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[ArchieTech]

"Appreciate greatness in the moment."

 

Well said Mr Buxton

[PayasYouRace]

Hmmm...whats the record for consecutive victories in Indycar?

I know there are a few four on the trot examples out there.

[B Squared]

The Indy car comparison to AJ is understandable, but AJ was also running sports cars, stock cars, dirt cars, etc..

[PayasYouRace]

Buxton trying to spin the domination into something worth watching is going to make me sick. Time to turn off I think.

[OvDrone]

15th win for Palou, equaling legends like Zanardi, Montoya and Pagenaud.

[paulb]

^What everybody just said about Palou’s and CGRs dominance. It looks so effortless too. Annnnd, no WAG shots for those that decry the tradition.

[JHSingo]

Palou definitely needs to turn the difficulty settings up. This is getting silly now.   

 

Palou wins to cement his position as the standard in IndyCar. Cadillac if you do not hire him for your F1 team, shame on you.

 

I bet the rest of the grid are hoping he buggers off to F1 next year, too...

[Lotus72b]

Veekay finishes 9th, Dixon finishes 5th, & Armstrong finishes 7th

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Mr Penske must be seething seeing this domination from CGR and Palou.

Another thing, how demoralising must it be for the rest of the drivers, this is a SPEC series and he’s just bludgeoning them all. Qualifying was his weakness before but now he’s getting pole positions consistently, so if he starts near the front he’s almost unbeatable.

[Sabre1977]

Hmmm...whats the record for consecutive victories in Indycar?

Indycar... 3

Usac... 7 (AJ Foyt)

[FLB]

The Indy car comparison to AJ is understandable, but AJ was also running sports cars, stock cars, dirt cars, etc..

Palou does sportscars from time to time.

[prommer]

Bizet > pyro

[AntSinistra]

Time for the champagne!!!!!!

-we don't have any...


How difficult can it be to set a proper podium celebration?

(edit: the announcer said it was time to spray the champagne, but no bottles had been handed out to the drivers)

Edited by AntSinistra, 10 May 2025 - 22:58.

[paulb]

The Indy car comparison to AJ is understandable, but AJ was also running sports cars, stock cars, dirt cars, etc..

That was one of the revelations for me reading the Garner biography. He was constantly racing and usually competitive for wins.

[FLB]

Bizet > pyro

[August]

Palou does sportscars from time to time.

We need Palou at the Chili Bowl!

[nivoglibina]

This was the best race of the season, lots of action throughout the field.   

Is it due to the mandatory 2 seats each rule?

[rodlamas]

Time for the champagne!!!!!!

-we don't have any...


How difficult can it be to set a proper podium celebration?

(edit: the announcer said it was time to spray the champagne, but no bottles had been handed out to the drivers)

They are so amateurish. It is bizarre.

[red stick]

Palou does sportscars from time to time.

Wake me when he's one for one at LeMans.

[FLB]

Why are there so many goddamn races this Saturday ? I should've prepared in advance lol

I've even found one more for you:

 

[jonpollak]

Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 11 May 2025 - 00:41.

[Jellyfishcake]

Having Newgarden drop to the rear at the start, Herta lap down and Malukus DNF was a fantastic scoring weekend for me haha

[Anja]

Having Newgarden drop to the rear at the start, Herta lap down and Malukus DNF was a fantastic scoring weekend for me haha

 

I forgot to sign new drivers and had only 3 for this race. And the lineup? Simpson / Siegel / Lundgaard... 

[Henri Greuter]

Time for the champagne!!!!!!

-we don't have any...


How difficult can it be to set a proper podium celebration?

(edit: the announcer said it was time to spray the champagne, but no bottles had been handed out to the drivers)

Whate else to expect at Indianapolis than Milk?

 

Oh sorry, wrong event.

[jonpollak]

I forgot to sign new drivers and had only 3 for this race. And the lineup? Simpson / Siegel / Lundgaard...

And there I was thinking… ex-champion must have a tactic going on here….
 
Also, How about that Bobby Shwartzman !!
 


Jp

[djparky]

Palou is making them all look a bit stupid.

