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[Bliman]

Max knows both McLaren drivers are thinking the long game and they can't risk DNF and lose so many points.

But Max is also playing the long game

[Deeq]

This is nonsense, sorry. Max got an opportunity that Piastri shouldt have given him. I know you like to paint Max like a maniac, but if Piastri would've braked normally, there's no way Max would have gone by. And Max is not going to go for a gap that isnt there.

Yep, piastri was playing a game.. & he lost.

[PrinceBira]

Max knows both McLaren drivers are thinking the long game and they can't risk DNF and lose so many points.

But what changed from Jeddah to Imola then?

Piastri was more than happy to be firm just a few weeks ago.

[Mc_Silver]

But what changed from Jeddah to Imola then?

Piastri was more than happy to be firm just a few weeks ago.

Yeah, I was surprised to see him braking that early and allow Max overtaking him so far behind.

[Heyli]

I also think LeClerc's move on Albon looked fine with the new racing guidelines? He was ahead, so he's allowed to push him off.

 

And Norris being either slightly ahead or behind Albon after he exited the pit, any videos on that? 

[F12689]

JV really does talk some bluntless, i love how transparent he is.

[SophieB]

I know this is probably just confirming what we all assumed, but I found it mildly interesting to see that the whole ‘give the place back and you avoid a stewards’ investigation’ is official.

 

[Deeq]

But what changed from Jeddah to Imola then?

Piastri was more than happy to be firm just a few weeks ago.

People has preconcieved notions*.. piastri couldnt do jack after his mistake, i.e assuming Max was far back & behind/beside Russell. He braked way too earlier..and was surprised (as was Max too..) Max ahead at him at the apex.
The good racer that he is, he simply accepted his medicine..let Max to the sunset.

*) that piastri would do stupid sh!t (multi car crash) to put Max in his place.

Edited by Deeq, Today, 15:41.

[SenorSjon]

JV really does talk some bluntless, i love how transparent he is.

Context?

[SophieB]

JV really does talk some bluntless, i love how transparent he is.

What did he say? At home we have turned over to watch the football.

[Anderis]

I also think LeClerc's move on Albon looked fine with the new racing guidelines? He was ahead, so he's allowed to push him off.

Albon was ahead to the apex according to Polish commentators. They called it a possible penalty before the investigation was opened by the stewards.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Albon was ahead to the apex according to Polish commentators. They called it a possible penalty before the investigation was opened by the stewards.

Ant on the SkyPad showed the onboard from Albon’s car and at the apex, his mirror was behind Leclerc’s front tyre which is the key point with the new rules.

[RedKloud]

Wonder if it was the upgrades that worked for RB or just that this track suits them better ?

[Kao18]

But what changed from Jeddah to Imola then?

Piastri was more than happy to be firm just a few weeks ago.

Miami happened. Mclaren and Piastri never expected Max would have the racepace and tire deg he showed today.

Zak and Mclaren were over confident they could make it up in the race.

[F12689]

Context?

 

What did he say? At home we have turned over to watch the football.

 

Basically called out Mclaren and there lack of decision making lool Jamie tried to give a more balanced answer but nope he wasn't having it 

[Button4life]

People has preconcieved notions*.. piastri couldnt do jack after his mistake, i.e assuming Max was far back & behind/beside Russell. He braked way too earlier..and was surprised (as was Max too..) Max ahead at him at the apex.
The good racer that he is, he simply accepted his medicine..let Max to the sunset.

*) that piastri would do stupid sh!t (multi car crash) to put Max in his place.

But but. I was told Norris should do that to make a statement…

[Button4life]

Wonder if it was the upgrades that worked for RB or just that this track suits them better ?

Red Bull is very strong at high speed tracks. They probably have the strongest car in high speed corners. It’s impressive they didn’t have any tyre wear issues. I guess the upgrades improved that

[RedRabbit]

Miami happened. Mclaren and Piastri never expected Max would have the racepace and tire deg he showed today.

