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[Smooth]

Following the German Grand Prix Dutchman Jos Verstappen has warned Colombian Juan Pablo Montoya to behave or he could make it harder in the future when he tries to lap him.

Montoya, who has started from pole position for the first time in his Formula One career, was leading the race when on lap 20 he caught Verstappen and lapped him, but the Colombian was not happy with the Arrows driver's behaviour and waved his hand at him.

Verstappen, who finished the race in ninth place, claimed Montoya had no reason to complain, as he had not slowed him down. The Dutchman also warned the rookie to behave in the future.

"I don't know what happened," Verstappen told Atlas F1. "I just saw it on television - he gave me the finger! And I don't see any reason for that. But if he wants to do it like that, I can make his life a bit harder next time.

"What I heard from the team is that he was only one tenth slower on that sector and so I didn't hold him up, and there was no reason for him to behave like that. But if he continues like that, I can make it harder for him."



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Certainly JPM knows what JV is capable of after Brazil!;)

[MortenF1]

I think Verstappen is really stupid, saying such! He obviously held up JPM, and he wasn't more helpful when RS came round. Both RS and JPM gave him some hand gestures!

[KinetiK]

Verstappen has quite a temper, doesn't he? Wasn't he arrested & charged for battery after an incident at a karting track a year or so ago?

[MortenF1]

Yup, thats right! wasn't it as recent as last year? I've also heard that he biced around drunk at a GP-track a few years ago...!

[iago]

Hmm... Jos is going a bit too far IMHO. Not content with punting JPM off at Brazil, blocking him at Hockenheim, he now wants to make JPM's life more difficult. Not very professional and completely petty.

Still, if he makes it too difficult, he'll get a stop and go or a black flag, which might make Tom W very happy as he won't need to clear out all the gravel from when Jos goes spinning off later on in the race ;)

I think Jos's *incident* (ahem) was within the last few years definitely - it may have been as recent as last winter (or the winter before that).

[John]

Yes, apparently he and his father were involved in that incident.
He's pretty tough it seems. I like him as a driver but there is a protocol for overtaking.

People wonder why MS has an easy time overtaking....it has been said that MS approached the backmarkers some time ago and explained to them the best line to take in these situations. It isn't that he's doing this out of arrogance, although it can be said, but taking the time to discuss this with the backmarkers makes a difference rather than arrogantly displaying a signal on the circuit.

I'm not an MS fan, but he tends to notice these details and it makes his life a bit easier doesn't it?

Take a lesson Ralf & JPM.

[KinetiK]

Completely stolen from AtlasF1.com (who btw definitely need a different search engine for their database! http://www.atlasf1.c...ws/1998/694.htm

Wednesday May 20, 1998
The Belgian Police will investigate a fight, which reportedly involved Jos Verstappen. The fight took place on an indoor Kart track. It was said he wanted to drive with a couple of friends and did not want anyone else there. Another group did come onto the track and one man even overtook Verstappen, this resulted in a fight, which left a 45 year old man in hospital. He has a fractured jaw and a crack in his scull.

The investigation will probably last a couple of days. Verstappen strongly denies the allegation that he harmed anyone. He does state however that there was an argument, but that he left before the man got hurt.

UPDATE:
http://www.atlasf1.c...p/id/3128/.html

Monday October 30th, 2000

Dutch Formula One driver Jos Verstappen was found guilty of assault by a Belgian court on Monday, but received a five-year suspended sentence after reaching an out-of-court settlement with the victim.

"Verstappen was found guilty of fracturing the victim's skull," assistant public prosecutor Cedric Stuyck told Reuters by telephone.

Under Belgian law, a defendant who has reached a financial settlement with a victim can receive a lighter sentence, he said.

Stuyck would not provide details of the settlement agreed to in the Verstappen case.

Verstappen, 28, will escape a custodial sentence if he stays out of trouble for the next five years. The assault charge carried a possible maximum sentence of five years in jail.

Stuyck said the public prosecutor's office was happy with the guilty verdict handed down but would "examine whether we're happy with the sentence".

Verstappen was not present in court. His father, who was also involved in the incident, received the same sentence.

The charges went back to an incident at a karting track in the Belgian town of Lanaken, near Tongeren, in May 1998.

The Verstappens and a group of friends became involved in a fracas with another group of people who wanted to use the track.

After a fight, a 45-year-old man was left with a fractured skull. (bolding is mine)

"A settlement was reached between the parties before the case even got to court," Stuyck said.

Verstappen finished 12th in this year's Formula One World Championship, with five points.

