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[William Hunt]

Does anyone know anything on the 1911 Oostende race ? It was either won by Jean Goux or by Georges Boillot. Who has got the results for that race ?

[David McKinney]

Regular meetings were held at Ostend throughout the pre-WW1 period, usually a series of sprint events in summer known collectively as “Ostend Week” and, from 1909, longer events known as the Coupe Liederkerke, Prix d’Ostende etc (apologies for the mixture of languages!)
At the 3 September 1911 meeting Georges Boillot in a Lion-Peugeot won the Liederkerke Cup race over 248 miles, from Coosemans in an Excelsior, though the Cup itself was awarded to Verhoeran in a Fondu. Boillot’s team-mate Jules Goux in a twin-cylinder version was first in the 208-mile Ostend Cup.

[Boniver]

Ostende was before WO I the important organiser of the
« the automobile week of Oostende » in juli


In 1899 was on 1 sep Paris – Oostende (323,5km)
(11 cars and with massa start – and crass in the first corner )
1° Girardot - Panhard

The first Meeting in Oostende was 3 sept 1901 in the Willington hippodroom (the horse baan)
race min 650 kg 1° Gabriel – Darracq
race more 650 kg 2° de Caters - Mors

11 to 17 juli 1903 the first week of Ostende in Nieuwpoort
race 1. Poge – Mercedes
voiturette 1° Villemain – Durracq
sprint 1 km 1° Rigolly – Gobron Brillie

14 juli 1904 II week of Ostende in Nieuwpoort
1km - 1° Rigolly – Gobron Brillie

9 juli 1905 III week of Ostende in Nieuwpoort
1km - 1° Rigolly – Gobron Brillie

16 juli 1906 IV week of Ostende in Nieuwpoort
1km - 1° A Lee Giunness – Darracq

15 juli 1907 V week of Ostende in Nieuwpoort
GP RACE CLASSE 5 km – 1 Rigal – Darracq
GP RACE CLASSE 2 km – 1 de Caters – Mercedes
GP RACE CLASSE 10 km – 1 de Caters – Mercedes
Kaizerpreisse classe 5 km – 1 Hieronimus - Gaggernau
Kaizerpreisse classe 2 km – 1 Hieronimus – Gaggernau

13 juli 1908 VI week of Ostende in Nieuwpoort
race cars classe 5 km – 1 Ville - Metallurgique
race cars classe 2 km – 1 Ville - Metallurgique
race cars classe 1 km – 1 Ville - Metallurgique
GP RACE CLASSE 5 km – 1 Hautvast – Bayard Clement
GP RACE CLASSE 2 km – 1 Hautvast – Bayard Clement
GP RACE CLASSE 1 km – 1 Hautvast – Bayard Clement

14 juli 1909 VII week of Ostende in Nieuwpoort
1km – Joerns – Opel
1km – Pilette – Mercedes
1 km – Opel – Opel
20 km Oostende – Wendijnen- Oostenden
1° Joerns – Opel
2 Fischer – Vivinus
3 Langlois – Nagant
4 Masson – Fif
DNF Jenatzy – Mercedes
Coupe d’Ostende 12 laps 249 miles
(12 cars)
1° Guippone – Lion Peugeot
2 Thomas – Le Gui

4 sep 1019 Coupe d’Ostende
12 laps 248 miles (6 cars)
1 Zuccalli – Hispano Suiza
2 Boillot - Lion Peugeot
3 Pilliverde – Hispano Suiza



In 3 sep 1911 The coupe d’Ostende
12 laps
1° Boillot – Lion Peugeot

Coupe des Voiturettes
10 laps 207 miles
1° Goux – Lion Peugeot
2° Zuccarelli – Lion Peugeot

Coupe de Liedekerke
10 laps 334 km
1° Verhaegen – Fondu

1912 no race in Ostende ( ?)
20 juni 1912 The first Grand Prix du RACB (Belgische GP) in Spa
for tour car and with petrol consumption formule
classe ? - 1° Riechen – Miverva
classe ? - 1° Biessoux - Hermes Mathis

1913 no race in Ostende ( ?)
13 aug 1913 The II Grand Prix du RACB (Belgische GP) in Spa
1° Derney – Springuel

