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[Get Sirius]

I know this isn't the most important thing in the world, but would it be too much to ask for if we all tried to use correct pronunciation of the names of drivers'? I'm growing tired of reading about Hakinnen, Ralph, Kimmi and other imaginary Formula One drivers.

I mean, if you can't even write the driver's name correctly, why should anybody believe in anything you say? There are only 20-odd drivers so the task shouldn't be too massive for any man with an IQ of over 80.

Thank You!

[mel]

Is it the pronunciation or the spelling which offends you?

[Loz]

I don't think you mean pronunciation. You mean spelling. Actually the way most people write the names, then phonetically they would be pronouncing it correctly.

And an IQ of below 95 is mentally handicapped is it not? So, I think you may be off on that one.

Loz

[Get Sirius]

See now how mad I am! I can't even think straight.;)

Of course I meant spelling even though I'm pretty certain that pronunciation also leaves much to desire... Thanks for correcting me.

[Cocco_Bill]

Originally posted by Loz

And an IQ of below 95 is mentally handicapped is it not? So, I think you may be off on that one.

Loz

37.7% of people have an IQ below 95.

[Smooth]

Can we please learn the difference between pronunciation and spelling? Anyone with an IQ over 72 should be able to get it!

[Get Sirius]

Originally posted by Loz
Actually the way most people write the names, then phonetically they would be pronouncing it correctly.

Only that Häkkinen, for example, is correctly pronounced HAK-ke-nen (Stress on the first syllable and "a" pronounced as in "back", the "i" as in "it").

[Loz]

Cocc_Bill

There's no way!!! do you have documentation on this? If that the case, there are a lot of stupid people out there. I thought 80% fell in the 105-115 range?

[Loz]

Sweet Merciful Crap!! Cocco Puffs is right!!!!

90 - 110 (average intelligence)
111-128 (above average)
129-143 (highly intelligent)
144-160 (gifted)
161-185 (genius - top 1%)
186+ (genius - top 1/10 of 1%)

Next person to make a spelling mistake on this BB should be banned.....starting.....NOW.

Loz

[Cocco_Bill]

Loz, read about the IQ scale here .

[Get Sirius]

Originally posted by Loz
If that the case, there are a lot of stupid people out there.

Which brings to my mind this great quote:

You know how dumb the average guy is? Well, by definition, half of them are even dumber than that. (J.R. Dobbs)

[mel]

Loz. You spelled Cocco_Bill's name wrong. You are the weakest link.

[Loz]

I said..."starting now", and I didn't spell it wrong so much as improved upon it.

[mel]

Ah yes, but it is this kind of 'improvement' on people's names which Get Sirius is complaining about. And we don't encourage improvement here!

[Loz]

I respectfully retract my sugar coated comment.

[Dr.Raj]

Originally posted by Smooth
Can we please learn the difference between pronunciation and spelling? Anyone with an IQ over 72 should be able to get it!

Maybe Get Sirius bleached his hair blonde. Your IQ immediately drops 30, 40, 50 points.

I need some help with pronunciation.

1. Is Jos pronounced Yos or Yosh? My idiot commentator keeps saying Yosh Vershtappen.

2. When saying Panis, is the part in bold pronounced as it is in frying pan or as in aunt

[Get Sirius]

Originally posted by Dr.Raj


Maybe Get Sirius bleached his hair blonde. Your IQ immediately drops 30, 40, 50 points.

No way would bleaching affect my IQ that much, not with this amount of hair.

2. When saying Panis, is the part in bold pronounced as it is in frying pan or as in aunt

I always thought it's PA-nee, but probably I'm wrong (again).

[raceday]

Cocco_Bill,

That link was really interesting! thanks!

I cant imagine how they manage estimate the IQ of a person who's been dead for hundreds of years though?

[Manson]

I concentrate more on the content than the spelling. Don't forget many of the poster's first language isn't English. So their!

[Mosquito]

Originally posted by Dr.Raj
Jos pronounced Yos or Yosh? My idiot commentator keeps saying Yosh Vershtappen.

Ok,

Jos is pronounced as in 'Boss', only with the J. (Which is not pronounced as sharp as for instance Americans do in Jack.)

Verstappen: 'Ver' pronouned as in 'blurr', 'stappen' without any 'scchhgggjjjyyy' sounds in it. (I hear most English spoken people put some kind of slurr into the 'sta' part. It's a sharp 's' and 't', and the best way to describe the 'a' sound is to pronounce it as most English woud say 'bah' or 'par'.
Again, the 'en' part at the end has the same 'uuuu' sound as in 'blurr'.

