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#1 Bob Nomates

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 03:19

How long before Schumacher makes Hakkinen cry this season?

I think the title will go to Schumacher this year so at what point will Hakkinen lose his marbles?

If Irvine can make him cry then Schumacher will definatley do it as he has done it before, so at what race will end in tears?

I think he will start scrikeing at Indianapolis.

What about you?

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#2 Raelene

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 03:27

he won't cry, and even if he does, big deal, so the guy showed some emotion, who cares.

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 03:27

Probably tears of joy after the last race when he wins the WDC. ;)

#4 RedFever

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 03:27

I don't think Hakkinen will cry for losing to Schumi. He'll cry only if he is responsible for losing, like in Monza last year

#5 Bob Nomates

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 03:29

Oh yes that what i ment

#6 Peeko

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 03:33

I can't believe people are still going on about this. Who cares? Athletes cry all the time. It's no big deal.

#7 JJP

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 03:48

He'll cry if he wins in Monaco.

#8 Daemon

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 07:48

He'll cry as soon as he see's the gap between him and Schuey in Australia...
:( :( :(

#9 Ricardo F1

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 08:59

Yeah, tears of joy!

#10 Rogue

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 11:11

Struth Bob, this sort of post gives Schumacher fans a bad name. Who gives a toss if he cries or not, with all the pressure that all these guys are under, can you really blame a breakdown once in a while ?



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#11 Tomerell

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 14:00

Bob,

Yeah this is absolutely the top. You surpassed even your self with this post.
I think only one who is crying is you after this season when Schumi couldn't win the WDC even with a superior car...

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#12 Yohbi

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 14:45

Anyone he wants to.

Realisticly, it will probablly be Indy. Once Mika is told, by "GeorgeyBoy", he must race in the May IRL race in 2001 or loose his super license. He'll flip - out. No question about it. Can you blame him?

#13 mtl'78

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 14:50

I was with Erja last night and I heard him crying downstairs...

#14 Witt

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 15:59

I think you need to re-phrase the question.
It should be;

"At what point will Mika make Schumacher fans cry?" :)

BTW Bob, you don't even diserve a reply to this thread, but i can't resist to take a dig now and then.

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 17:21

The one where he picks up the WDC again ! Or may be he will shed a tear for MS as the Ferrari fails again. Of course it might be Schuey that fails, but the car will take the blame ;)

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 19:04

How long before Schumacher makes Hakkinen cry this season?


Around Monza, at that time Mika wins his 3rd championship (and 3-in-row) since Schumacher makes Hakkinen too easy in the whole season.

Is that the answer you looking for ??

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 19:10

Mika will cry at Melbourne when his McLaren
stauls on the grid, the little wimp.....
I mean... Gawd, he only lost a race...
He did it before but all of a sudden he cries... I'm not a Mika fan though... :p

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#18 The Kanisteri

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 19:35

Hi Bob NoMates!

I bet 50$ that Hakkinen will cry in Malesia.
Not for sad, for Victory.

And he will LAUGH at Schumacher again.

PS: Dear M Schumacher! Please retire, you're so poor looser!

#19 Toxicant

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 08:50

Mika barely won last year driving the wonderful McLaren against a number two driver that only started to fight for the championship after half the year was over.

Look for Mika and Ron to cry all year long.

Tox!

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#20 man from martinlaakso

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 22:02

Toxicant, the McLaren car in the last year was NOT wonderful. It was the fastest car in most tracks, but it was much more difficult to drive it than the 1998 model. Now this year's model should be better in that perspective.

#21 Toxicant

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 22:12

Kinda sounds like the '95 championship winning car, hard to drive but still the class of the field.

Mika scored 11 poles with that car and we all know he's no Senna. The 94 William's was a very hard car to drive, I'd say the 99 McLaren was a dream in comparison.

Anyway, whether it was a hard car to drive or not is not the point, it was the class of the field for most of the year and I believe it won't be this year.

Tox!

#22 Bob Nomates

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 22:38

I often surpassed myself with my posts ;)

Please don't get upset about it, if people want to cry ok, the real meaning behind the question was.....at what point do you think Mika will lose the championship?

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Posted 01 March 2000 - 23:29

i think in Imola again. Thats when we first saw his weakness!!

