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[5319]

It is rumoured that Ralf had few nice words to say to Michael after the race.It looks like 'baby' bro forgot that he is not perfect either.Just 4 years ago in the same place at the start he took Michael out of the race,which later basicly cost him a championship.Ralf also forgot that it was Michael who didn't complain about that move and even defended Ralf.

Ralf also does not remember how Michael was sincerely happy for his brother just two weeks ago.

[Mosquito]

There are no bad losers in F1. If you are not upset a lot about losing a race due to circumstances (be it of your own or inflicted by other drivers / bad luck), then you have no place in F1.

Senna was one of the worst losers ever I think, that's part of what gave him his tremendous drive and passion to beat everyone on and off the track.

I see enough reasons for Ralf to be upset (the start chop, the stop and go, just not enough laps to catch DC, etc), so unleasing a bit of that towards his brother only comes naturally I guess, it was the first and most natural selection for one of his grieves, and he just had to lose some steam obviously.

As stated by others: Ralf has a bad temper, but I don't think he's a bad loser.

Failure is not an option

[312 PB]

[tifosi]

5319

Is this the same Michael who went on about David Coulthard being a murderer or screamed about Damon Hill in Canada? I would always take what these guys say during and immediately after a race with a grain of salt.I'm sure by Sunday night Ralf and Michael were having a nice Sunday dinner at the Schumacher household.

[teck]

Maybe they were having fried plums of some sort.

[30ft penguin]

I guess it all went a bit too fast for poor Ralf. Simply "talented driver" for a long time, last year "sometimes near to the podium", this year all of a sudden potential championship contender and in any case one of the drivers you bet your nuts on at every grand prix. Newspaper headlines "is he better than his brother now", "duel of the brothers", etc.

I guess it all confused poor Ralf a bit, he now is totally fixed on beating Michael at every possible opportunity, because the media expects him to. And so, when Michael treats him the standard way - preventing him from overtaking him at the start, like he would do it to every other driver, extremely hard but within the rules, as is EXPECTED from Michael by his team - Ralf screams "foul !".

Hope Ralf soon realizes that there are no friends when it comes to fighting for race wins or even the championship.

[schumilover]

Originally posted by 30ft penguin

I guess it all confused poor Ralf a bit, he now is totally fixed on beating Michael at every possible opportunity, because the media expects him to.

who else is he obliged to beat at the moment?????????




as for the 97 incident as far as i recall fisi squeezed ralf and it became an open and shut case of 2 into 1 dont go.
of course "family feud " headlines sold papers but were little deserved.

[Hooster]

Originally posted by Mosquito
There are no bad losers in F1. [/i]

Ron Dennis is in F1.

[obi-one]

Originally posted by Hooster


Ron Dennis is in F1.

[30ft penguin]

who else is he obliged to beat at the moment?????????

You've read that one wrong.

I did not want to say

"he now is totally fixed on beating Michael at every possible opportunity, because the media expects him to."

I wanted to say

"he now is totally fixed on beating Michael at every possible opportunity, because the media expects him to."

And I think that since Ralf has never been in this situation so far (he never had the machinery or opportunity to really fight Michael for the win of a race), he is really, really pissed off when he thinks he somehow lost a chance to do so due to something he believes was unfair (i.e. Michael keeping him behind the hard way at the start, the "nitpicking" white line ruling, etc.). He seems a little bit too "pumped up" to me right now. I guess he simply should calm down and tell himself "there will be much more opportunities to beat my brother, forget about this one".

[Mischa]

Penguin, you took the words right out of my mouth...

Also, I suspect that the spat between the two is somewhat overemphasised by the media, as usual.

In reality, Ralf 'lost' that race all by himself. He didn't get his way at the start, got into sulk mode aggravated by Michael's superb defensive drive, overshot the pitstop and then crossed the pit exit line - a man under pressure IMHO. He'll learn.

[Captain Cook]

Originally posted by 30ft penguin
You've read that one wrong.

"he now is totally fixed on beating Michael at every possible opportunity, because the media expects him to."