Zak and Mclaren were over confident they could make it up in the race.

Yip, Oscar no doubt believed he would get it back later. But then Macca pulled the trigger on a 2 stop for him while Max was always 1 stopping.

I wonder if those early stoppers (Oscar, Aston Martins and Sainz) were suckered by Leclerc?

His pace after stopping for Hards was blinding, gaining 5 places while demolishing traffic.

[brucewayne]

Max is on a different level to the rest. Yes he sometimes goes over the line but it was so clear coming into the first corner he would end up leading and it was a sublime overtake.

Yes he got lucky with the timing of the safety cars but I don't think that really mattered today. Mclaren were poor..

Amd I hope their is a look at how long it took to get back to green racing at the safety car. That was ridiculous. 3 less laps and lewis may have got piastri.

Why I have bet on max. Vecause mcalren are focusing on each other and missing the elephant in the room

Max is one of a different kind, but he also benefits from the driver pairing at McLaren. I really see him win another title if Piastri/Norris can’t step up their game.

[brucewayne]

I know this is probably just confirming what we all assumed, but I found it mildly interesting to see that the whole ‘give the place back and you avoid a stewards’ investigation’ is official.

There is no penalty because that was fair driving by Leclerc. Was it hard? Yes. But looking at the ruling this year, this is never a penalty. The place given back saved the stewards face, not having to make them a laughing stock by a stupid decision.

[Kao18]

Yip, Oscar no doubt believed he would get it back later. But then Macca pulled the trigger on a 2 stop for him while Max was always 1 stopping.

I wonder if those early stoppers (Oscar, Aston Martins and Sainz) were suckered by Leclerc?

His pace after stopping for Hards was blinding, gaining 5 places while demolishing traffic.

To be fair the early stop was also a bit on Piastri himself complaining about his mediums that soon.

[sniper80]

Red Bull & kerbstones were not a good match in the 2nd half of last season, but today they impressed me a lot after a mediocre Miami weekend.

Verstappen already shortened the gap to Piastri with 10 points today.

For me, the amount of wear on Piastri's tyres is a bit strange... that was their strength in all the races so far this season. Suddenly they are behind Red Bull on pace & tyre wear. Hmmmmm..

[Bliman]

Basically called out Mclaren and there lack of decision making lool Jamie tried to give a more balanced answer but nope he wasn't having it 

What decision would they have made differently?

[Heyli]

It's a bit strange LeClerc wasnt investigated because he gave the position back, considering Albon did also lose a position to Hamilton thanks to that move. 

[Myrvold]

Basically called out Mclaren and there lack of decision making lool Jamie tried to give a more balanced answer but nope he wasn't having it 

 

I haven't watched it all over the weekend, but the times I have watched the pre/post stuff it feels like Chadwick have basically taken the "no major opinion, middle road" approach to everything.

[zeph]

Verstappen’s overtake on Piastri was unexpected, ballsy and decisive, bravo.

 

Not much going on after that, I napped through much of it. How did Sainz lose all those positions?

[Fortymark]

Verstappen’s overtake on Piastri was unexpected, ballsy and decisive, bravo.

 

Not much going on after that, I napped through much of it. How did Sainz lose all those positions?

 

I actually don´t agree on the bold part. More like Piastri is still naive when racing against Max, and like he said in the press conference

if he could do it again he would have braked 10 meters later.

That was almost embarrassing to witness. Now it probably didn´t make a difference in the the end anyway as the RedBull was clearly the faster car with better tire deg too. 

Max would never in a million years give up that place so easy if he was in pole and in Piastris car. 

 

If I was the manager at McLaren I would have told my drivers not to back off against Max in situations like these. Still, Max uses his old tactics of "move or we crash"

but as McLaren has two cars in front, Max is actually the one whom has most to lose in using these tactics. 