(I could also say that when you pronounce '****' and leave the 'K' part, you're already off to a good start )

[Dr.Raj]

I always thought it was pronounced Yos. I'll note the correction.

[A3]

I always hate it when people can't find the right keys and type Vercrashen in stead of Verstappen. But I'm sure that's not intentional.

[brett_sequeira]

is this a joke please come to the irc chat and see the spellings

[Viss1]

In all seriousness, someone please tell me if I'm wrong on these:

Villeneuve: Vill-en-ove (I also hear "Vill-en-oov")
Fisichella: Fiz-i-kella
Barrichello: Bar-i-chello
Coulthard: Kool-thard
Raikkonen: Ry-kon-nin

[Cocco_Bill]

Raikkonen : Raeik - koe - nen

[Loz]

Villeneuve = Veal-nuv

[No27]

One other name that is pronounced in different way is the Rosa part of Pedro de la Rosa. Some people like the dutch commentator pronaonce it with a slissing kind of s-sound like in Barcelona.
Can somebody tell me if this is wrong?

[obi-one]

Originally posted by Dr.Raj

Maybe Get Sirius bleached his hair blonde. Your IQ immediately drops 30, 40, 50 points.

Let me set this straight once and for all. The dumb blonde issue is caused by the dumbest of brunettes bleaching their hair, therefore moving them into the "blonde" catagory and severely lowering the blonde average IQ.

Why would anyone girl with brown hair go and bleach the phuck out of it and end up looking like Courtney Love if she wasn't a complete idiot?

[Elspeth]

Perhaps Eddie Irvine's problems stem from his bleached blonde hair.

[Get Sirius]

Originally posted by Viss1
In all seriousness, someone please tell me if I'm wrong on these:

Villeneuve: Vill-en-ove (I also hear "Vill-en-oov")
Fisichella: Fiz-i-kella
Barrichello: Bar-i-chello
Coulthard: Kool-thard
Raikkonen: Ry-kon-nin

Räikkönen would be RAIK-ko-nen , again stressin the first syllable, "A" as in "back", "o" as in "a book" (or the first "i" in "Irvine").

Barrichello I've heard also with a "k" (ba-ri-KEL-lo), supposedly Rubens is OK with both versions.

[Oachkatzlschwoaf]

Originally posted by No27
One other name that is pronounced in different way is the Rosa part of Pedro de la Rosa. Some people like the dutch commentator pronaonce it with a slissing kind of s-sound like in Barcelona.
Can somebody tell me if this is wrong?

thats 100% right...i know because i heard Pedro say his name at the austrian GP ;)
i think i sounds a bit like 'Pedro de la Rotha' doesn't it ?

[MattPete]

Originally posted by Loz
Cocc_Bill

There's no way!!! do you have documentation on this? If that the case, there are a lot of stupid people out there. I thought 80% fell in the 105-115 range?

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The test(s) are designed so that the mean (and median) is 100. The standard deviation is around 15-16 points. Half the people have an IQ < 100 (whatever the hell IQ is).

So:

60 0.4%
70 2.3%
80 9.1%
90 25.2%
100 50.0%
110 74.8%
120 90.9%
130 97.7%
140 99.6%

[Pascal]

Panis = pah-nees (the S is NOT silent)
Villeneuve = veel-nuv
Fisichella = fee-zee-kel-la

[arcwulf7]

I think that Veel-nuv might be the Parisian French version the name, not the proper Quebecois Joual, which would have some gutteral inflections i'm not sure they even have accent signs for .

Those Quebecois are outraged btw that he's named his new restaurant on Crescent Street, 'NewTown', in a good old English pronunciation (err uhhh - translation to be more precise) of his name.

[Pascal]

Originally posted by arcwulf7
I think that Veel-nuv might be the Parisian French version the name...

I'd say it is the French version. Though in Provence, you would probably hear it pronounced veel-uh-nuv-uh.

[JuanF1]

Originally posted by MattPete
The test(s) are designed so that the mean (and median) is 100. The standard deviation is around 15-16 points. Half the people have an IQ < 100 (whatever the hell IQ is).

IQ is (mental age / true age)*100. So if half the people have an IQ < 100, that means their mental age is lower than they are. But I doubt so. At least 80% must have IQ > 100.

[JuanF1]

Barrichello, as a Brazilian friend told me, is pronounced Bagikelo, with the 'rr' sounding like the French one but more of a g than an r.