[SenorSjon]

VeeKay being sacked by ECR has been a blessing in disguise. He must be catching the eye of the top teams again.

You do wonder where all that extra cash ECR got went (again). They killed their loyal golden goose without even blinking an eye.

[Frood]

Race pace, not taking into account pitstop laps and the restart, plus the single worst laptime dropped. Palou's consistency looks bad, but that's because his final stint after passing Rahal was so much faster. Abel off the bottom of the table for the first time. Newgarden's race pace worse than Shwartzman's. In fact, he's had an absolutely miserable opening five races, having been the worst Penske in terms of race pace in every race so far, and only beating either Power or McLaughlin to the flag once. The 500 can't come soon enough.

Pos  Driver       Avg Lap  %age      St.Dev
 1.  Palou         72.923  100.000%   0.560
 2.  O Ward        73.108  100.253%   0.400
 3.  Power         73.176  100.347%   0.364
 4.  McLaughlin    73.203  100.384%   0.366
 5.  Dixon         73.268  100.473%   0.396
 6.  Herta         73.268  100.473%   0.639
 7.  Rahal         73.309  100.530%   0.450
 8.  Armstrong     73.352  100.588%   0.399
 9.  Kirkwood      73.415  100.674%   0.443
10.  Rosenqvist    73.418  100.679%   0.607
11.  Lundgaard     73.459  100.735%   0.538
12.  VeeKay        73.461  100.738%   0.532
13.  Foster        73.544  100.852%   0.508
14.  Siegel        73.557  100.869%   0.415
15.  DeFrancesco   73.582  100.903%   0.512
16.  Shwartzman    73.586  100.909%   0.628
17.  Newgarden     73.595  100.921%   0.472
18.  Rossi         73.613  100.946%   0.481
19.  Abel          73.643  100.987%   0.401
20.  Malukas       73.695  101.059%   0.478          
21.  Daly          73.700  101.066%   0.536
22.  Rasmussen     73.704  101.072%   0.611
23.  Ferrucci      73.813  101.220%   0.472
24.  Ilott         73.865  101.292%   0.713
25.  Robb          73.891  101.327%   0.673
26.  Ericsson      too few laps completed
27.  Simpson       did not start

Team-mates compared:

Andretti   Herta        100.000%
           Kirkwood     100.200%
           Ericsson     N/A

Carpenter  Rossi        100.000%
           Rasmussen    100.125%

Coyne      VeeKay       100.000%
           Abel         100.247%

Foyt       Malukas      100.000%
           Ferrucci     100.159%

Ganassi    Palou        100.000%
           Dixon        100.473%
           Simpson      N/A

Juncos     Daly         100.000%
           Robb         100.258%

McLaren    O Ward       100.000%
           Lundgaard    100.481%
           Siegel       100.614%

Penske     Power        100.000%
           McLaughlin   100.037%
           Newgarden    100.572%

Rahal      Rahal        100.000%
           Foster       100.320%
           DeFrancesco  100.371%

Shank      Armstrong    100.000%
           Rosenqvist   100.090%

Pit cycle times. Herta and Ilott pushed onto 4-stops with issues, Ferrucci's last stop is difficult to quantify as he was the only car that stopped under yellow. RLL squandering their good race pace with poor pitstops; Prema continue to struggle horribly.

 

[red stick]

Thanks for all the (shudders) math!

[juicy sushi]

If Palou wins the 500 they might as well declare the mercy rule and hand him the title.

[Jim Thurman]

The Indy car comparison to AJ is understandable, but AJ was also running sports cars, stock cars, dirt cars, etc..

That was one of the revelations for me reading the Garner biography. He was constantly racing and usually competitive for wins.

Even though I was quite young, I do remember that time when drivers drove literally everything and every time they could.

 

Though I do like to point out when this is romanticized that this versatility was mainly due to fewer races in the top series, which provided more open dates, and manufacturers contracts (Firestone, Goodyear, Ford, etc.), along with less money to be made, so drivers raced as often as possible to earn a good living.

[Henri Greuter]

If Palou wins the 500 they might as well declare the mercy rule and hand him the title.

