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[Gil Bouffard]

I'M BAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKK!

I gotta say that I was surprised that this thread is still among the top ten after so long...

Did you knwo that organizers of today's GPs have a choice of Three (Count them!) Three different trophies that can be presented to the podium finishers at a F-1 race!?!

As with everything else....From the post race "interview," to the champers spraying....to the trophy presentation...All is orchestrated and uniform so as not to look disorganized..

Haven't done a CART or NASCAR race in a while, but I remember that you had to be called upon to ask questions after a CART race.

Gotta keep the riff raff outta tha mix!

Its that same thing with those bloody sunglasses! If I wanted to interview Ricky Racoon, I'd go down to the local zoo..

All the Stockcar drivers look like "The Beagle Boys," gang from the old Mickey Mouse comic books.

Gil

[jarama]

Hi, all,

I've been away for a (very, very long) while, but I'm back again.

Felix, it seems as if you're right. I've been checking the podium shots on the 1986 and 1987 seasons, and there is no trace of laurel wreaths after the '86 Canadian GP.

[cjpani]

Welcome back Jarama!!
any new scale models on your bookshelf??
regards
Carlos

[Felix Muelas]

Carles,

Thank God you're back!
And yes, it took you almost a year...
Gracias por volver

there is no trace of laurel wreaths after the '86 Canadian GP.

I am still trying to figure out where did I saw that Canada podium shot...and then scan it!
Un abrazo
Felix

[jarama]

Carlos, Félix,

Gracias x vuestra calurosa bienvenida.

He estado casi un año en que sólo de vez en cuando podía echar un vistazo y realmente tenía ganas de volver a ponerme al día. He cambiado de trabajo, de casa... pero en fin, vuelvo a estar otra vez aquí.

Un abrazo,

Carles.

PD: Mis colecciones de 1/43 (Porsches y Coches de GP) han ido aumentando mientras tanto.

Mi nueva dirección electrónica, es la siguiente: cbr911@wanadoo.es

[Felix Muelas]

Because we do not want to make the rest of the readers feel like they are being left aside...

Originally posted by jarama
Carlos, Félix,
Gracias x vuestra calurosa bienvenida.
Thanks for your warm welcome
He estado casi un año en que sólo de vez en cuando podía echar un vistazo y realmente tenía ganas de volver a ponerme al día. He cambiado de trabajo, de casa... pero en fin, vuelvo a estar otra vez aquí.
For almost a full year it has been difficult for me to come and pay a visit here, and I was really looking forward to come back and get up to date. I have changed my job, my home but I am finally back here!
Un abrazo,
Carles.
PD: Mis colecciones de 1/43 (Porsches y Coches de GP) han ido aumentando mientras tanto.
PS : Of course my collections of 1/43 models (Porsches and GP cars) have been increasing...
Mi nueva dirección electrónica, es la siguiente: cbr911@wanadoo.es
(Well guessed : Carles is telling us about his new email address ;)

fm

[jarama]

Félix,

Thankyou for your translation. I've been so touched with your warm welcome, that I've forgotten
that we are not alone,

Carles.

[Rob29]

Just looking at winner of Superbike race at Monza beiing presented with nice laurel garland with Italian flag ribbons.

[Felix Muelas]

Originally posted by Felix Muelas
I am still trying to figure out where did I saw that Canada podium shot...and then scan it!

Took me longer than expected...


But now that I look at it, what the hell is that knife-edged thing? The Trophy? Jean Marie Balestre´s hat?
Can we consider those leaves as laurel? (an expert´s opinion on cooking would be very welcomed, both for the laurel identification part and also for the kind-of-killing-looking-device)

Felix

[Flash]

Isn't that a part of the trophy with the laurel leaves Felix?

[Tony Condon]

Back in the good olddays when motor racing was dangerous and sex wasn,t ,winners Of GPs would be draped with Laurel wreaths at the prize giving ceremonies
Indeed some of the most iconic images of the racing in the 60s and 70s were pictures of graham hill,jackie stewart ,james hunt etc wearing the laurel wreath
This appears to have ceased in the late 70s /early 80s ,does anyone know why ?,also what was the last GP to feature the Laurel wreath

Cheers tony

[Rockford]

This thread might help...

http://forums.autosp...t=laurel wreath

[JB Miltonian]

Slightly off topic, but this brings up a pet peeve of mine. The Champagne-spraying celebration used after every race is really just stupid, and shows no class. It should be discontinued. Says me.