? ?. ? ? .1914 Meeting of d’Ostende
1km – Riechen – Minerva
10 km – Riechen – Minerva

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In 1925 wont Oostende organize the First Grand Prix of Belgium but the Royal Automobile Club de Belgique select the new circuit of Spa (open in 1924 with 24 h of Spa)

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In 197 ? the was a F5000 race on the airport of Oostende


More info of the racing in Oostende

[Boniver]

Oostende was international very important
for is world records speed (1km - fly start)

17 juli 1903 Rigolly 134,328 km/h
31 maart 1904 Rigolly 150,000 km/h
31 maart 1904 Rigolly 152,542 km/h
15 april 1904 de Catres 156,521 km/h
21 juli 1904 Rigolly 166,66 km/h
13 nov 1904 Baras 168,224 km/h

[Rob29]

Originally posted by Boniver


In 197 ? the was a F5000 race on the airport of Oostende


More info of the racing in Oostende

3eme Trophee International de la mer du Nord-030869-Koksijde circuit 2.92mls 2 x 22laps. This implies that there were 2 previous such events?
Also a year or so ago a round of Belgian Procar series was scheduled for Ostend,but apparently cancelled.Anyone know anything about this?

[Vitesse2]

Snippets from Georgano:

1904: Speed Trials, light car category - Hanriot (Clement-Bayard 30hp)

1913: Arthur Duray (FIAT S76) 213.01km/h flying kilometre

1903: Arthur Duray (13.5 Gobron-Brillie) 134.76km/h

1908: Light car race - 1st Sauveniere (3.0 Imperia)

[Toine]

Good morning Boniver

Do you know which Mercedes, Pilette raced in 1909?

Thanks

Toine

[William Hunt]

In 3 sep 1911 The coupe d’Ostende
12 laps
1° Boillot – Lion Peugeot

Coupe des Voiturettes
10 laps 207 miles
1° Goux – Lion Peugeot
2° Zuccarelli – Lion Peugeot


Thanks, this already clears up a lot. I've had 2 sources claiming 2 different winners for the Coupe d'Ostende of 1911. But it seems like there were 2 different races. The one won by Goux was a voiturette racce. And the other one ? Formule Libre ? Which one was the most important race ? Still quite confusing.

[William Hunt]

20 km Oostende – "Wendijnen"- Oostenden
1° Joerns – Opel
2 Fischer – Vivinus
3 Langlois – Nagant
4 Masson – Fif
DNF Jenatzy – Mercedes

Correction , right spelling is :

"Wenduinen"

[Boniver]

William : Yes now it is Wenduinen

but before WO I it was
Wendijnen and Wendnyne


Toine

1km fly start

1 Pilette - Mercedes Renwagen 24" 150 Km/h

2 Jorns - Opel Renwagen 24"6
3 Lefebvre - Itala Renwagen 28"6
4 Mathis - Fiat Tourwagen 29"
5 Lindpaintner - Opel Tourwagen 31"6
6 Jessurun - Open Tourwagen 32"
7 Lochner - Opel Tourwagen 32"2
8 V. Marx - Opel Tourwagen 33"

no info of the type car

[William Hunt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boniver
[B]William : Yes now it is Wenduinen

"but before WO I it was
Wendijnen and Wendnyne "

Are U sure about that, I think it is highly unlikely, it probably was just misspelled. The duinen part of wenduinen means dunes if U translate it in English, quite logical since there are a lot of dunes there and it is on the northsea coast. But dijnen or dnyne or words that don't exist in Flemish (or Dutch) . Why would they use a non existent word and replace it by dunes ? I will try and look that up but do believe it was always Wenduinen.