[MortenF1]

If MS goes around educating the backmarkers, they should be able to remember his lessons when others come up to lap them too...!

[tifoso]

Originally posted by John
People wonder why MS has an easy time overtaking....it has been said that MS approached the backmarkers some time ago and explained to them the best line to take in these situations. It isn't that he's doing this out of arrogance, although it can be said, but taking the time to discuss this with the backmarkers makes a difference rather than arrogantly displaying a signal on the circuit.

I'm not an MS fan, but he tends to notice these details and it makes his life a bit easier doesn't it?

John, it even goes beyond that. Here's a quote by Rossett:

"He [Schumacher] is always very polite. If I'm sitting next to him in the drivers' briefing he always says hello and chats with me. He is also very correct on the track. If he is on a slowing-down lap in qualifying and I am coming through on a fast one, he will go off line and even get dust on his tyres to get out of my way. He has respect. Others I could mention, including once recent World Champion, stick to their line, don't care if they mess up my lap. I remember this, so when Schumacher comes through in a race to lap me I show him respect and get out of his way immediately. Buy why should I show similar respect to the other guys, who don't respect me and ruin my qualifying laps?"

[KinetiK]

Originally posted by tifoso

John, it even goes beyond that. Here's a quote by Rossett:

"He [Schumacher] is always very polite. If I'm sitting next to him in the drivers' briefing he always says hello and chats with me. He is also very correct on the track. If he is on a slowing-down lap in qualifying and I am coming through on a fast one, he will go off line and even get dust on his tyres to get out of my way. He has respect. Others I could mention, including once recent World Champion, stick to their line, don't care if they mess up my lap. I remember this, so when Schumacher comes through in a race to lap me I show him respect and get out of his way immediately. Buy why should I show similar respect to the other guys, who don't respect me and ruin my qualifying laps?"

Tifoso, I've seen this quote before several times and was wondering who the "Recent World Champion" was. Is that Jacques?

[pa]

Those bloody Dutchmen are such notorious hotheads, while the Colombians are a quiet, shy, peaceful people.

[karlth]

Originally posted by KinetiK


Tifoso, I've seen this quote before several times and was wondering who the "Recent World Champion" was. Is that Jacques?

Yes.

[mhferrari]

Verstappen is going overboard. It is one thing if a driver is very aggressive, but if you seek vengance, that is too much.

[Scudetto]

Jos's a tough cookie, alright. I can't imagine how much harder he could make JPM's life this season - he already robbed him of a potential race win.

Still, Jos is a great character and still able to perform in a good car. I remember him getting a podium or two when he partnered MS at Benetton in 94. It was also that year, I think, when Jos's car turned into a fuel-air bomb during a pitstop in Hockenheim.

I've heard that as of the British GP he had led stats in passing for position on track with 50+ passes or the like. Any updated stats on that?

[arcwulf7]

Originally posted by Smooth

"I don't know what happened," Verstappen told Atlas F1. "I just saw it on television - he gave me the finger! And I don't see any reason for that. But if he wants to do it like that, I can make his life a bit harder next time.

"What I heard from the team is that he was only one tenth slower on that sector and so I didn't hold him up, and there was no reason for him to behave like that. But if he continues like that, I can make it harder for him."



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Certainly JPM knows what JV is capable of after Brazil!;)

I guess JPM has learned after Brazil that if don't want Verstappen to make some mule headed manoever into your rear wing when you're lapping him -- FIRST you have to get his attention. I guess -- i suppose an upraised middle finger will have to suffice for a 2 X 4 in racing circumstances. But obviously if you are going to pass Jos on an indoor karting track, the 2 X 4 is much more effective.

[Jerry Lee]

Ever since Brazil, JPM always gives Jos the finger whenever he laps him!

He even prank calls him once in a while!

[Andy]

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Originally posted by KinetiK


Tifoso, I've seen this quote before several times and was wondering who the "Recent World Champion" was. Is that Jacques?
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Originally posted by karlth


Yes.

Any you know this how?? Possibly it's Mika, after all, this is the same "former WC" who immediately refused to help out his own teammate this year if it had been required!

[Peeko]

Actually, Andy, it can't be Mika, as I think this comment was made juring the 1998 season, and Mika wasn't WC yet. Could be Hill.

[cjpani]

I wonder where is frans....

[Turbo]

How will Verstappen make it harder for JPM--by running into the back of him while he's in the lead again?

[tifoso]

Originally posted by Peeko
Actually, Andy, it can't be Mika, as I think this comment was made juring the 1998 season, and Mika wasn't WC yet. Could be Hill.