#24 Bruce

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Posted 02 March 2000 - 00:25

Bob - how soon before Micheal, under pressure from his team-mate crashes off and breaks his legs?

Sorry. But your question was lacking in tact too....

#25 Louis Mr. F1

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Posted 02 March 2000 - 00:28

I think Schumacher will break his leg again at the Brazilian GP when he is stuck behind his teammate. :( :( :(

#26 Bob Nomates

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Posted 02 March 2000 - 00:35

Bruce, how would you like me to put it then?.....also my question was alot different to the question that you just asked.


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Posted 02 March 2000 - 04:03

Ave !!!

Actually I think Mika had a shitty luck with problems. When he was performing brilliantly the team was not, wheels dropping off, team mate pushing him of the track, tyres exploding, when in fact I tend to think that Mika was at the middle of his best stint in formula one. Gazetto dello Sport phrased that Mika is driving like a young god. But when McLaren finally got their act together Mika more or less fell apart, lousy start at Spa possibly leading to a team order to freeze the race, Monza he fell a sleep when he already had the race all but bagged and Nyrburgring his race tactics took him out of running. Malaysia was okay though not brilliant by any measure. He did however regroup by Suzuka and took the title with style.

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Posted 02 March 2000 - 04:14

Hakkinen cried because IRVINE, of all people, was beating him. I'd cry too in that situation.

I honestly don't think Hakkinen will be too upset if he is beat fair and square by Schumacher, who is considered one of the best of all time. This is especially true if the Ferrari turns out to be the best car this season.

#29 Bruce

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Posted 02 March 2000 - 07:45

Bob - actually - it's exactly the same as the question you asked. You used one incident from last year to crystallize MH's season and then extrapolated it to this coming year - I merely did the same...

admittedly, mine was far less tactful, but that was kinda the point... ;)

No I don't hope that MS breaks his legs. But this whole crying thing with Mika gets way too much play and seems to be used to diminish the stature and the character of a driver who deserves our respect.

#30 Bob Nomates

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 01:28

It isn't Mika's driving that will be remebered the most from last year it's this Posted Image

Your right about Schumacher on the other hand, but breaking his leg wasn't something that he had control over.

Also Schumacher's accident at Silverstone was far more serious than Hakkinens accident at Monza, Schumacher also lost alot more than Hakkinen did and did he start crying, no, he remained carm and profesional though out.

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 01:49

Surely you Bob also remember Schumacher from the several instances that he has cracked down under pressure, since you seem to like to remember only negative things.

I think Mika's 1998 and 1999 seasons are remembered from those massively succesful combacks against Schumacher (arguably with superior car and supposedly superior driver) - just think about Nurburgring 1998 and Suzuka 1999.

In any case, I think this is a pretty silly topic and trying to defend it is not very credible. But since Bob asked, I agree with those who said that it will be tears of joy in Suzuka for Mika.


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Posted 03 March 2000 - 01:54

hello
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#33 Damop

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 02:07

Let's be fair - any man that has the intestinal fortitude to marry Erja hzas courage. Maybe not good judgement, but definitely courage.

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 03:31

Damop - hehehe... :)

Bob - Mika had a much worse accident then MS ever did in Australia all those years ago - and nobody suggested that he cried, had hysterics or wet himself. In fact, his first words (apparently) when he woke up were "was it my fault?"

Once again you are using Mika's outburst of emotion to label him as weak - look at your direct comparison to MS breaking his legs( as though the 2 had any bearing on each other) - Mika cries when he spins a car but Mikey is stoic when he breaks his legs... what tripe.

How well in control of his emotions was MS when he strode down the pitlane at Spa, ready to sock it to DC? Was this stocisim? Professionalism?

If you want to remember MH for bawling for 1999, then you're welcome to it. I will remember him as World Drivers Champion....

#35 Bob Nomates

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 03:49

Micheal was proffesional under the curcumstance's, Spa was not his fault, what DC did was dangerous and he needed to realise that.
Is slowing down on the racing line in blinding conditions professional, no, it would have be justified if Schumacher had dragged out of his garage and given him a good hiding in the pitlane infront of the whole world, what would have happened if he'd killed him????

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 03:56

Micheal had also realised that he had lost the championship at that point as well as breaking a leg, and when they strechered him off he didn't forget to wave to the crowd.