 

I for one hope he wins it, if it wasn't for Veekay running into him it could have happened last year already.

And if he wins then at least there is no reason to doubt his status any longer since some people(not necessarily over here BTW)  rate an Indy victory making someone a to be higher rated driver than Palou, despite all he has achieved already.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 11 May 2025 - 17:33.

[Jim Thurman]

Eight years! This would surely be a record for time between wins if he pulls it off.

My first thought was Johnny Rutherford, 8 years, but...

 

Montoya!

...is given as the answer    Of course, Montoya was busy elsewhere for that period. For his part, Rutherford did miss all races save for the season opener one year, due to breaking both arms in a sprint car flip. Worse timing for him, it came the year immediately following his first win.

[FLB]

 

Though I do like to point out when this is romanticized that this versatility was mainly due to fewer races in the top series, which provided more open dates, and manufacturers contracts (Firestone, Goodyear, Ford, etc.), along with less money to be made, so drivers raced as often as possible to earn a good living.

That was true for F1 drivers as well, at least until Manfred Winkelhock and Stefan Bellof were killed in Porsches. I still have the 1984 Canadian Grand-Prix on a Beta tape somewhere. It featured an interview with some drivers about money. Jacques Laffitte was making $500,000 for Williams.

 

Thierry Boutsen said he had to drive sportscars to make a 'correct' living, in addition to F1. At the time, he occasionally raced in the German DRM as well as in the WSC/WEC. 

[Jim Thurman]

Humane Society for Boone County?

All the talk here, and no one noticed the Pasadena Humane Society on Herta's car at Long Beach? Or, worse, that I mentioned it in the Long Beach thread  (smh, you non-readers  )

 

I realize posts can get lost, but c'mon 

[Jim Thurman]

Getting rid of the double hairpin from the F1 days was the best thing to happen to this layout.

  Spot on, PAYR. I said the same thing to my brother as we watched yesterday, likely at almost the same time as you posted.

[10kDA]

The broadcast crew is really grating. I thought NBC's bunch was annoying but this team is on a par.

[Pete_f1]

Crash fan instead of race fan?

Not really but I do like a bit of (safe) drama and a good restart!

[Sabre1977]

If Palou wins the 500 they might as well declare the mercy rule and hand him the title.

 

If Palou wins the 500 this year Indycar teams should consider to make a collect to pay him a seat in F-1 for next year.    

[Frood]

Have we considered the possibility that the teams are simply letting Palou win? Keep gorging the man on fried chicken, and he won't be able to fit in the car by the end of the season. Problem solved.

Edited by Frood, 12 May 2025 - 08:52.

[Risil]

Have we considered the possibility that the teams are simply letting Palou win? Keep gorging the man on fried chicken, and he won't be able to fit in the car by the end of the season. Problem solved.

 

Rope a dope but for heart disease. Don't rule it out.

[Risil]

If Palou wins the 500 they might as well declare the mercy rule and hand him the title.

 
Late last year my Youtube algorithm went US college football crazy and I learned lots of things including how at the lower levels there is a rule where if a match-up is too one-sided, the teams can agree to call off the remainder of the tie rather than risk(?) a really large score being racked up. I have never heard of this in Europe, except I guess in something like boxing where you might stop a fight before somebody is hurt.
 
Anyway that's a total digression. But the Wikipedia page did conjure up this chilling scenario:
 

It is common in youth sports in North America, where running up the score is considered unsporting. It is especially common in baseball and softball in which there is no game clock and a dominant team could in theory continue an inning endlessly.

 

So presumably without the rule if you had a good baseball team (or for that matter a very bad one) you could prolong an innings indefinitely and escape math, exams, conversations about the future and all the other inconveniences of junior academia.

[SenorSjon]

I for one hope he wins it, if it wasn't for Veekay running into him it could have happened last year already.

And if he wins then at least there is no reason to doubt his status any longer since some people(not necessarily over here BTW)  rate an Indy victory making someone a to be higher rated driver than Palou, despite all he has achieved already.

 

If VK didn't have that moment, he could have won it as well as the car right behind the two of them just before the accident won the race.