[Toine]

Originally posted by Boniver
William : Yes now it is Wenduinen

but before WO I it was
Wendijnen and Wendnyne


Toine

1km fly start

1 Pilette - Mercedes Renwagen 24" 150 Km/h

2 Jorns - Opel Renwagen 24"6
3 Lefebvre - Itala Renwagen 28"6
4 Mathis - Fiat Tourwagen 29"
5 Lindpaintner - Opel Tourwagen 31"6
6 Jessurun - Open Tourwagen 32"
7 Lochner - Opel Tourwagen 32"2
8 V. Marx - Opel Tourwagen 33"

no info of the type car

Good afternoon Boniver

Thank you for the information:)

C U

Toine

[Boniver]

no more info of the racing in Oostende before WO I

[William Hunt]

[B]In 3 sep 1911 The coupe d’Ostende
12 laps
1° Boillot – Lion Peugeot

Coupe des Voiturettes
10 laps 207 miles
1° Goux – Lion Peugeot
2° Zuccarelli – Lion Peugeot


PS : Are U sure that Paolo Zuccarelli didn't drive a Hispano-Suiza instead of a Lyon - Peugeot ?

[Boniver]

(Paul) Paolo Zuccarelli - It - drive a (Lion) Peugeot

1910 Zuccarelli was team driver for Hispano-Suiza

1911 a strike of the Barcelona factory had soured relations between Birkigt (the car designer) and Zuccarelli and Pilleverdier the latter of whom was now running Hispano's Paris office.
Birkigt decided to pull out of racing.

That left Zuccarelli without a job.
But following the death of Giuppone in 1910 there was a vacancy at Peugeot, and it did not take long for him to get together with Boillet and Goux.



1913 GP of ACF (france)
Zuccarelli drive a Peugeot 5,6 l , driving at full speed in practice, hit a farm cart that was crossing the road and was killed instantly

[William Hunt]

Great feedback Boniver ! Thanx mate !

PS : Does anybody know anything on the "Circuit du Provence" race @ Trets (France) in 1913. I only know that it was won by the great Georges Boillot (brother of André Boillot) in a Peugeot.

[Boniver]

I. Circuit de Provence
15 june 1913 Trets circuit
7 laps x 42 km - 294 km


1 Georges Boillot - Peugeot 7 laps
2 ?
3 ?
4 ?
5 ?
6 ?

entry list ?

[Marcor]

Old topic but ...

I've seen some 1913 newspapers (Le Matin, L'Etoile Belge) talking about the "Circuit de Provence des voiturettes", a race for 4-cylinder cars. I've found an entry list published some days before the planned date of the race, June 15th but also a little article claiming that the race was cancelled, the organisers having not received the authorisations.

So I'm curious to know the sources of Mr Sheldon and Cie (Volume 1) who give Georges Boillot (Peugeot) as winner.

OT, also found the first name of Delpierre (not included in Sheldon's Volume 1), who replaced Zuccarelli at the 1913 ACF GP, it was Jean.

[Henk]

In 1911 the Coupe de Liedekerke was organized in Ostend.

However, in 1906 and 1907 reliability trials of that name were held on the Circuit des Ardennes (1907: won by Porlier with Minerva).

In 1909 the Coupe was won by Joseph Christiaens (Sunbeam??); I don’t know the location.
I also read about a 1912 edition, but again no details.

-- Was the Coupe de Liedekerke an annual event held at different locations? (years? locations? results?)


Liedekerke is a village near Brussels. But I assume that the Coupe de Liedekerke wasn’t named after this location, but after a Count de Liedekerke.

There was a Count Jacques de Liedekerke, who promoted motoring in Belgium before WWI

Nowadays the Comte Gérard de Liedekerke Challenge is part of the Proximus 24-Hours of Spa (reserved for the best-classified Belgian team, made up exclusively of drivers holding Belgian licenses).

-- Who gave his name to the Coupe de Liedekerke? (Gérard? Jaques? Why? When?)

[humphries]

Re:- Ostend 1911

According to my records Goux won the Coupe des Voiturettes in 3: 52' 38". Zuccarelli was not competing in this class but in the Coupes d' Ostende et Willamme. Zuccarelli retired his Lion-Peugeot on lap 8 and it was Coosemans in an Excelsior who was second in the Coupes d'Ostende et Williamme in 3:35' 55" compared with Boillot's 3: 28' 33". Verhaeren won the Coupes de Liedekerke in 6: 12' 55".

John

[robert dick]

Originally posted by Henk

-- Who gave his name to the Coupe de Liedekerke? (Gérard? Jaques? Why? When?)