When Mika went off the championship was not lost and he totally lost it, throwing his gloves around and jumping about, if he lets things get to him then he will lose the championship, he should have walked off with a stiff upper lip like Damon used to do.

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 04:03

If this is the case, please explain how his professionalism was in evidence at Canada 1998, or Argentina 1998 or Jerez 1997 or Adelaide 1994.... for someone who drives into other cars with the gay abandon that MS does, he certainly does take strong exception when the shoe is on the other foot...

Might not HHF have been injured?

Might not JV have been injured?

Might not DH have been injured?

The fact that none of them were is certainly no thanks to MS. - and I don't remember any of them running up and down the pitlane in a snit looking to "give someone a good hiding" as you charmingly suggest.

Do you think that MS deserved a good hiding from the respective drivers in those circumstances?

MS was certainly NOT professional under the circumstances. Somehow acting like a spoiled 6 year old just doesn't strike me as "professional" - no matter what spin you try to put on it.

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 04:16

In the case of HHF he didn't see him you can't go around accusing people of pushing them out of the way just because it looked like that on the telly, I suppose you think Micheal should have punched his brother for taking him out of the Nurburgring race?

The JV incident was Micheals fault but it wasn't a serious knock and done at a slow speed, I would have love to have seen if JV could have made it around that corner without Micheals help.

The Damon accident I think if it was going to injure any of the drivers it would have been Micheal hiself as his car nearly turned over.
I do happen to think that Micheal did that on purpose, but again Damon did not cry and that must have been far more frustrating for him than Hakkinens incident, Damon kept composed and even gave a statement about what he thought happened in a very professional way, Damon has a good strong charater.

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 05:39

Ave !!!

Bob I dont get you. You argue that among other things Mikas crying at Monza differs from Michaels accident at Silverstone, right after you suggest that Mika cruying showed that he cracked, thus contradicting your self. You see if Mika cracked his reaction was not under his control, incidentally when humans go into shock as I would assume Michael did at Silverstone they rarely cry and do not even feel a lot of pain, the pain comes later. What I also fail to understand is the assumption that Mika lost it because he cracked when for I all I could see it is just as likely that he cracked because he lost it.

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 06:20

Bob - so Mikey is innocent because he didn't see HHF in Canada... well I'll bet you anything that DC didn't see MS at Spa - so he must be innocent....

As to the rest, suggesting that crashing into another car is alright if you think that you won't injure someone - that's just absurd.

Actually I don't think that MS should have run down the pitlane at Nurburgring to pound little brother - but then he shouldn't have at Spa either.

As to JV - ah! So that's what MS was doing! "Helping" him around the corner!.... cynical old me... I thought he was trying to knock him out of the race to secure the Championship... huh. Learn something new everyday.... :rolleyes:


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Posted 03 March 2000 - 06:31

Well you know, he was just doing what he could to help! :)

Oh.. and I don't think he was quite in shock at Silverstone. Those in shock don't tend to have the first words out of their mouth as.."It was the brakes, call the pits and have them bring in the other car to be checked and call my wife and tell her I'm O.K.".

No, that's not shocked.

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 08:18

Bob Nomates, I'm pretty much with you on Spa 98. whatever conclusions we might draw, DC, at least, showed poor judgement in that incident. for MS's part--ok, we might say that he blew it as well, and he didn't gain any sympathy by acting as though everything, by divine right, should go his way alone. whatever, I think that MS had good reason to be upset.

Bruce, the HHF incident in Canada 98 is interesting in that, MS, for once, struck a car he (supposedly) didn't see!

Damop, yes, indeed, MH is a brave man. recall that the Finn fractured his skull in a near-fatal accident qualifying for the 95 Australia GP. he was literally minutes away from death. afterwards, he was basically skin and bones. he suffered from dizziness, which necessitated an inner ear operation. nevertheless he was determined to climb back into the cockpit for the 96 season. it was indeed chilling to see him continuously rub the side of his head through post-race press conferences that year--he obviously hadn't fully recovered.

by contrast, MS, "our hero," breaks his leg, recovers, and then goes off to play soccer.

so tell me, which driver belongs in a GP car?