[JuanF1]

However, the IQ thing makes me think, nobody can have a mental age = 0, otherwise they wouldn't think. So someone with less than a year old, that has a mental age > 0 has a IQ = infinite, because mental age (different from 0) / 0 = infinite???

[Cocco_Bill]

So someone with less than a year old, that has a mental age > 0 has a IQ = infinite, because mental age (different from 0) / 0 = infinite???

JuanF1, it is quite clear that the whole concept of mental age is quite meaningless for a newly born baby. IQ should reflect the degree of mental development of the individual. This mental development should be a consequence of a childs ability to adapt, learn and think creatively in a new enviroment. Besides, a baby is of the age exactly 0 only for infinitely short time.

IQ is (mental age / true age)*100. So if half the people have an IQ < 100, that means their mental age is lower than they are. But I doubt so. At least 80% must have IQ > 100.

Like many other human qualities, intelligence is 'normally' distributed. I.e. if we put people into 'intelligence' classes according to how bright they are, there will be a large number near the average. These will tail off in the typical Gaussian or Bell curve (called so, because of its curved flaring shape), as people do for height or weight or any other human quality.

The Bell curve curve was derived from the theory of errors. It is the kind of curve produced by examining the variations of measurements of entities affected by a large number of random variables. The curve is in many cases an assumption; that we will assume a normal distribution (Bell curve) until evidence to the contrary is found.

With any complicated entity like a human being there are more things that can render it imperfect than there are things that can improve it.

The Normal Distribution Function below, gives the tail area within the interval [0,z], which can be expressed as a percentile (part of the area to the right of the center of the Bell curve). Erf is often called the Error Function.

error function

[MrAerodynamicist]

I read somewhere once about a gorilla - they tested its IQ and it came out at 80, which means its smarter than a significant percentage of humans!!

[ffiloseta]

Weel, then, why don't you all publish your IQ's? or better yet ask Atlas F1 to set up a page containing a test we all should take before posting to the forums ?

I was going to ask how you anglo guys would pronounce names like
Mazzacane or Nakajima, but then changed my mind since they were all backmarkers, so it would not matter in the end.

I still would like to see your faces when you heard the race commentators here in Venezuela, they are truly pathethic

Furio

[mono-posto]

As I've always been told in botanical Latin... As long as both parties know what plant they are talking about, does it really matter how you pronounce it?

Surely the same could apply to something a bit less scientific as race car drivers? Afterall, these guys are all from different countries whose names originate from different languages. Since most of us are only profecient in 1-2 languages, we may not pronounce it exactly right, but as long as we all know what we are talking about, who cares?

I agree about the spelling though. That should be cut and dry. (Except I don't know how to produce on my keyboard some of the accents that appear in the names).

One last point... When talking about BAR, do most people say 'bar' or spell it out as an acronym, B-A-R ?

[Loz]

Spell out the acronymn.....saying bar sounds stupid.

[Get Sirius]

Originally posted by mono-posto
I agree about the spelling though. That should be cut and dry. (Except I don't know how to produce on my keyboard some of the accents that appear in the names).

Yes, that is a problem, though I think it is possible to produce most with simple key combinations.

Is it that Häkkinen and Räikkönen are the only drivers who have diacritical marks in their name? None of the French names have them:confused:

[Pascal]

Originally posted by Get Sirius
Is it that Häkkinen and Räikkönen are the only drivers who have diacritical marks in their name? None of the French names have them:confused:

As far as the current Formula 1 line-up is concerned you are right, but what about Laurent Aïello?;)

[Bayou Bengal]

I remember David Hobbs back on ESPN calling a well respected world champion....AL PROST!

[Schummy]

Pedro de la Rosa is pronunced:

Peaithgou deah l-l-lei Gwzsaoh

It's pretty straigthforward. I don't know why people can't pronunce rightly.

[Nasty McBastard]

i youzed huked on fonics to lern to spel. giv me a brake

[Sean L]

Originally posted by ffiloseta
Weel, then, why don't you all publish your IQ's? or better yet ask Atlas F1 to set up a page containing a test we all should take before posting to the forums ?

We do have one in the Paddock Club ATM.;)

[Get Sirius]

Originally posted by Pascal
As far as the current Formula 1 line-up is concerned you are right, but what about Laurent Aïello?;)

Is he a F3000 driver? Anyway, what does those dots mean? I guess they are diaresis (sp?) marks, but would the correct pronunciation then be A-iello, Ai-ello, or perhaps A-i-ello? I don't speak French:(, so I have no idea... Also, is it OK to drop them in writing (like in Raikkonen or Hakkinen)