[Tony Condon]

Hi thanks for that
It looks after some deliberation on that previous thred that the definative date for some one wearing a laurel wreath was Prost -Monza 1985
i think also that spraying champagne is good as you wouldn,t want to drink it

Cheers tony

[scags]

my Unckle Mel thinks the winners should get a laurel, and hearty handshake.

[MCS]

Originally posted by Tony Condon

i think also that spraying champagne is good as you wouldn,t want to drink it

Why, exactly

[Catalina Park]

Originally posted by scags
my Unckle Mel thinks the winners should get a laurel, and hearty handshake.

Like this?

[Stephen W]

Originally posted by Catalina Park


Like this?

Couldn't see the laurel wreath in the picture posted just a still from Blazing Saddles!

Some people are NOT taking this seriously! Thank God!

[scags]

You never hear Shumi say"nobody moves, or the Kraut gets it", do you? Catalina, is that a podium shot from the "Governor Le Potamaine GP"?

[Catalina Park]

Originally posted by scags
You never hear Shumi say"nobody moves, or the Kraut gets it", do you? Catalina, is that a podium shot from the "Governor Le Potamaine GP"?

I thought it was the Rock Ridge Grand Prix.

[D-Type]

I found this thread while trying to find out when laurel wreaths were first used. The question was asked back on page 1 but wasn't answered. Was it back in the Gorden Bennet era? Or were they introduced in Mussolini's time as part of the 'racing drivers are the modern successors to the ancient Roman gladiators' spin?

[Vitesse2]

Not sure when they started, Duncan, but I can lay down a marker in that all the class winners at the 1926 German GP got one. And of course there are the pictures of Dick Seaman wearing what looks more like a hedge in 1938 ....

[The Famous]

I realize it is not F1, but Watkins Glen has brought back the "Wreath" for the IRL Indy Car Race! And as tradition, it was presented to Seneca Lodge to hang on the famous "wall" with the other wreaths of F1 drivers who have won at the Glen.

In a ceremony at the Lodge, the wreath form the IRL race was presented by Cameron Argetsinger (left) to Jim Brubaker (Lodge owner) to hang on the "wall".

Glad to see the tradition carry on!

[Rob29]

I seem to remember a coment many years ago that they must be called garlands."Wreaths are for the dead"

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Rob29
I seem to remember a coment many years ago that they must be called garlands."Wreaths are for the dead"

Concise Oxford Dictionary definitions:
wreath
flowers or leaves fastened in a ring especially as an ornament for a person's head or a building or for laying on a grave etc as a mark of honour or respect
garland
a wreath of flowers, leaves etc worn on the head or hung as a decoration

[LaRascasse]

In regard to Champagne spraying, I also believe that Watkins Glen always used a local "Champagne" such as Gold Seal or Great Western in their podium ceremony.

Also, thanks to The Famous for the great pic of the Seneca Lodge.

[D-Type]

Further to my question about the first laurel garlands: I have come across a picture of the triumphant Mercedes team of 1914 on their return to Germany. The drivers are wearing small garlands on their heads over their helmets, the mechanics are wearing their helmets but no garlands, and the cars have large garlands on their noses.

So my hypothesis that they started with Mussolini and his policy of a 'new Roman empire' is disproved. I think!

[mariner]

The usual apologies if this is a repeat question.

 

My son and I were watching the Brasil GP today on TV and he asked me question I can't answer.

 

" What was the last F1 GP at which the winner was given a wreath to put over his head?"

 

I can remember seeing that happen often in the 1970's etc bu it doesn't seem to happen any more. I have no idea when or why it seems to have stopped.

 

Was it when Benie went all corporate maybe?

[D-Type]

I don't think this particular question has been asked before as searches for "wreath", "garland".or "laurel" didn't turn up anything although I vaguely remember a thread.

 

I have seen a reference somewhere that as the era of commercial sponsorship developed with sponsors' patches appearing on drivers' overalls, some of the sponsors complained that their brand names were being obscured.  I've also seen it suggested that presentation of laurel garlands wouldn't fit with the 'modern' standardised podium ceramony where following the raisingh of flags and playing the winners' anthems, 4 local dignitaries present trophies to the top 3 drivers and the winning entrant and the drivers then spray champagne (or fizzy fruit drink in Moslem countries).

 

Although the change corresponds with the rise of Bernie's Formula 1™ organisation I don't think that it's directly attributable to a decision by Bernie

Edited by D-Type, 24 November 2013 - 23:06.

[AAA-Eagle]

As far as I know 1986 Italian GP was the last time the winner of F1 Grand Prix race was given a laurel wreath/garland on the podium. Jean-Marie Balestre put it on the shoulders of Nelson Piquet, but a few seconds later Nelson dropped it on podium's floor.