[aportinga]

The broadcast crew is really grating. I thought NBC's bunch was annoying but this team is on a par.

 

Yeah the constant advert mentions of Shell "Renewable" and others is terrible. 

[Henri Greuter]

If VK didn't have that moment, he could have won it as well as the car right behind the two of them just before the accident won the race.

 

 

Now to rbelieve VK stood such a chance, that would have required a lot of confidence in Ed Carpenter Racing abilities and if anything, do you recall reasons to have faith in the abilities of them that year up unil the Month of May? Or therafter?

(Other than how they managed to repair the car in time on the first day of qualifying when Rinus had crashed it?)

Edited by Henri Greuter, 12 May 2025 - 13:08.

[juicy sushi]

 
Late last year my Youtube algorithm went US college football crazy and I learned lots of things including how at the lower levels there is a rule where if a match-up is too one-sided, the teams can agree to call off the remainder of the tie rather than risk(?) a really large score being racked up. I have never heard of this in Europe, except I guess in something like boxing where you might stop a fight before somebody is hurt.
 
Anyway that's a total digression. But the Wikipedia page did conjure up this chilling scenario:
 

 

So presumably without the rule if you had a good baseball team (or for that matter a very bad one) you could prolong an innings indefinitely and escape math, exams, conversations about the future and all the other inconveniences of junior academia.

Yeah, sandlot baseball rules when I was a kid was that the game was over if one of the teams was up by 10.  But that didn't mean we stopped playing, just that we admitted someone had already won.

[B Squared]

The broadcast crew is really grating. I thought NBC's bunch was annoying but this team is on a par.

I get really tired of them trying to make one of the modern drivers as the greatest ever. Their comparisons get quite annoying. It seems as if they want somebody/anybody in IndyCar to be to the greatest, as long as it's not somebody from the past.

I've got a personally shot video tape from 1981 on pit lane at Michigan in which Mario Andretti asks teammate Gordon Johncock about their team owner: "you know why he's an a******? Because he's an a******."

Using the same thought process, you know why past IndyCar greats are considered legends? because they're legends.

Edited by B Squared, 12 May 2025 - 15:02.

[red stick]

That's a corollary to one of my favorite observations:  Meet an a****** in the morning?  You've met an a******.  Meet a******s all day?  You're the a******!

[Risil]

I get really tired of them trying to make one of the modern drivers as the greatest ever. Their comparisons get quite annoying. It seems as if they want somebody/anybody in IndyCar to be to the greatest, as long as it's not somebody from the past.

I've got a personally shot video tape from 1981 on pit lane at Michigan in which Mario Andretti asks teammate Gordon Johncock about their team owner: "you know why he's an a******? Because he's an a******."

Using the same thought process, you know why past IndyCar greats are considered legends? because they're legends.

I agree it's tedious when people try and rewrite this stuff in the moment (these conversations about the greatest are really about tradition and memory rather than history). Doubly tedious when it's not even consciously done as a provocation to people like us!

[August]

 
Late last year my Youtube algorithm went US college football crazy and I learned lots of things including how at the lower levels there is a rule where if a match-up is too one-sided, the teams can agree to call off the remainder of the tie rather than risk(?) a really large score being racked up. I have never heard of this in Europe, except I guess in something like boxing where you might stop a fight before somebody is hurt.
 
Anyway that's a total digression. But the Wikipedia page did conjure up this chilling scenario:
 

 

So presumably without the rule if you had a good baseball team (or for that matter a very bad one) you could prolong an innings indefinitely and escape math, exams, conversations about the future and all the other inconveniences of junior academia.

Kinda reminds me of curling.

 

 

 

It is not uncommon for a team to concede a curling match after it believes it no longer has any hope of winning. Concession is an honourable act and does not carry the stigma associated with quitting. It also allows for more socializing. To concede a match, members of the losing team offer congratulatory handshakes to the winning team. Thanks, wishes of future good luck, and hugs are usually exchanged between the teams. To continue playing when a team has no realistic chance of winning can be seen as a breach of etiquette.

That bolded part is explained in the preceding chapter.

 

 

 

It is also traditional in some areas for the winning team to buy the losing team a drink after the game.