[Seb33]

I also think LeClerc's move on Albon looked fine with the new racing guidelines? He was ahead, so he's allowed to push him off.

 

It didn't look right to me. They should stick to old "racing guidelines" then.

[RedRabbit]

It didn't look right to me. They should stick to old "racing guidelines" then.

Like this situation where the outside car keeps hanging on to a lost cause?

Because that bit is the subtlety that most are missing. Not every type of corner lends itself to overtaking on the outside, or trying to keep position by staying on the outside. It's just reality, and it's a video game mindset to think otherwise.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

... I napped through much of it. How did Sainz lose all those positions?

He napped as well 

[PayasYouRace]

Having caught up with C4 highlights and taking a "stream of consciousness" type of notes, here are my thoughts.

 

• Verstappen's turn 1 move for the lead was supremely brave, given the unknowns of the first lap, what sort of grip you'll have, etc. Won him the race, as it allowed him to use Red Bull's superior pace today. And Red Bull were fastest today. Max was 9 seconds in front before the VSC.
• The Russell/Norris battle was superb, and Lando's move round the outside of Villeneuve was the best overtake of the season so far. Brilliant move.
• I don't really understand the early stop for Piastri. Field spread is so small nowadays that an early stop like that gets you stuck in the midfield so easly. On the other hand, Piastri recovered through the field quite well. In fact, overtaking seemed quite good throughout the field. Certainly a far cry from the Imola processions of the early 2000s.
• Was very impressed with the no-stoppers Albon, Hadjar, Kimi and Lewis after the VSC. Really worked for them.
• I enjoyed the moment of Alonso bemoaning his luck. I really feel for him.
• Ferrari recovered quite well during the race.
• The full SC for Kimi's retirement seemed gratuitous, given it wasn't necessary for Ocon.
• McLaren's sticky pit stops are a problem they'll have to sort out.
• Was impressed with the McLaren's battling at the end. Another good move from Lando. I think McLaren are going to have to be extra careful from now on. Red Bull have caught them to the point that they are going to be alternating who's fastest depending on the circuit. When Red Bull are fast, Max will win, and McLaren could easily find themselves fighting each other too much.
• Leclerc on Albon was one of the dirtiest things I've seen for a while. Glad he had to give the place back. Even though Lewis got them both. Great result for Lewis given yesterday though.
• Albon gets my DotD. Another great job, though Sainz was also quick but got a bit screwed with strategy.

 

Overall I'm hoping the fight stays close and clean between Red Bull and McLaren, and maybe have Ferrari, Mercedes and Williams close up a bit too. We don't need another consecutive WDC. We need a new WDC.

[PayasYouRace]

Like this situation where the outside car keeps hanging on to a lost cause?

Because that bit is the subtlety that most are missing. Not every type of corner lends itself to overtaking on the outside, or trying to keep position by staying on the outside. It's just reality, and it's a video game mindset to think otherwise.

 

Well we know Tamburello leads itself to overtaking on the outside, as was demonstrated very nicely a couple of times today. It works because then you're on the inside for the second part.

 

We also saw that Villeneuve lends itself to outside moves for the same reason.

 

As always, if drivers keep it fair, we can have good racing.

[AlcidioG]

Having caught up with C4 highlights and taking a "stream of consciousness" type of notes, here are my thoughts.

 