This is correct. It's either Hill or Villeneuve.

[karlth]

Originally posted by Andy
Any you know this how?? Possibly it's Mika, after all, this is the same "former WC" who immediately refused to help out his own teammate this year if it had been required!

Rosset's Schumacher comments were made after a pretty well documented row between Villeneuve and the Brazilian.

[Andy]

Originally posted by karlth
Rosset's Schumacher comments were made after a pretty well documented row between Villeneuve and the Brazilian.

Don't get me wrong, I was just curious how you "knew" it was Jacques as you did not justify it as you have now done. I know I'm a JVi fan, however I do take notice of who moves over for whom in qualifying and must say I thought JVi always did a pretty good job of making sure, if not on a fast lap, he was out of everyone's way. He, of all people, knows first-hand how dangerous a slow car is during qualifying! (i.e. Gilles' accident) From what you say, maybe it was a similar "personal" qualm these too had, like Jos & JPM?

[KinetiK]

What I can't believe is that BAR (not the best decision makers in the whole world) chose Rosset over Verstappen. The only mental picture I have of Rosset is him plowing into that mess of cars at Spa in 1998. Remember the last car into the fracas? That was Rosset.

What a chump! Here's an interesting page about Ricardo Rosset: http://www.crosswind...drivers/rosset/

[Gudrun]

Originally posted by pa
Those bloody Dutchmen are such notorious hotheads, while the Colombians are a quiet, shy, peaceful people.

Quiet, shy and peaceful...........Just like Montoya............

[orange]

Its easier to pass backmarkers in a power circuit like germany with a super-engine in the back.

In slower circuits (worse case monaco) , a leading driver can be held and in case when theres 2-3 way battle going in the front more often than not , the backmarkers have to let themselves to be lapped.

All JV is pointing out is that backmarkers are not "trivials" that you take them for granted while lapping ...

And sure JV can hold JPM for 2-3 laps or whatever is mandated by FIA . This can cause 5-7 sec in total ..

The question is did JPM disregard JV ...
I didn't watch the incident closely

But JPM should take different approach in this matter ..
after all he himself has been accused by JV of blocking during qualifying/practice ..

[AD]

It was Villeneuve who Rosset was referring to. If you read the whole article, Rosset was complaining about how little respect Villeneuve had for him, and also remember all the stupid things that Villeneuve said after Monaco '98. Also remember the very obvious blocking move JV did on DC at Interlagos this year in qualifying.

I'm a JPM fan, but he should learn from MS. MS maximises every opportunity. JPM has the talent to succced but he needs to watch and learn from the master himself.

[tifoso]

Originally posted by KinetiK
What I can't believe is that BAR (not the best decision makers in the whole world) chose Rosset over Verstappen. The only mental picture I have of Rosset is him plowing into that mess of cars at Spa in 1998. Remember the last car into the fracas? That was Rosset. What a chump!

I'm just curious, how much do you think Rosset could see? Wasn't there a lot of rain spray? And if I remember correctly the accident happened around a bend. I'm not defending him. I just always figured he was pretty well unsighted.

Also, I thought I remembered Rosset being a pay driver. I must be wrong because 1998 was BAR's first year when they were spending money like mad. Can anyone refresh my memory?

[KinetiK]

Originally posted by tifoso

I'm just curious, how much do you think Rosset could see? Wasn't there a lot of rain spray? And if I remember correctly the accident happened around a bend. I'm not defending him. I just always figured he was pretty well unsighted.

Also, I thought I remembered Rosset being a pay driver. I must be wrong because 1998 was BAR's first year when they were spending money like mad. Can anyone refresh my memory?

Not being Ricardo (I'm actually Michael Schumacher, just keep it a secret between you and I, ok?) I can't honestly say. I remember the accident vividly and besides the first memory of Coulthard spinning madly out of control, my other clear vision is Rosset running smack dab into the conflaguration. From the television vantage point I could see him pretty well but as we all know, it's a wholly different thing when you're on the ground. What I really remember is how late Rosset was when he ran into the other cars. Surely he would have seen some debris on the track and assumed the worst... i dunno. Like I said, I'm not Ricardo Rosset I'm Michael Schumacher... sshh!

[tifoso]

Originally posted by KinetiK
Like I said, I'm not Ricardo Rosset I'm Michael Schumacher... sshh!

Lately, we've had so many F1 drivers posting. First, we deduce Nomad is Eddie Irvine (even though he denies it). Now, we find out you're Michael. Makes Dan Gurney posting pretty blase.