Comte Jacques de Liedekerke (although I am not 100 % sure since at the same time a Henri de Liedekerke took part in some Belgian sprints - probably Jacques' brother).
Why? Just like Gordon Bennett, Herkomer, Florio or Vanderbilt.
When? For the first time in 1906, opened for stock/touring chassis in conjunction with the Circuit des Ardennes for GP racers.

[robert dick]

Correction :

The first Coupe de Liedekerke took place on 13 August 1905, on a course near Dinant, four laps of 102,740 km, first start at 7 h 5’, in five minute intervals.
Result :

1) Hautvast (Pipe) in 6 h 51’ 12”
2) Fischer (Vivinus) in 6 h 56’ 12”
3) De Caters (Métallurgique) in 7 h 00’ 31”
4) Wilhelm (Métallurgique) in 7’ 20’ 51”
5) Kuhling (Vivinus) in 7 h 23’ 49”
6) Jenatzy (Pipe) in 7 h 28’ 26”
7) Vandepoel (Pipe) in 7 h 43’ 28”
8) Coquard (Ariès) in 8 h 03’ 00”
9) Borde (Ariès) in 8 h 04’ 01”

DNF : Croquet and Rachez (Darracq), Christiaens (NAG), Petiet (Ariès), Siquet (Métallurgique).

One day later, on 14 August 1905, there was the hillclimb of Dinant (course de côte de Dinant) : best time achieved by Deplus (Pipe) in 1’ 8” 3/5, second best time by Pilette (Mors) in 1’ 14” 3/5.

[robert dick]

Location of the Coupe de Liedekerke :
1905 near Dinant
1906 and 1907 Circuit des Ardennes near Bastogne
1909, 1910, 1911 and 1913 part of the Meeting of Ostende (always in September – the Semaine d’Ostende (= week of Ostende) took place in July – the Meeting of Ostende in September)

Regulation :
1905, -06 and -07 : four-seat body, max. 3.75 litre displacement (whereby La Vie Automobile gave max. 35 CV (tax HP) for the 1906 race);
1909, -10 and -11 : max. 106 mm bore (not sure for 1910 and -11);
1913 : max 2.75 litre (not sure).

Results :
1906 Bastogne :
1) Porlier (Minerva), 514 km in 6 h 40’ 11”
2) Brabazon (Minerva), 6 h 40’ 46“
3) Wilford (Vivinus), 7 h 15’ 25“

1907 Bastogne :
1) Wilhelm (Métallurgique 102/114 mm), 450 km in 5 h 27’ 38“
2) Perpère (Germain 102/112 mm), 5 h 29’ 51“
3) Brabazon (Minerva 106/106 mm), 5 h 39’ 49“

1909 :
Ostende – Monday 13 September 1909 – Coupe de Liedekerke (max 106 mm bore) and Coupe Williame (max 90 mm bore) concurrently – 12 x 33,4 km (of which 12 km were “pavé”) of the course Ostende – Nieuport – Snaeskerke – first start at 12 h 10’, then at two-minute intervals.
Coupe de Liedekerke :
1) Christiaens (Vivinus), 4 h 54’ 38”
2) Fischer (Vivinus), 4 h 54’ 57”
Third starter was Wilhelm (Adler), not clear if he finished or retired.
Coupe Williame :
1) Sabbé (Impéria) (in some sources the name was mentioned as Sarbe)
2) Scholten (Miesse)
Third starter was Buysse (Vivinus), not clear if he finished.

Voiturette race on 14 September 1909 (again 12 laps of 33,4 km) :
1) Giuppone (Lion-Peugeot), 4 h 33’ 28”
2) Thomas (Le Gui), 4 h 39’ 26“

1910 Coupe de Liedekerke - Ostende :
1) Coosemans (Excelsior)

1911 Coupe de Liedekerke – Ostende :
1) Verhaeren (Fondu)

1913 Coupe de Liedekerke – Ostende :
1) Dangis (FAB)

[Henk]

robert – many thanks for shedding light on the Coupe de Liedekerke
[I assume results for 1906 and 1907 should change places]

Two more questions:
-- Anything known about the role of Comte Jacques de Liedekerke in early Belgian motoring?
-- And who was/is Gérard, who gave his name to the present-day Comte Gérard de Liedekerke Challenge?