And I think that since Ralf has never been in this situation so far (he never had the machinery or opportunity to really fight Michael for the win of a race), he is really, really pissed off when he thinks he somehow lost a chance to do so due to something he believes was unfair (i.e. Michael keeping him behind the hard way at the start, the "nitpicking" white line ruling, etc.). He seems a little bit too "pumped up" to me right now. I guess he simply should calm down and tell himself "there will be much more opportunities to beat my brother, forget about this one".

Of course he is fixed on beating Michael at every possible oppurtunity, thats a big part of any F1 drivers job. Surely that media comment is rather ridiculous coming from you. A person, I assume, who is interpreting F1, in its entirety, through the media. I image it is Frank Williams and Ralf himself who are doing the relevant expecting.....

You think he is too pumped up right now? Well if the next race was Canada maybe he would try for the inside line into the last chicane, driven on by the recent animosity....

Maybe the F1 soap opera could do with a 200mph family feud.;)

A bad looser? Thats a tad premature!

[30ft penguin]

Originally posted by Captain Cook
Surely that media comment is rather ridiculous coming from you. A person, I assume, who is interpreting F1, in its entirety, through the media. I image it is Frank Williams and Ralf himself who are doing the relevant expecting.....

Yes, sure - I am no insider But from what I saw after the race (Ralf looking extremely pissed off, not answering ANY questions, cancelling the post-race party at Williams), I got the impression that Ralf was far more pumped up than after any other race I can remember. And his anger was quite clearly directed at Michael. So have a look at Ralf pre-powerWilliams, have a look at Ralf now, read his "I want to beat Michael" comments, have a look at how Ralf talked to Michael after this race (just look at his face ) and then add 1 and 1 together ...

[selena]

He is not a bad loser but I think he was upset with the whole situation especially with the penalty imposed. Perhaps also he was thinking too much about beating MS in this race as what he did in Canada. This made him more upset but I think he has just got to think of letting this one go, put it in the past and fight again another day.

[Chris G.]

I hope Mr. B's next one is about MS and Ralf after Europe.

[Wolf]

Mosquito- 'Stirling [Moss, of course ;), my insert] once told me that when he had lost the race, he could put it out of his mind and sleep like a baby, but the night after he'd won was likely to be sleepless. This is competitors typical reaction. For the ordinry man, the situation would be exactly opposite...' L. Pomeroy in 'All But My Life'.;)

[f1girl]

This is all specualtion. I have not read any quote of Ralf's after this race that suggested he was mad at Micheal. If you have got one post otherwise give me a break already. Ofcourse he would have looked somewhat annoyed after this race, the severity of that penalty was totally gay.

[TheDestroyer]

I have to agree with F1girl... I seriously doubt Ralf had words with Schumi and if he did it would most likely have been because of Ralf's disappointment AND NOT because of any hostility or anger towards his brother...

[30ft penguin]

After the Race, at the weighing area, Ralf walked towards Michael, failed to congratulate him, but instead had a few words with him while looking VERY annoyed. The he stormed away, and Michael looked quite concerned.

I have only seen this scene once on TV (it was not shown on the standard feed), but here's what formula1.com has to say about it:

"Yet, Michael's actions did not stop his brother from confronting him. During the post-race weigh in, Ralf did not hesitate to have a chat with the winner of the race, and by the looks of it, this time congratulations were most likely replaced by harsh words.

Although the 25-year-old BMW driver did not wish to repeat them in front of the press, the comments made yesterday after the race suffice to describe his feelings. "I do not want to say anything because I might regret it," said Ralf, believing he could still have claimed a second successive victory but for the enforced extra stop.

After witnessing the confrontation, David Coulthard, who has also been a victim of Schumacher's aggressive style at race starts in the past, said: "It was nice to see Ralf having a chat with Michael after the race as he was clearly not happy."

Of course this does not explicitly quote Ralf as saying "I am mad at Michael", but why else would he shout at MICHAEL after the race ? Clearly not because of himself crossing the white line, because that's not Michael's fault.

[asterix]

all speculation thou isn;t it!