[Nustang70]

i think it is dumb that everyone blames Verstappen for crashing into Montoya...just because everyone is obsessed with him,and because he was leading the race. Verstappen and Arrows said that Montoya braked early, and they even released their telemetric data showing that Verstappen wasnt driving abnormally. Plus, there were a few other incidents involving people running into the back of the Williams, further verifying early braking by the Williams cars. But, Montoya and Williams were so quick to blame Verstappen that no one even listened...

[Goofy]

I just heard in CNN that the colombian druglords have decided to cut the supply of drugs towards Holland to zero!!! This, in response to Verstapen's comments. Besides making all those Dutch people (and many european tourists, as well as from other nationalities) extremely miserable, the druglords decided to sign a momentary peace treaty with the Colombian government in order to focus their attention on moving guerrilla troops towards the Netherlands...

Cheers!!

[taran]

Rosset's main claim to stupidity must be Belgium 1998 when he plowed into a mega crash. Yes it was wet and visibility was not very good but no less than 11 cars had crashed. Everybody was trying to stay alive and Rosset, brain firmly turned off and sight discarded, still went full speed into Barrichello. He didn't even brake and why should he? Just because there were cars disintegrating left, right and center doesn't mean he should back off even the slightest bit....


But it didn't start all bad. Rosset did well in F3000, ending as the runner-up in the championship behind his teammate, Vincenzo Sospiri. He joined Arrows for '96 as Verstappen's teammate, allegedly because of a sponsor. Arrows was in financial trouble and after Walkinshaw bought the team, all development was halted to prepare for 1997, especially when Hill signed for the team. Verstappen quickly gained the #1 status and Rosset never really had a chance as the #3 driver in a 2-car team.

For 1997, he joined the ill-fated Lola team that folded after 1 Grand Prix. Rosset shopped about, again with some funding and got BAR's attention.

Pollack had bought Tyrrell and was busy preparing for his first season in 1999. The 1998 season was merely distracting and Pollock did not want to invest any BAR money in Tyrrell as the team was dead and looked around for a pay-driver to get the team through 1998. He therefore replaced Verstappen with Rosset, a driver that had been conspiciously bested by the Dutchman in 1996. Ken Tyrrell was so incensed about this act that he left the team. Rosset was again the odd man out as many Tyrrell members also preferred the fast but erratic Verstappen to the slow and erratic Rosset. He also faced a fast rookie in Takagi who got the best of everything. Rosset seemed out of his depth and was blamed for many things, basically because he wasn't well liked by his own team. His mechanics even changed his name from Rosset to Tosser on his scooter when he crashed in Germany.

But his altercations with Villeneuve left a bad taste in many a mouth, even prompting fellow drivers to publically support him. Villeneuve was slowly waking up to the fact that a superior Williams had enabled him to win so many races, not his (considerable) talent and that in 1998, Mika had the better car. He took out his frustration on Rosset, who proved to be much more of a gentleman that Jacques will ever be.

[bira]

Andy it was Jacques.

Villeneuve was sadly rather renowned for being rather rude to drivers at the other end of the grid. Hill, for all his shortcomings, didn't behave like that.

In the case of Rosset, JV made a point of calling him a clown on a few occasions, and other unflattering words. That you may think the same is irrelevant - the point is, he didn't make any friends in insulting lesser drivers like that.

[Melbourne Park]

Seriously why did JPM "finger Jos if JPM only lost one tenth of a second. That's almost less than one would loose from aero effect. This story seems very weird to me.

As to holding up, its not a number of laps, I think its the number of overtaking flags flown, that defines when you have to let the behind car through.

[tifoso]

taran, thanks for answering all my questions in such a thorough manner. I enjoyed reading that.

[HP]

Originally posted by Andy


Don't get me wrong, I was just curious how you "knew" it was Jacques as you did not justify it as you have now done. I know I'm a JVi fan, however I do take notice of who moves over for whom in qualifying and must say I thought JVi always did a pretty good job of making sure, if not on a fast lap, he was out of everyone's way. He, of all people, knows first-hand how dangerous a slow car is during qualifying! (i.e. Gilles' accident) From what you say, maybe it was a similar "personal" qualm these too had, like Jos & JPM?

So if he knows it why did he brake test JPM this year? Just because he didn't like JPM?

[Melbourne Park]

Originally posted by HP
So if he knows it why did he brake test JPM this year? Just because he didn't like JPM?

I think JV did it because JPM had blocked him. Sort of a biblical way, an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth ...

[John B]

Yeah that's exactly what I thought reading the passage...the incident at Brazil and the "Keep your Distance" livery which appeared on the Williams next weekend...