[Pedro 917]

My friend found a picture of Coosemans in the Excelsior, Ostende 1911 (in a book by Delsaux) :



and this was the track :

[robert dick]

Originally posted by Henk
I assume results for 1906 and 1907 should change places...

Coupe de Liedekerke results of 1906 and -07 have to be interchanged.

= = =

I have next to nothing about Jacques de Liedekerke : He was “a friend of Pierre de Crawhez and founding member of the Belgian automobile club”, a member of the ACF, and was responsible for the organisation of the Brussel automobile salon between 1905 and 1931.

Nothing concerning Gérard de Liedekerke.

[Henk]

Pedro – Interesting picture. Apparently Coosemans also competed in the 1911 event.
Attractive circuit. May have been fast with that long straight coastal road. But probably quite a few ‘kasseien’ in those days.

robert – Coosemans’ name reminded me of what I had read about a Coupe de Liedekerke in 1912. According to Daniel Absil, in that year he was competing with a FAB.
Can you confirm that the Coupe was also organized in 1912?

[robert dick]

1912 has still to be clarified.
Couldn't find anything about a 1912 Coupe de Liedekerke at Ostende, but it is possible that in 1912 the Coupe was organízed somewhere else, for example in combination with the Grand Prix du RACB.

[robert dick]

Meeting Ostende September 1908 in L'Auto :

"The two Coupes Williame have been run with full success on 27 September and have been won by Vivinus and Impéria.

For the first Coupe (350 km, 106 mm bore), the competitors started in the following order :
Gréterin (Impéria)
Fischer (Vivinus)
Dugnole (Hermès)
Ville (Auto-Métallurgique)
Morane (Impéria)
Daout (Fondu)
Dompner (Hermès)
Only two cars finished.

The Coupe is won by Fischer (Vivinus) who achieved the ten laps in the respective times of 20' 46", 40' 29", 1 h 24", 1 h 20' 26", 1 h 43' 38", 2 h 3', 2 h 23', (one lap time missing), 3 h 4", 3 h 24' 46". Average 98 km/h with two stops.

The second Coupe (245 km, 90 mm bore) is won by Sauvenière (Impéria) who achieved the following times for the seven laps : 24' 18", 51' 55", 1 h 15', 1 h 41', 2 h 14', 2 h 50', 3 h 17'. Average 71,316 km/h."

[robert dick]

Coupe de Liedekerke 1912 :
Couldn't find any mention of it in the 1912 contemporary press.
But Yvette and Jacques Kupélian (in "60 years of motor sport in Belgium") published a photo of Coosemans at the wheel of a FAB : the winner of the 1912 Coupe de Liedekerke run at Ostende.

[robert dick]

Coupe de Liedekerke - origins :

In July 1904, La France Automobile wrote :

“Le Comte Jacques de Liedekerke vient d’offrir à l’A.C. de Belgique une coupe à courir par des voitures de tourisme. L’épreuve est internationale.
Voice la lettre-réglement qu’adresse à ce sujet le donateur, à l’A.C. de Belgique.
La course se courra annuellement en Belgique, sur route, sans neutralisations autant que possible et sur un parcours ne pouvant être inférieur à 400 kilomètres.
L’épreuve est réservée aux voitures touristes d’une cylindrée maxima de 3,750, quel que soit le nombre des cylindres employés, la course ne pouvant en aucun cas être inférieure à l’alésage.
Chaque firme pourra être représentée par trois voitures.
L’épreuve est réservée aux constructeurs. Les engagements particuliers ne seront admis que si le constructeur n’a pas usé de l’entièreté de ses droits.
Les voitures concurrentes devront être gréées en touristes.
Il sera exigé :
1) La carrosserie, genre tonneau, garnie, la hauteur des dossiers ne pourra être inférieure à 10 centimètres, coussins compris ;
2) Le cache-moteur ;
3) Les garde-boue ;
Les deux places avant doivent être occupées ; les deux autres pourront l’être par du lest.
Le poids total représentant les quatre personnes sera de 250 kilos.
Les voitures seront pesées en ordre de marche.
La cylindrée sera constatée par une commission composée de trois membres au moins désignés par le C.S. de l’A.C.B.
Les voitures devront être conduites par des membres de clubs reconnus ou affiliés. Le choix de la route est laissé au comité sportif de l’A.C.B., ainsi que la date de l’épreuve qui devra être disputée pour la première fois en 1905.
Le prix des engagements sera de 1000 francs par voiture, de 1600 frans pour deux et de 2000 francs pour trois.
La voiture qui aura accompli le parcours dans le meilleur temps sera déclarée victorieuse et la coupe remise au constructeur.
Un prix spécial sera créé pour les maisons ayant trois voitures concurrentes en prenant le meilleur temps obtenu par le temps additionné des trois voitures.

