Ex Drivers and Buttons
Posted 06 March 2000 - 17:10
If I had half a chance to drive an F1 car I wouldn't be thinking, Oh I'll just park my ass is an another level for a few more years and see if I get another oppurtunity. I think the Kid needs to be encouraged for having the balls to take the offer.
Secondly why is he any more dangerous than the other inexperienced drivers out there. He has to start somewhere, why not at Williams. I don't see anyone saying mazzacane is a danger, or that hiedfield is a danger.
If your not sure what I am yabbing on about take a look at the atlas news room and look at brundle's and salo's comments.
I wish the kid all the best and hope he can do well.
Posted 06 March 2000 - 17:15
I think some of the current drivers are just trying the old mind games!
I hope that in a weeks time they will be eating humble pie!
Unfortunately, some of the drivers will carry their attitude onto the track so I think JB is the one in danger as they will expect hime to give way to them (if they get the chance!)
Posted 07 March 2000 - 16:15
Button is a driver with talant and a future. He is very much inexperianced. The other inexperianced Drivers are not thought of as likely future champions.
I dont think the other drivers are saying these things to damage Buttons career, if anything they are attempting to help him.
Sheilding him somewhat from the pressures of F1, and encoraging him to develope his talants elsewhere for a few years before bringing him in to F1 is not a bad idea.
Having said that, I still think Button can do very well in F1...
Posted 07 March 2000 - 17:36
Nick Heidfeld has two seasons of Formula Ford(German champion), two seasons of Formula three(German champion), two seasons of F3000(FIA Champion)behind him. Jenson Button has one season of Formula Ford(Britsh champion), and one season of Formula three(3rd in Britsh championship), in which he did not impress while in traffic. Can you see the difference?
Posted 07 March 2000 - 17:44
Posted 07 March 2000 - 18:43
To come out top in your 1st season of FF and then finish 3rd in your 1st season of F3 - in a team/car that is ackowledged as not being the the best in UK F3 (down on power engine in a formula where a few bhp deficit can mean a mid grid position), says something about his ability.
What would you rather he did - spend a year getting blown off in a Minardi, with limited opportunity to test, or run with Williams in a year when they will need to be doing a lot of testing - plus getting the chance to race as well - and get paid for it rather having to spend money on running in a lower formula.
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Posted 07 March 2000 - 18:51
Posted 07 March 2000 - 19:38
Mezzacane's CV might even look worse.. 2 points in 3 years of F3000!
But i agree with Schumachers comment most, "It isn't how old he is, it'll be how fast he is'... And that's what we'll see this year!
Posted 07 March 2000 - 08:04
I would definately put Promatec as one of the top packages in Brit F3. That horsepower deficit didn´t stop JB from sticking his Renaut on pole on occassion. If you want quote´s about the traffic question´s you´ll have to wait until tomorrow, since I don´t keep my Autosport collection at work.
I don´t want anyone to get an impression that I don´t rate Button highly, he is very special, just like Pizzonia and Räikkönen are. What gets me is the Hype surroundig him before a season that might be very disappointig for those who are expecting Mansell Mania. Williams might still be Willams, but BMW doesn´t look that promising, in fact it looks quite bad.You´ll have to remember that Frank has Montoya waiting for the moment when his team is competetive, so I´d hate to see JB ending up as a has been at the age of 21 (remember Magnussen).
What would´ve I done in the same circumstances? Dunno, probably gone for it.
Posted 07 March 2000 - 08:18
Posted 07 March 2000 - 08:56
RacerX - I guess in some ways he had no option but to take the chance. If, having had the offers of F1, he had chosen to go back to F3 for another year, he would have been a marked man - every other driver who only have one aim, to beat Button. He would have just HAD to win the championship - no other option would be available/acceptable.
What of F3000 as an option? Unfortunatly - by the time he had to make up his mind, all the top seats had already gone - and the way that formula works - if you are not in a top team you might as well just flush £1/2 million down the toilet. In F1 he races on the same tracks, gets 3 times as much track time during a meeting and the chance of much more testing time.
OK so Williams and BMW may not be a top team this year - but that is probably an advantage - it should lessen some of the expectation and hence the pressure.
Why should Button be any more potentially dangerous than any other new driver in F1? - I seem to remember M. Schumacher having several major accidents when he started in F1 - including writing off two Bennetons in one race!. Ralph hardly managed to stay on the track much during his first seasons of F1 either - including taking Michael out at the first corner on one occasion...