• Verstappen's turn 1 move for the lead was supremely brave, given the unknowns of the first lap, what sort of grip you'll have, etc. Won him the race, as it allowed him to use Red Bull's superior pace today. And Red Bull were fastest today. Max was 9 seconds in front before the VSC.
• The Russell/Norris battle was superb, and Lando's move round the outside of Villeneuve was the best overtake of the season so far. Brilliant move.
• I don't really understand the early stop for Piastri. Field spread is so small nowadays that an early stop like that gets you stuck in the midfield so easly. On the other hand, Piastri recovered through the field quite well. In fact, overtaking seemed quite good throughout the field. Certainly a far cry from the Imola processions of the early 2000s.
• Was very impressed with the no-stoppers Albon, Hadjar, Kimi and Lewis after the VSC. Really worked for them.
• I enjoyed the moment of Alonso bemoaning his luck. I really feel for him.
• Ferrari recovered quite well during the race.
• The full SC for Kimi's retirement seemed gratuitous, given it wasn't necessary for Ocon.
• McLaren's sticky pit stops are a problem they'll have to sort out.
• Was impressed with the McLaren's battling at the end. Another good move from Lando. I think McLaren are going to have to be extra careful from now on. Red Bull have caught them to the point that they are going to be alternating who's fastest depending on the circuit. When Red Bull are fast, Max will win, and McLaren could easily find themselves fighting each other too much.
• Leclerc on Albon was one of the dirtiest things I've seen for a while. Glad he had to give the place back. Even though Lewis got them both. Great result for Lewis given yesterday though.
• Albon gets my DotD. Another great job, though Sainz was also quick but got a bit screwed with strategy.

 

Overall I'm hoping the fight stays close and clean between Red Bull and McLaren, and maybe have Ferrari, Mercedes and Williams close up a bit too. We don't need another consecutive WDC. We need a new WDC.

 

If you think this then you shouldn't be hoping for Red Bull and McLaren to stay close.

[peroa]

I actually don´t agree on the bold part. More like Piastri is still naive when racing against Max, and like he said in the press conference

if he could do it again he would have braked 10 meters later.

That was almost embarrassing to witness. Now it probably didn´t make a difference in the the end anyway as the RedBull was clearly the faster car with better tire deg too. 

Max would never in a million years give up that place so easy if he was in pole and in Piastris car. 

 

If I was the manager at McLaren I would have told my drivers not to back off against Max in situations like these. Still, Max uses his old tactics of "move or we crash"

but as McLaren has two cars in front, Max is actually the one whom has most to lose in using these tactics. 

Yep, it was more of Piastri not covering the outside line, where the grip is, he basically invited Max past, was a bit Norris like, concerned with the wrong car.

[Nemo1965]

Max is Max. The Ring after becoming a father, sim-racing in the early morning , winning a GP with an overtake than nearly gave pundit Coulthard an aneurism. All in a days work.

Btw: Shout out (!) to F1 TV and/or Ruth Buscombe and David Valseche. Someone higher up had a talk with them or they assessed this themselves: they both spoke slower and lower pitched in the post-race show than last race and even yesterday. Ruth was pleasant to listen to again and David was all in all more than bearable, IMHO. I hope they keep it up.

[Mishvili]

I know this is probably just confirming what we all assumed, but I found it mildly interesting to see that the whole ‘give the place back and you avoid a stewards’ investigation’ is official.

Notwithstanding the separate question of whether it should have been a penalty or not, it seems to me that this is a highly dubious approach in the circumstances where there have been other place changes as a consequence (in this case Albon losing a place to Hamilton as a direct result of the incident).

[Baddoer]

I think tire/track combo really masked Red Bull issues with overheating tires. No long duration corners, just a few chicanes and lots of traction zones where McLaren are usually weak. Pirelli brought softest rubber possible, meaning RB21 don't have to deal with real hard tires where it usually sucks. In Monaco it may come strong again, but Barcelona is going to be McLaren walk in a park.

[spa2000overtake]

Once again Max drove stellar race and managed to win in comfortable today in imola ahead of both Mclarens. So Max is still there to challange for the title this season.

Race itself was ok today the two safety car situations made it bit exciting in the end, Ferraris managed to pretty well today and Lewis manage finally to drive well and reach to 4 thanks for the good strategy. Leclerc had poor end after last safety car because he did not having extra tires for the final laps of the race so he finished 6. Albon had great result to reach 5 for Williams today. Russell and Antonelli had a disappoiting day.

Next weekend Monaco race.   

Edited by spa2000overtake, Today, 20:15.