[Henk]

robert - Many thanks again The regulations also answer some other questions.

They clearly explain why, for the 1907 Coupe, Minerva reduced the capacity of their 24 hp model from 4057 to 3750 cc.
They confirm that Minerva won the team price in that year (1st, 2nd and 5th place for Porlier, Moore Brabazon and Elskamp).


BTW - here is Serge de Liedekerke
Apparently the family is still active in motor sports.

[gerrit stevens]

Originally posted by robert dick
Meeting Ostende September 1908 in L'Auto :

"The two Coupes Williame have been run with full success on 27 September and have been won by Vivinus and Impéria.

For the first Coupe (350 km, 106 mm bore), the competitors started in the following order :
Gréterin (Impéria)
Fischer (Vivinus)
Dugnole (Hermès)
Ville (Auto-Métallurgique)
Morane (Impéria)
Daout (Fondu)
Dompner (Hermès)
Only two cars finished.

The Coupe is won by Fischer (Vivinus) who achieved the ten laps in the respective times of 20' 46", 40' 29", 1 h 24", 1 h 20' 26", 1 h 43' 38", 2 h 3', 2 h 23', (one lap time missing), 3 h 4", 3 h 24' 46". Average 98 km/h with two stops.

The second Coupe (245 km, 90 mm bore) is won by Sauvenière (Impéria) who achieved the following times for the seven laps : 24' 18", 51' 55", 1 h 15', 1 h 41', 2 h 14', 2 h 50', 3 h 17'. Average 71,316 km/h."

Does anyone have more results from these races. I am very interested.
Are both races mentioned Coupe Williame or is one mentioned Coupe de Liederkerke as in 1909.
See next quote from Robert.

Results :
1906 Bastogne :
1) Porlier (Minerva), 514 km in 6 h 40’ 11”
2) Brabazon (Minerva), 6 h 40’ 46“
3) Wilford (Vivinus), 7 h 15’ 25“

1907 Bastogne :
1) Wilhelm (Métallurgique 102/114 mm), 450 km in 5 h 27’ 38“
2) Perpère (Germain 102/112 mm), 5 h 29’ 51“
3) Brabazon (Minerva 106/106 mm), 5 h 39’ 49“

1909 :
Ostende – Monday 13 September 1909 – Coupe de Liedekerke (max 106 mm bore) and Coupe Williame (max 90 mm bore) concurrently – 12 x 33,4 km (of which 12 km were “pavé”) of the course Ostende – Nieuport – Snaeskerke – first start at 12 h 10’, then at two-minute intervals.
Coupe de Liedekerke :
1) Christiaens (Vivinus), 4 h 54’ 38”
2) Fischer (Vivinus), 4 h 54’ 57”
Third starter was Wilhelm (Adler), not clear if he finished or retired.
Coupe Williame :
1) Sabbé (Impéria) (in some sources the name was mentioned as Sarbe)
2) Scholten (Miesse)
Third starter was Buysse (Vivinus), not clear if he finished.

Voiturette race on 14 September 1909 (again 12 laps of 33,4 km) :
1) Giuppone (Lion-Peugeot), 4 h 33’ 28”
2) Thomas (Le Gui), 4 h 39’ 26“

1910 Coupe de Liedekerke - Ostende :
1) Coosemans (Excelsior)

1911 Coupe de Liedekerke – Ostende :
1) Verhaeren (Fondu)

1913 Coupe de Liedekerke – Ostende :
1) Dangis (FAB)

Also I am interested in completing the results.

