27 replies to this topic

[Juan]

Rumour is that newey will quit F1 and look to get into yatch designing or something.

This really is bad news for F1,because newey always was the great equalizer.

Without newey the F1 seasons will be witness to a schumacher steamroller race after race.
Much as i would like to see that,i cant see myself or anybody enjoying it for long.

Hope he stays.

[JuanF1]

Don't worry. 5 years from now his place will be occupied by another great f1 designer... Just remember this name: Juan Molina

[Scudetto]

Now where does this rumor come from? What's the source? I haven't seen it on the major F1 sites.

If true, why would Jag and McLaren be going the matresses over Newey if he intended to walk away after 2002 anyway. That doesn't make sense, unless it's Newey's response to the Jag-Mac fighting: After making an ass out of himself and causing a sport scandal, he just walks away to save face. Sounds like everyone loses then.

The only one that knows what's on Newey's mind is Newey. And until he posts in this forum, I don't believe a word of what's said. Obviously team press releases cannot be trusted to be accurate.

[HSJ]

Juan, please make a list for yourself, for future reference. Title: all the ways I can praise MS without explicitly saying so. And as a footnote to yourself: do not check facts, they merely spoil the fun!

[Ricardo F1]

Well Ross and Rory could leave the Schumacher fold and then all would be equal again . . .

Hill - Newey = 0 WDC's
JV - Newey = 0 WDC's
Mika - Newey = 0 WDC's
MS - Brawn/Byrne = 0 WDC's

It's the car you know.

[pa]

Actualy, it had crossed my mind that Newey had staged this showdown as a way to prise more money out of McLaren before he retired. Pretty messy way of doing it, but effective. With the extra dosh, he can afford to either retire or set up some sort of new business far away from the madness of F1. Don't worry, there are lots more designers coming up through the ranks.

[KinetiK]

Nice trolling lead there Juan

[Rene]

Newey might retire from F1 in 2002
McLaren technical director Adrian Newey has been the subject of most reports the past week after Jaguar Racing announced that they have secured his services for the 2002 season, only for McLaren to respond in turn that Newey will stay with them beyond the term of his current contract, which expires in August 2002.

According to reports on Autosport, the likelihood of Newey retiring from F1 in 2002 is not unlikely, with McLaren boss, Ron Dennis saying earlier in the week that Newey would be allowed to pursue alternative projects.

Sources have indicated that this might include designing a racing yacht with Ron Dennis believed to be of the opinion that if Adrian Newey is not designing F1 cars for the McLaren team, he will not be designing for any other team.

Source: www.autorace.com

I thinks its BS...but who knows?!

[Locai]

Scudetto - "The only one that knows what's on Newey's mind is Newey. And until he posts in this forum, I don't believe a word of what's said. Obviously team press releases cannot be trusted to be accurate. "


Well, I wouldn't trust a word that Newey says, either. That's how this whole mess apparantly got started!

[Scudetto]

pa,

That crossed everyone's mind last week - see the May 31 issue of Autosport. But that doesn't account for everything that's gone on. Besides, I'd hate to think that Newey would make Jag and, in particular, his "friend" Rahal, look so publicly foolish.

As an aside: Did anyone consider what was to become of Steve Nichols if Newey did sign? Jag just brought him in and just deployed his R2 revisions. Can they be looking to replace him so quickly? He must feel like a real ass, too.

[Scudetto]

Thanks, Rene. At least there's a news piece about it. I hate pure crystal-ball gazing.

[slick1jayj]

He should after the big stink he caused. GRRRRRRRRR:mad:
I have calmed down now.

jay

[Mario]

http://www.tsn.ca/ra...story_id=992391

Report: Newey to design racing yachts

(Jun 6) Adrian Newey plans to give
up his career as a Formula One
designer for a career in the
competitive sport of yacht racing.

According to Autosport Magazine,
Newey plans to leave McLaren and
Formula One racing after his
contract expires in August 2002 to pursue his dream of designing
racing yachts for the America's Cup event.

Newey ignited a firestorm last week, apparently signing a deal to
join Jaguar Racing in 2002 only to have McLaren announce that
he had signed a long-term extension with the Woking-based
team. Part of the McLaren statement said Newey would be
allowed to pursue "other sporting technical challenges" after
designing the team's 2002 and 2003 challengers.

Autosport reports that those alternative projects include finding a
way to have Newey realize his dream of designing racing yachts.

Jaguar says it has received a legal opinion which confirms their
claim that Newey has signed a legally binding contract with them.
The team adds it will pursue legal action in order to enforce the
deal.

A bizarre unfolding to this guy's career if this turns out to be true. Yacht racing over F1?

[arcwulf7]

Well for an AERODYNAMYCIST, Americas (the correct, uncorrupted version of the title is NOT America's but The Americas Cup Race, don't believe ESPN ;) ) yacht racing might be the purest form of the genre. But Adrian -- CONTRACTS -- SIGNATURE -- they are not so much toilet paper -- make up your mind and F1 will LIVE with or WITHOUT you.

[Ricardo F1]

The good ship McLaren? That should be interesting . . .

[ffiloseta]

As I said. He will not be in McLaren nor Jaguar. And he will not be THE engineer, just AN engineer in America Cup.

Come to think of it, we will be better off without a prima donna like him.


Furio.

PS : Yes, I think it is the America Cup without any S in it. Funny how for the US residents there is only one America, theirs. Mine (South) could be somewhere off on the Discworld then, for all they care.

[130R]

Note: A legal opinion confirms nothing.