Button has hardly had a crash ridden career in cars so far so why should he suddenly change now.
I'm not saying that Button will succeed - just that of all the up-and-coming drivers I've seen over the last few years, he stands out in the same way that drivers like Senna, Herbert and Coulthard did at similar points in their careers.
As for the hype - maybe its astute management! - after all, how many drivers have failed to make it as a result of not getting the publicity, and hence the backing, at the start of their careers.
Posted 07 March 2000 - 08:57
It reminds me of a couple years ago at the American Speed Association race at my home track of Hawkeye Downs. There was a 13 year old driver name B.J. McLeod who was testing to get his ASA license and make the race. Well, B.J. got the license and a lot of the drivers were saying stuff like, "He's got no business being here." Well the ASA officials responded they wished that all the ASA drivers on the circuit had as smooth of a line on the track as B.J. McLeod. (McLeod was a very accomplished go-kart racer at the time.) McLeod raced for a lesser team and was unable to make the race, he would have been the next driver to make the race in the last-chance qualifier. He put in a great performance.
If Jenson Button comes in and does a great job in British F3, which had some good drivers in it. Including Jaguar test-driver Luciano Burti. If he's comparable to Burti, then there should be no problem. Luciano proves fast on the track, Jenson looks fast on the track. It might be funny if young Button comes in and blows some people away.
We'll see in about six days what Jenson Button can do, and that'll just be his first race. He'll get better as time goes on. It's not like F1 is THAT close. It's not like it's NASCAR at Talladega or Daytona where you get a draft of 40 cars lap after lap at times. If Williams think Button can do it, I tend to trust their judgment on this one. Frank Williams and Patrick Head aren't morons when it comes to picking drivers. (Maintaining driver relationships might be one thing to improve on though.)
Posted 07 March 2000 - 21:57
Posted 07 March 2000 - 22:09
To me the comments of Brundle sound pretty bitter, something like a loser badmouthing other players in a sport where they'd never won. He'd shown real grace by talking like a gentleman about Button.
Posted 07 March 2000 - 22:10
All hail King Jaxs
"Have you wondered, that perhaps, all the world's lunatics are in one place?"
Posted 07 March 2000 - 23:23
Posted 08 March 2000 - 01:50
Secondly, whowever it was that said Button was no good in traffic, watch the Marlboro Masters. F3 cars are really hard to pass with and he was dropping by cars like they were standing still. 12th to fifth or something like that.
Posted 08 March 2000 - 01:58
I think that he has been brought in to F1 at too early an age, I hope he can prove me wrong on that. Does anyone know why he decided to make the jump at this time?
However I have no respect for any of the negative public statements that the other drivers are saying about him, especially that moron Salo.
All the Best FP
Posted 08 March 2000 - 04:49
Secondly J, Nick Heidfield may have more experience in lower formula's, but we all know F1 is a totally different playing field. The cars are far more powerful so any driver, driving for the first time is going to find it tough, I don't think a driver has to have 10 years of lower formulas behind him to be able to start in F1.
As has been mentioned, if he has the speed who cars where he came from.
Good luck to the kid, I hope he quals well in melbourne and finishes the race.
Posted 08 March 2000 - 05:14
Posted 08 March 2000 - 08:55
Posted 08 March 2000 - 09:04
Next up testing for Prost, it was raining Button was setting competitive lap times within 7 laps of sitting in an F1 car for the first time, Prost tried to sign button as a test driver.
Then at Williams after the first few aborted runs the first time Button got some hot laps in Patrick Head said the pit crew went crazy, and he tried to calm them down before Jenson got back - you do not go that quick that quickly unless you are truly special, if Button has the skill to take in F1 speeds straight away and be quick, then he has the spare mental capacity to think about racing and what's going on around him whilst driving, this is why I think Jenson is not a liability - of course he'll make mistakes, Jordan built more cars when Running Fisichella and Schumi Jnr together than they had built in most seasons combined! - young drivers make mistakes, expect them from Jenson it doesn't mean he is too young or inexperienced.
This season is going to be great, Button, Nick Heidfield and Gene (who's been a bit of a revelation) starting to make the elder statesman quiver, this is the next generation.
Nick is going to retire Alesi who will not cope with Nicks speed.
Gene should have already put Luca Badoers F1 dreams to bed by his performance last year.