#43 Tarnik

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Posted 03 March 2000 - 10:38

People criticize Mika for not showing emotion and personality, then he cries after messing up and spinning at high speed into the sand during an important race. Mika and MS are classic antagonists, and it should be fun to watch this season.

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Posted 04 March 2000 - 03:25

Bob Nomates, you can't be serious with this Schumacher's accident was far worse than Hakkinen's thing. Schumacher broke his leg and possibly the 1999 WDC, Hakkinen broke his SKULL and nearly lost his life. Which one would you rather have broken, your skull or your leg?





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Posted 04 March 2000 - 03:38

Mila, MS hasn't played in a soccer match in more than 7 months. And anyway, what is wrong with that? He could've lost his life that day, and maybe he's thankful he's alive, and able to enjoy the pleasures in his life, like playing soccer. Just like the first glass of apple juice Mika had after his accident in '95 never tasted better.

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Posted 04 March 2000 - 07:39

thanks for responding, Peeko. taking time to "smell the roses" seems like a reasonable summation--for the most part. I would likewise guess that, for MH--simply grateful to be alive--the apple juice never tasted better. MS was grateful too--but in a different sense, he was grateful not to be at Ferrari. the team's number 1 was calling in sick while the number 2 driver was establishing himself in the WDC race--not something the anointed one wanted to be a part of. judging from his reaction to the news that his star was able to play soccer, I don't believe that Luca would have agreed with you defense.

the conflicting stories around this time concerning MS's return--which, effectively, deceived his employer--cost the job of one spokesperson. we have to lay the blame somewhere, don't we? but even still we are subject to speculation over the German's health.

I don't mean to sound off, Peeko, but (and I've said this before) I'm tired of MH not getting the respect he deserves.


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Posted 04 March 2000 - 11:37

#1 I do respect Mika

#2 I don't ever recall hearing about Luca being angered at MS playing in a soccer match. I clearly remember Luca asking "if he can test, why can't he drive?", but never anything about soccer. If have a link to this story, please set me up, cause I'd love to read about it.

#3 There is absolutley nothing you can prove to suggest MS was happy not to be at Ferrari. How can you say he didn't want to be a part of it when he "won" the Maylasian GP for Eddie Irvine?? If he wanted, he could've 'slipped up' and let MIka 'sneak' by in Malaysia leaving Eddie to fend for himself.

As for who deserves to be in a GP car, they both do. Plain and simple. Both of them.

#48 mono-posto

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Posted 04 March 2000 - 12:00

Peeko, I think this is what Mila was refering to...

"Ferrari president, Luca di Montezemolo, revealed today that he personally ordered Michael Schumacher to return to racing for the last two races of the season. Speaking to
The Times, di Montezemolo told reporter Kevin Eason that after Schumacher declared himself unfit to race, he called the German's house in Geneva to check his progress. Schumacher's daughter, Gina-Maria, answered the phone and told di Montezemolo that "daddy was getting out his football boots." Di Montezemolo said he realized that if Schumacher was fit to play football, then he was surely fit to race."

#49 Bob Nomates

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Posted 04 March 2000 - 22:58

Why is everyone going on about Mika breaking his skull????...I was talking about Mika crying at Monza, of course Mika's accident in 95 was worse than Schumachers, I'm talking about Schumacher not crying when he lost the championship and broke his leg at the same time and Mika who cried when he span off at Monza, big difference between the two I think!!!!

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Posted 04 March 2000 - 23:15

Bruce, Hitting someone at low speed is aceptable, drivers give each other little nudges all the time, Schumacher does it too and it is more noticeable because he is in the limelight but this sort of thing goes on right the way across the grid, Schumacher is by no means the worst in this respect, if Schumacher was driving in the arrows and took Zonta out of a race, nobody would take any notice but if he takes Hakkinen out at the first corner next Sunday people will go mad over it but in reality it's no different than any other driver doing it.
I think if your going to punish one driver for nudging then you have to punish them all.

With the situation with HHF in Canada, Schumacher came out of the pits on to the race track and was therefore racing again, it doesn't matter if he saw Frentzen or not, he tried to get to the first corner before Frentzen and beat him, Frentzen caught out thinking that Schumacher would back off for him and out breaked himself and went off, Frentzen always had the opertunity to use his breaks to prevent the accident but he choose to leave it in the hands of Schumacher and seeing as there racing this was his mistake.