Opinions (especially legal ones) are like assholes, everybody has one.

Regards,

the saint

[xfire]

The America's Cup, is named for the yacht America, that won in England a couple of centuries ago, not for the US of A. It's a kinda subtle distinction.

Yes, I think Formula 1 will be a lot better off (more competitve) with Newey gone to yachting. How many recent champs were in Newey cars? But it would slip a notch in respect as the ultimate series without his designs.

[ffiloseta]

Originally posted by xfire
The America's Cup, is named for the yacht America, that won in England a couple of centuries ago, not for the US of A. It's a kinda subtle distinction.

I thought that just because it owes its name to the schooner America (that won the regata around the Isle of Wight in 1851) it was named America Cup, which would mean to me "Cup named America" and not America's cup which in turn would mean "Cup OF America". Then again what many say becomes the truth and being that the US, specifically the New York Yacht Club held the cup from 1851 to 1983 (102 YEARS !) and being that their part of North America is the only America they would recognize, I can see how it became simply America's Cup. It was theirs.

Furio.

[baddog]

yeah WAS.... *snigger*

Shaun

[Melbourne Park]

It was named after the yacht America. The yacht sailed from New York to England and challenged various yachts, non of whom would accept the challenge as it was soon known that the America was exceptionally fast. Aventually she asked to join a race off the coast and she was accepted, but had to sail against a fleet of yachts. She started well behind and overtook most of the fleet; there was some controversy about the course and buoys of one of the yachts. Aventually she took the lead.

Later Queen Victoria was told that the yacht America had won the race. The Queen asked who came second. To which the famous reply was: "There is no second Your Magesty..."

The America's Cup or the Auld Mug was a silver thing given to the owner, which was then used as the prize for any challenges.

The failed Italian challenge for the cup in New Zealand, the Prada challenge, cost over $200 million dollars. Material strength, sails, crew work, tactics, aerodynamics and fluid dynamics all compromise each other in a complex formula. When the Australian boat One Australia sank in the trials to be the challenger, it was agreed that she was a touch too light in one area. No lives were lost as she sank in 23 seconds, but it was a close call. Besides all that, there's the racing which is match racing and an art form in sport.

Its a complex sport and I think Newey would love the challenge. There are enormous prima donnas in the design area, and some are quite brilliant. Newey would fit in well, but he would face the problem of not being a boat designer, and the compromises involved would be beyond him. But his expertise in the sails and rigging issues would be significant I would think.

[Rene]

two threads on this topic....awaiting merge...
5....4....3....2....

[MuMu]

Newey's probably realised that Byrne's designs have been better the last couple of years, and decided that to call it a day - I'm not sure whether he was really capable of creating another championship car, maybe he was getting bored with F1, and his mind's already on other things.

[The RedBaron]

Barnard adds his voice

John Barnard has added voice to claims that Adrian Newey was originally lured to Jaguar because he was seeking new challenges.

Barnard, one of the great modern-day designers who pioneered semi-automatic gearboxes and carbon-fibre chassis construction, said he understood the pressure involved in the technical directorship of top teams that led to thoughts of doing something else, having worked with McLaren and Ferrari.

‘(McLaren Team Boss) Ron (Dennis) doesn't understand the kind of pressure a designer has,’ said Barnard, who now acts as a design consultant at his B3 Technologies firm in Surrey, UK.

‘After a time you start to wonder how you can keep the momentum up and it is something that requires tremendous effort. I don't think Ron appreciates that, not with me, and now not with Adrian. It's all part of how things happen. There is only a limited amount of time that you can apply yourself 100 percent and to look for a way that will give you a little more of an easy life is quite attractive.


‘Somebody like Jaguar could probably offer him all sorts of things. I've been in the same situation.’

Newey was reportedly attracted to the Jaguar post after officials offered a ‘highly tempting’ opportunity for him to branch out into other motorsport or road car design disciplines as part of their package. The 42-year-old is staying at McLaren after Woking matched and bettered the offer, but Jaguar is taking legal action against both parties, alleging that Newey signed a deal to join the team.

Barnard said he understood the pressure of being forced to sign after his experience with Ferrari.

‘I hadn't thought about leaving McLaren until I got a phone call from Ferrari and then I had all the private jet treatment to Maranello and so on,’ added the 55-year-old.

‘When that happens you have enormous amounts of pressure on you and they don't want you to leave without signing anything.

‘I signed a letter of agreement, but they are not very binding.’

[slick1jayj]

‘When that happens you have enormous amounts of pressure on you and they don't want you to leave without signing anything.

Like my Grandmother always told me "If someone else is going to jump off a bridge are you?" Are these people so weak that they can't say NO? Do the teams budget extra money for the enforcers? Nobody forces you to sign the contracts. I think that greed signs it for them.

‘I signed a letter of agreement, but they are not very binding.’

That just shows that his word, is of no value.



jay

[ray b]

Cup boats are as high teck as f-1 cars
and cost alot more . much slower tho
the cup has been upsidedown too long
but we [usa] will bring it back, right side up
next time i hope.

[sennadog93]

Well, if he does go into yacht design then I hope it's for the GB Challenge.

[Darren]

Despite John Barnard's penchant for being a clown, I think he's pretty much on the money to the extent that it's unlikely Newey has anything more than a letter of intent or agreement with Jaguar. Such things are binding, but they tend to bind you only to another process, which can be easily frustrated. Another good question is whether or not McLaren have signed an extension with Newey, just squeaking in before the injunction, or whether they're fighting the injunction so they can sign.