[Bill Becketts]

It was stopped (I can't remember when) so that none of the Sponsor's Logo's on the overalls were covered on the podium.

 

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[Glengavel]

I remember a comment in Autocar many years ago over whether it was a 'wreath' or a 'garland'. The author's view was that 'wreath' was more suitable for some drivers who seemed to be dead from the neck up...

[Rob29]

I seem to recall that the answer to this question was 'wreaths are for the dead' A perhaps related loss I noticed yesterday is the lack of race numbers on the cars?  

[Allan Lupton]

 A perhaps related loss I noticed yesterday is the lack of race numbers on the cars?  

I've been complaining about that for years, or perhaps decades.

RAC MSA Regulation J4.1 is quite specific about the size, colour and location of competition numbers, and although there are dispensations for go-karts and some saloon car championships. Nevertheless the British Grand Prix is run without compiance with the rules, although as they still refer to car numbers when reporting that penalties have been imposed, there must be numbers allocated.

For some reason we are back to the early days of Brooklands when one of the things they based on horse racing was using drivers' (jockeys') colours to identify the cars.

Edited by Allan Lupton, 25 November 2013 - 09:46.

[D-Type]

I think the numbers are still there - somewhere - usually a tiny number on the nose.  By 'tiny' I mean about 3in / 75mm high.  Coloured so they don't stand out.  After all, they can't let spectators and TV audiences recognise the cars if it means less advertising space.

[bsc]

Nevertheless the British Grand Prix is run without compiance with the rules, although as they still refer to car numbers when reporting that penalties have been imposed, there must be numbers allocated.

For some reason we are back to the early days of Brooklands when one of the things they based on horse racing was using drivers' (jockeys') colours to identify the cars.

The cars still feature numbers on their bodywork, although they are so small that they are nigh in impossible to read from any distance. For this reason any marshals reports refer to the car make and the colour of the on board TV camera. For instance, Felipe Massa would be referred to a 'Ferrari, yellow', rather than car #4.

[Allan Lupton]

The cars still feature numbers on their bodywork, although they are so small that they are nigh in impossible to read from any distance. For this reason any marshals reports refer to the car make and the colour of the on board TV camera. For instance, Felipe Massa would be referred to a 'Ferrari, yellow', rather than car #4.

I'm sure you get a good briefing about that but how do you know which make the car is - Ferrari is easy as it is still mainly in the Italian national colour - except by memorising some 11 different combinations of sponsors' signwriting?

[bsc]

I'm sure you get a good briefing about that but how do you know which make the car is - Ferrari is easy as it is still mainly in the Italian national colour - except by memorising some 11 different combinations of sponsors' signwriting?

I've not came across any form of briefing. Instead, the only solution is to study as many pictures as possible in advance of the race meeting. It is not fool proof though. This year, from certain angles the Sauber and Williams cars looked near identical, but one gets by.

[Derwent Motorsport]

The thing that annoys me about the F1 presentations these days is that when (always!) Red Bull win, we get the Austrian national anthem. The only thing about Red Bull that is Austrian is the owner! The 600 staff are nearly all British including my son!

I remember reading that when Benetton won their first race, very unexpectedly, some one rushed to their pit and asked what anthem they wanted played and was told by Bentton's owner to place the British one as that was where the team were based.

[David McKinney]

He who pays the piper...?

[Collombin]

I don't think this particular question has been asked before as searches for "wreath", "garland".or "laurel" didn't turn up anything although I vaguely remember a thread.

 

Yes I remember a thread too, so maybe it just isn't showing up in the post-downgrade search function.

 

The latest race mentioned in that thread was 1985, so it seems AAA-Eagle's suggestion of 1986 Italian GP is the new leading candidate.

[Tim Murray]

Here's the main earlier thread:

 

Laurel wreaths

 

(there are others, but they contain no useful info)

 

The latest race suggested there is the 1986 Canadian GP, so the 1986 Italian GP is now the leading contender.

[BRG]

The thing that annoys me about the F1 presentations these days is that when (always!) Red Bull win, we get the Austrian national anthem. The only thing about Red Bull that is Austrian is the owner! The 600 staff are nearly all British including my son!

I remember reading that when Benetton won their first race, very unexpectedly, some one rushed to their pit and asked what anthem they wanted played and was told by Bentton's owner to place the British one as that was where the team were based.

It's simple.  They play the National Anthem of the country in which the winning team is evading payment of tax.