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[Khan]

Please fill this small gap in my knowledge of terminology... A driver is referred to as a moving chicane when he's

A. so slow that he gathers a tail of cars behind him (a-la JPM Austria).

or

B. swerves a lot.

Thanks

Khan

[Locai]

Additional Answers:

C: Named Bernoldi and in Monaco.

D: Driving a Minardi

E: Named Mika and trying to get off the grid with launch control. (actually, I guess he really wouldn't be a "moving" chicane then.)

[MortenF1]

Bernoldi is the OBVIOUS answer!

[Mr Melvin]

A. Just too slow. aka Marques, another obstacle for the leaders to pass

[JuanF1]

A very slow backmaker! Someone who finishes 6 laps down. Usually a Minardi.

[Mr. Salty]

Bernoldi was racing for position......doesn't meet the criteria.

[Locai]

Or for you CART fans...Tora Takagi

[Williams]

Originally posted by Mr. Salty
Bernoldi was racing for position......doesn't meet the criteria.

hmm, IMHO a "moving chicane" doesn't have to be a backmarker, just slow, though if your slow you'll automatically wind up being a backmarker...

[Bjorn]

The way I see it, a true 'moving chicane' is a title reserved for slow drivers who, when about to be lapped, don't look in their mirrors and offer no assistance to the lapping driver whatsoever.

[arcwulf7]

Chicanes don't have any of the CLASS of a driver defending a position. !!

[LuckyStrike1]

Originally posted by Bjorn
The way I see it, a true 'moving chicane' is a title reserved for slow drivers who, when about to be lapped, don't look in their mirrors and offer no assistance to the lapping driver whatsoever.

I second that. Lapped backmarkers who can't get out of the way. If a driver defends a position even if he is slower ... well tough luck if you can't overtake. Remember Gilles Villeneuve in Spain holding up somethig like 8 cars in the lead for the whole race. What should he have doen .. moved over, apologised for being slow and let all the other through ? No, neither should he and neither should Bernoldi.

[asterix]

gilles villenuvue (see avatar) was refered to as a mobile chicane but usually he was in the lead lap at least!

[Mat]

that's easy....the king of moving chicanes would have to Hiro Matsushista!!!

And don't even bother quoting me on the spelling.

NYR- Takagi showed a perfect example of what you are talking about at Homestead wouldnt you think!

Mat

[Locai]

"Upon further review" (inside joke for NFL fans) I don't believe Bernoldi did anything wrong in Monaco.

I went back and watched the tape of the race last night. Everybody at McLaren/Mercedes/Ilmor was royally embarrassed during the Monaco race AND THEY KNOW IT!

Yes, Bernoldi did his best to block Coulthard. But, what everybody (including myself) failed to realize is that Coulthard was trying to pass in areas that aren't considered passing zones. Coulthard kept trying to pass through the slow, tight portions of the track that are impossible to pass without being let by.

The fact is that the passing area is the tunnel section. And everytime they got to the tunnel, Bernoldi took off! How does anybody at McLaren/Mercedes/Ilmor explain getting out accelerated by a year-old Peugout engine??? That had to be humiliating!

Obviously, Ron Dennis couldn't bare to explain getting beat on setup by an Arrows, so he did the only thing he could...try to "save face" by threatening the other driver.

I don't know what has happened at McLaren this year, but it sure looks like they've turned into a bunch of morons (except for Coulthard). Between the "Brain fade" comment, the launch control debacle, the Newey fiasco, and now this - it's a wonder that they're still in second place! I feel sorry for Coulthard having to put up with this mess. If any of the mid-field teams were having a breakthrough year this year then McLarent would be in serious trouble.

[No27]

To call someone a moving chicane is not only an expression of someone's lack of pace for this can be caused by provided material.
See Fernando Alonso as an example. Besides being slow the fellow in question also brings up the question: why the hell is he involved.
Unfortunatly a lot of examples can be found in F1's history. Today, Tarso Marques can be considered being a moving chicane.
It might be interesting to list a top ten of ultimate moving chicanes in F1's history. Ricardo Rosset makes good chance being listed.

[Daniel Lester]

Jean-Denis Deletraz of 94-95 fame. Lapped 10 times on occassions. Drove once for Larrousse at the end of 94, and twice for Pacific in 95.
Heres his profile.
http://www.crosswind.../biography.html

[JuanF1]

At least we can say Andrea Moda weren't a moving chicane.

[JuanF1]

Neither a halted chicane.

[revvhead]

Back off Bernoldi. If DC in A McLaren cant overtake him, DC is a moving chicane. A driver with half a brain will attemp overtaking a Lowes Hairpin , not the corner prior. (jos in the same race did it and so have many other drivers prior) or the entrance to the tunnel or the noveau chicane. SOmeone teach DC to race, taking the iside line to lowes or attempting it at least once in 40 laps is a good idea.

That said full credit to DC for getting into 5th (not by overtaking though!!!)

[JuanF1]

Overtaking at Loews? Impossible. There is not enough space for two cars there as we have seen in the past (last year, 96...).

[kurt]

Any Japanese driver ...ever.
Getting rides because of money or engines not talent.

[Khan]

Does that include Ukyo Katayama?

[Caractacus]

Locai, I would never, ever even THINK of overtaking in the tunnel and, I would hope, neither would any driver. The exit of the previous corner, yes, as the fight between Michael and Wurz a few years back showed, but not the tunnel itself where the cars are at speed crossing from left to right around a gentle curve and in a restricted and dangerous area.

[The Kanisteri]

I'm sure the moving chicane is Michael Schumacher...or should I rather say racing Chicane.

Every car except those silver ones and JPMs' blue-white one always turn away when that racing chicane will enter their mirrors (except MH, DC and JPM), even if they are on same lap!!!

[lulup]

Originally posted by kurt
Any Japanese driver ...ever.
Getting rides because of money or engines not talent.

kurt:Is that mean you think Any European/South American driver who "Getting rides because of money or engines not talent" isn't a moving chicane?
Only Japanese is!!!

[JL Wade]

Originally posted by Khan
Please fill this small gap in my knowledge...

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