[KinetiK]

Taran, good post!

[dan2k]

Jos thinks he is making Juan frighten of him!
Listen up Jos the boss, anymore comments like this, and I'm sure Juan is gonna give you a good punch in the head to wake you up.
He was clearly holding him up at the stadium section, its just not a case of Juan loosing just 1 tenth or whatever.
When the leader of the race is behind a car that is about to get lapped for a long time, it destracts him slightly, and that is not what Juan needed at that time.
Jos deserved that finger for what he did, but Juan doesn't deserve another hit in the back while he is about to win another race.

[Alien]

Originally posted by Nustang70
i think it is dumb that everyone blames Verstappen for crashing into Montoya...just because everyone is obsessed with him,and because he was leading the race. Verstappen and Arrows said that Montoya braked early, and they even released their telemetric data showing that Verstappen wasnt driving abnormally. Plus, there were a few other incidents involving people running into the back of the Williams, further verifying early braking by the Williams cars. But, Montoya and Williams were so quick to blame Verstappen that no one even listened...

Patrick Head and Montoya went to the stewards and showed telemetry that Montoya wasn´t driving abnormally either..... He braked at the same point as every lap.... It was a terrible incident anyways because we could have seen an excellent race afterwards...

[TopGear]

Originally posted by dan2k
:Listen up Jos the boss, anymore comments like this, and I'm sure Juan is gonna give you a good punch in the head to wake you up.

Yeah right. Jos would eat JPM for breakfast.

[Melbourne Park]

Originally posted by TopGear


Yeah right. Jos would eat JPM for breakfast.

I don't think Jos would even punch back, would he? If its true that he's on a good behaviour bond ... at least, if Juan wants to pick him, best to do it in Holland, just to be on the safe side ...

[Bee]

Originally posted by Nustang70
i think it is dumb that everyone blames Verstappen for crashing into Montoya...just because everyone is obsessed with him,and because he was leading the race. Verstappen and Arrows said that Montoya braked early, and they even released their telemetric data showing that Verstappen wasnt driving abnormally. Plus, there were a few other incidents involving people running into the back of the Williams, further verifying early braking by the Williams cars. But, Montoya and Williams were so quick to blame Verstappen that no one even listened...

Very true Nostang. I'm glad someone's pointed that out. Hard, hard luck for JPM - BUT Verstappen made every attempt to get out of the way, before he appeared to almost be sucked into the back of the Williams.

Bottomline, Jos genuinely made a move aside for JPM to get by before it all went pear-shaped.

[Bee]

Originally posted by bira
Andy it was Jacques.

Villeneuve was sadly rather renowned for being rather rude to drivers at the other end of the grid. Hill, for all his shortcomings, didn't behave like that.

In the case of Rosset, JV made a point of calling him a clown on a few occasions, and other unflattering words. That you may think the same is irrelevant - the point is, he didn't make any friends in insulting lesser drivers like that.

It's the way he called Zonta an idiot last year for an incident which I felt he was a bit culpable as well.
Then JV goes and takes Panis out in Silverstone!

A very exciting driver is JV - but he makes some spectacularly unfair attacks on his fellow drivers.

[Kev]

... at least, if Juan wants to pick him, best to do it in Holland, just to be on the safe side ...

Well, that would not be smart...he was sentenced in Belgium...;)

[Bee]

JPM is a big boy , he can take it. From Autorace.com --

"Of his "take no prisoners" approach, he said: "You have to make a point in Formula 1 and just go for it. Sure, it's never going to be easy and you might upset a few people. But I've been racing for 20 years and have come into Formula 1 to show that I'm somebody."

Then take your lumps Juancho!!

[LuckyStrike1]

Originally posted by tifoso

I'm just curious, how much do you think Rosset could see? Wasn't there a lot of rain spray? And if I remember correctly the accident happened around a bend. I'm not defending him. I just always figured he was pretty well unsighted.

Also, I thought I remembered Rosset being a pay driver. I must be wrong because 1998 was BAR's first year when they were spending money like mad. Can anyone refresh my memory?

Rosset got the seat simply because he drove for Tyrrell in 98 and they needed a driver with a big wallet. BAR didn't enter until 99 and didn't choose the drivers for Tyrrell in 98...except for telling Ken Tyrrell that they were more interested in seeing a pay driver in the team rather than wasting money on salaries the year before they entered. So Rosset got his chance to qualify outside the 107 % rule and then went off to Brazil to run his sporting clothes etc company instead.

[Darrenj]

Montoya is a hot headed, undisceplined Colombian. No respect for anyone, he should be run off the track more.......