[tifosi]

Since I am about 99.9999% positive they were speaking in German, and I do not believe DC knows German, I seriously doubt if anybody knows what they were talking about. He may have been venting on the stop-and-go for all we know. Amazing how a bunch of no-talent media types can hype evryone up with a bunch of headlines and no backup to substantiate it.

[TheDestroyer]

Be realistic too... What does Michael have to do with Ralf's penalty? Nothing. Hence, Ralf has nothing to be pissed at Michael about.

[Viss1]

Ralf's exact words to Michael were, "You were supposed to have Max create a penalty for Juan, not me, dumkopf!"

[Captain Cook]

Originally posted by 30ft penguin
Yes, sure - I am no insider But from what I saw after the race (Ralf looking extremely pissed off, not answering ANY questions, cancelling the post-race party at Williams), I got the impression that Ralf was far more pumped up than after any other race I can remember. And his anger was quite clearly directed at Michael. So have a look at Ralf pre-powerWilliams, have a look at Ralf now, read his "I want to beat Michael" comments, have a look at how Ralf talked to Michael after this race (just look at his face ) and then add 1 and 1 together ...

Did you come up with 2 eventually?;)

I hear what you are saying. However in your previous post I believe you commented on the unequivocal height of the stakes. You were saying he didn't shake hands. I don't shake hands with my siblings all that much either!!

Ralf has a far deeper understanding of Michael then any other driver. His actions towards him cannot be interpreted along the same lines as DC's (for example!) actions towards Michael.

Ralf will grab some nookie and a good nights sleep and he'll be a new man afterwards.....

I wished you were right though, the family feud would be most interesting.

[bleakuzs]

Originally posted by Viss1
Ralf's exact words to Michael were, "You were supposed to have Max create a penalty for Juan, not me, dumkopf!"

[Darrenj]

Awe c'mon guys this is getting stale, everyone who looses to Micheal is a sore loser.
Lets pick a new topic, like will whose ass will Ron try to fit up into for the next race in France?

[Rudolf]

I think Ralf was bad at Michael because he was yelling at him and he said afterwards, "I don't want to say anything I might regret." That gives me the impression he is at the point in time mad at Michael but doesn't want to blow it out of proporsion.

Tempers are always high after a race a I don't think he's a bad loser but was just a little bit angry.

[tifoso]

We certainly expect an awful lot from these guys. First we want our driver to win. If they do, we want them to be gracious. If they don't, we want them to be good sports. I put very little stock in what they say immediately after a race. They've just been through a trying physical and emotional experience, requiring concentration over a 2-hour period very few of us are required to exert and we expect them to act like we'd want our golfing buddies to act. I think that's unrealistic. I really don't care how they act, as long as it's short of criminal activity. (That's pretty much why I stopped watching American football and basketball.) If I want a role model, I'll look to people I really know -- like my dad for instance.

So what if Ralf was pissed at his brother? So what if he never gets over it (which I think is unlikely)?

[5319]

Originally posted by tifosi
5319

Is this the same Michael who went on about David Coulthard being a murderer or screamed about Damon Hill in Canada? I would always take what these guys say during and immediately after a race with a grain of salt.I'm sure by Sunday night Ralf and Michael were having a nice Sunday dinner at the Schumacher household.

I was actually asking about Ralf,not Michael.

[TheDestroyer]

5319, I have to agree... Immediate post race comments probably don't really reflect how that driver feels....

Though you have to admit that one incident when Schumi rear-ended DC in the rain was a bone head move on DC's part... Pouring rain, no visbility and he's going slow ONLINE.


Just to fan the flames a tad.

[tifosi]

5319,


Oops, sorry.

But my point again was, you have to dismiss everything said immediately after a race. I know when I go into the locker room right after a hockey game, I say a lot of crap, but by the time I'm to the parking lot, I'm ready to have a beer with whoever it was I was bitching about.

[5319]

Tifosi,I have to agree and I was too sharp to call Ralf a bad looser.He is jsut a spoilt baby,that's it,nothing more.