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TOYOYA LINK WITH YAMAHA ON F1 PROJECT. O DEAR!!!!!!!!!!


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#1 yahoo

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 04:53

WITH THE MIGHT OF YAMAHA HELPING TOYTOA ON THE ENGINE FRONT,THEY HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, JUST PICKING UP THE CUPS YEAR AFTER YEAR :rolleyes:

WE WILL ENJOY SEEING ENGINES BLOWING THEMSELVES TO PIECES TIME AFTER TIME IF YAMAHAS HISTORY IS ANY THING TO GO BY.

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#2 kenny

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 04:55

no need to yell... ;) ;) ;)

#3 yahoo

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 05:00

DOH!!!

LEFT THE CAPS LOCK ON BY ACCIDENT.

DOHH!!!

#4 kenny

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 05:27

hehe... ;)
Sh*t happens

#5 Yohbi

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 06:11

Maybe we'll be lucky and Yamaha will get their act together.  ;) They make a great motorcycle.

[This message has been edited by Yohbi (edited 03-06-2000).]

#6 Mila

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 07:37

does this mean that Mercedes, BMW, and Porsche are about to join forces?

#7 The Mirror

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 08:38

Yes, I remember it was nothing but success with the Yamaha V-8 in the Zakspeed for Aguri Suzuki about 10 years ago.......
ATTENTION! Sarcasm above.

#8 Samurai

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 08:46

I hope the Yamaha input will be of a different breed of animal than that. (the public announcement by Toyota stressed Yamaha's expertise at motorcycle racing,,, but motorcycle=F1??).

#9 Pacific

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 11:35

Yamaha is a good company overall. They make good motorcycles, good ATVs, good go-karts, and they also make good musical equipment and all sorts of other things. They're a very large corporation no doubt. We'll see how Yamaha can help Toyota. One would think Toyota would be more qualified, but Yamaha do have F1 experience and can look back at things a bit at how to approach things at least. I currently own a Yamaha keyboard with which I'm very happy with so I hope Yamaha can get it together. In fact, in NASCAR 3 I have my car painted so that the primary sponsor is Yamaha.

I still won't be too surprised if Toyota ends up buying out a current F1 team like Honda did. On the other hand, it might also be neat if Dome started a partnership with Toyota. Although, considering the Toyota F1 project is located in Cologne, one might consider Zakspeed to be likely to help with the Toyota team. The Zakspeed team is German after all. I don't think anybody would be opposed to a Zakspeed-Toyota team with some sponsorship from Yahama. Maybe Toyota and Yamaha could convince Ukyo Katayama to come out of retirement to test the car and race it the first season and have German Jorg Muller beside him with Bas Leinders as the test driver or something. Katayama is currently 36 though. Toyota is going to need somebody experienced to test the chassis and if Olivier Panis says no to racing the second seat at Williams I think he'd say no to Toyota too. Toranosuke Takagi is NOT a driver to have testing a car. By that time Alexander Wurz might need a ride though, if Zakspeed were involved I bet Alex would think about it. Kind of makes me wonder why Toyota hasn't teamed with Zakspeed already. Especially when you consider in 1998 all the rumors that Zakspeed was going to buy Arrows.

#10 SalutGilles 1

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 13:02

man that engine is going to be sweet!

600 horsepower, 375 lb-ft of torque, and an oil pump which can't lubricate the thing for more than a lap or two.

#11 Laphroaig

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 16:30

Hey! You're talking about the world's biggest car manufacturer here!
And if we have to believe Clackson here, toyota's are dull to drive but never break down ;)

But most likely they are not gonna buy an existing team. They deposited $100M to secure the 12th spot for the next 4 years. 1 year down already... And there is a chance they are gonna be based in Germany, they've got a motorsport facility there that also built the Le Mans Toyotas.

#12 Alfisti

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 08:40

Never, ever underestimate the Japanese when it comes to ultra high techno stuff like F1.

Yamaha will do well with Toyota funding..... Toyata will dominate within 6 years.

#13 Zoe

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Posted 07 March 2000 - 21:46

Toyota and Yamaha teamed up before. The straight six engine Toyota had in the 80ies (the 5M-xE to be exact) had a cylinder head designed by Yamaha.

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Posted 08 March 2000 - 02:04

Yes and the 1600cc 4 cyl twin cam in the Corolla GT Coupe was built by Yamaha for Toyota and it was a super engine (I had two of those cars - great fun).

But Yamaha in F1 - dire. I saw them destroy a new motor at Silverstone in two seconds back in Zakspeed days. A brand new engine, just fitted, they started it, revved it twice and BANG - finished.

Toyota can do it, for sure, but they don't need Yamaha's knowledge.



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#15 variocam

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Posted 08 March 2000 - 02:21

One of the best and most bullet proof engines I have ever seen is the engine found in the Normally Aspirated 1991-present Toyota MR2. And yes Yamaha makes it. Actually, it is the eexact ngine that is used and abused in the Toyota Atlantic Series. I think it would be interesting what type of input a motorcycle manufacturer can put into an F1 project. Think about it...they are the only people that have been able to come up with a reliable and powerful production engine that redlines more then twice as high as most cars.

#16 DangerMouse

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Posted 08 March 2000 - 02:23

Yamaha have helped a lot of car manufacturers out with their cylinder head design including the mighty Ford as well as the already mentioned Toyota projects.

The last F1 Yamaha V10 was built on the kind of budget that wouldn't keep Ferrari in rose tinted glasses. With cash rich Toyota investing in 5% of Yamaha and funding an engine programme I expect great things.

After all despite making a loss for a few years Yamaha have continued to produce the best motorcycles in the sports bike division with exciting and innovative products.

You can't keep a great company down, Yamaha is a great company.

#17 f li

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Posted 08 March 2000 - 03:56

And Dan Gurney found 74,000 pounds sterling to fund the Gurney-Weslake F1 engine!

#18 petrohed

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Posted 08 March 2000 - 04:28

Remember the Pacific cars of the 1994 with an Ilmor engine!
Now what happened to that engine builder/tuner????

Some companies learn from their experience.
Toyota have GT and Cart experience, but Yamaha have tried F1 and I am sure have a lot of valuable data from the experience.


#19 yahoo

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Posted 08 March 2000 - 08:22


there is a difference between keyboards, ford engines and f1

they made a balls of it once ,they will do the same again.

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#20 Ruapuna

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Posted 08 March 2000 - 21:54

Aguri Suzuki did not PRE qualify 16 out of 16 times with a Zakspeed Yamaha in 1989, the next year he finished sixth at Silverstone and third at Suzuka in a Larrouse Lola, so it obviously wasn't all poor Aguri's fault.

Yamaha then went on to look awful with Brabham and Jordan.

There must be some reason why the Yamaha link is useful, I don't think it could be F1 technical expertise.

#21 petrohed

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Posted 09 March 2000 - 08:39

Originally posted by Ruapuna:
Aguri Suzuki did not PRE qualify 16 out of 16 times with a Zakspeed Yamaha in 1989, the next year he finished sixth at Silverstone and third at Suzuka in a Larrouse Lola, so it obviously wasn't all poor Aguri's fault.

Yamaha then went on to look awful with Brabham and Jordan.

There must be some reason why the Yamaha link is useful, I don't think it could be F1 technical expertise.


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