podium, but he and the team felt otherwise when they felt GR gained an advantage and protested the result.

[Nicktendo86]

Exactly, this was not just a shot in the dark, clearly Verstappen slowed and saw Russell moved further away, he questioned, Red Bull looked at it, and since race control did not pass for investigation protested, I have to presume that you can now increase your speed through a yellow zone, which I understood as being the very thing they did not want to happen in a yellow zone.


Offender was Russell so there is that.

If the yellow zone is a significantly faster section then the proceeding section of course you will increase speed no matter what. If a car comes out of a corner at breaking speed then hits a yellow flag do you expect it to carry on at a crawl?

[lewislorenzo]

They’re not. Every team is at it. The difference is that people complain when Red Bull do anything.

That’s because they usually get away with things😂

[KWSN - DSM]

When lando was penalized in Qatar, which was fair, I recall the talk was Max lifted just enough in the same moment. Just enough has always been the way, hasn't it?

 

It has.

 

I just never knew or understood that you could increase your speed in the yellow zone after the lift, intuitively I thought it was 'lift and do not exceed the speed you went down to until you are out of the yellow zone' - I think odds are good that I was far from alone in that misconception.

[KWSN - DSM]

Red Bull would protest how many spoons of sugar another team put in its driver's coffee  if the thought that they could obtain an advantage - They're miserable pleaders...

 

All teams will protest when they believe a penalty should be accessed, sometimes teams do win these protests. 

[KWSN - DSM]

If the yellow zone is a significantly faster section then the proceeding section of course you will increase speed no matter what. If a car comes out of a corner at breaking speed then hits a yellow flag do you expect it to carry on at a crawl?

 

Before and after the yellow zone I understand, I just never understood that you could increase your speed in the yellow zone.

[AlexPrime]

Max said he wasn't bothered about coming fourth and missing out on the podium, but he and the team felt otherwise when they felt GR gained an advantage and protested the result.

The team probably still believes they can turn the situation around with a good uprgrade, but Max doubts it 

[garoidb]

The team probably still believes they can turn the situation around with a good uprgrade, but Max doubts it 

 

The points gap to championship leader is beginning to open up. It's now 32 points, compared to 12 after the previous race and less before that. 

[Tsarwash]

The points gap to championship leader is beginning to open up. It's now 32 points, compared to 12 after the previous race and less before that. 

Max has not been in this position since the start of '22.

[Myrvold]

It has.

 

I just never knew or understood that you could increase your speed in the yellow zone after the lift, intuitively I thought it was 'lift and do not exceed the speed you went down to until you are out of the yellow zone' - I think odds are good that I was far from alone in that misconception.

 

Qatar 2024. The lap after the "famous" one. It had changed from double waved to single waved. Verstappen lifted, but didn't slow down. Piastri, Leclerc and one other just went flat. Not a single investigation or anything.

It's been like this under single yellows for a long long time. I guess Häkkinen with his raised arm is the most famous example.

 

Keep that same energy for yesterday’s sprint pit incident

 

And what is that supposed to mean?