Gerrit Stevens

[Pils1989]

Hello,

I've found two pictures of Theodore Pilette in the Mors, nr. 168, he used at Oostende in 1907 for the fourth place.
Is the caption correct in the photo-album?



Thanks,
Toine

[robert dick]

Photo Théo Pilette/Mors :
The Mors is a 1903 Paris-Madrid type, the starting number 168 being certainly an allusion to Fernand Gabriel's starting number.
Possible that it was Gabriel's car, but there are differences in comparison to photos showing the # 168 Mors during the Paris-Madrid race.
The background in the photo reminds of the Bois de Boulogne/Paris.

Any additional comments written on the back of the photos?

[Pils1989]

Hello Robert,

No, no additonal informations except I'm pretty sure it's le Bois de La Cambre, a park in Brussels where there has been a race in 1946... a bit like le Bois de Boulogne but narrower, I've been told.

Thank you for your help here and in the other threads,
Toine

[anjakub]

Originally posted by Boniver
The first Meeting in Oostende was 3 sept 1901 in the Willington hippodroom (the horse baan)

but I found:

The meeting in Ostende 1900
Monday, 3 or 10 September 1900.
Wellington hippodrome - 2700 m (straight in front of main tribune 850 m, bends 600 m). Surface turf – poured water and beaten down.

The Belgian voiturette
Start: 8 cars.
(7 laps; 18,900 km)
1. Martiny - 23m30s
2. Vasseur
3. de Beukelauer
4. Peschard

Tricycle
Start: 18 tricycles.
(8 laps; 21,600 km)
1. Marcelin - 21m08,1s
2. Demester
3. Fournier
4. Gaste

Wellington prix (international race for voiturette max. 400 kg)
Start: 20 cars.
(5 laps; 13,500 km)
1. Oury - 19m27s
2. Van Langendonck
3. Martiny
4. Marcelin
Other starters: Deschamps, Manghan, Declerc, Vasseur

Grand Prix of Ostende (cars over 400 kg)
Start 10 cars.
Distance 50 km
I don’t know the results of this race.


Source: “Sport” 1900, No 37.

[Marcor]

Monday 3 September 1900
Race 4, GP automobile d'Ostende, + 400 kg cars, 50 km
1- "Levegh" (Alfred Velghe), Mors, 38m 48s 2/5
2- Philippe
3- Broc
4- de Crawhez

also entered:
Camille Jenatzy, Bolide
Huguet, Peugeot 20 HP
Caillois - Renaux, Peugeot 15 HP
Roland
Déchamps
Guillaume

[Arjan de Roos]

Now can I make some touristic promotion here? We went to Oostende some months ago for a weekend stay. It is a nice seaside town with many facilities. If you are interested you will find many of the old track there I think (from comparing the track map here with the todays road map).
Also there is still the Hippodrome.

Maybe the local town hall may have more info on the races?

The beach and the indoor swimming pool will keep the family busy...
Happy holiday!

[dbw]

was that the lion peugeot with a twin cyl engine, an ungodly long stroke and the exhaust pipes going back OVER the drivers head????

[robert dick]

Originally posted by dbw
was that the lion peugeot with a twin cyl engine, an ungodly long stroke and the exhaust pipes going back OVER the drivers head????

The Vee-two Lion-Peugeot with its famous "over-the-head" exhaust pipe, as used by Georges Boillot for record attempts at Brooklands, was built for the 1910 Coupe de l'Auto pour Voiturettes which was run in September 1910 at Boulogne. The rules allowed bore/stroke dimensions of 100/300 mm for singles, 80/280 mm for twins and 65/260 mm for fours. Les Fils de Peugeot Frères - this was the name of the company producing the Lion-Peugeot voiturettes - entered two types of voiturette racers, a 20-degree Vee-two (80/280 mm) with three-valve head and a 20-degree Vee-four (65/260 mm) with two-valve head. At Boulogne the cars started with stub exhausts but later both type of cars were sometimes used in sprints, hillclimbs and record attempts with the famous high mounted pipe.

That, in case of an accident, the exhaust pipe had to assume the task of a rollover bar was never noted.

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The Peugeots used around the turn of the century were still based on the original two-cylinder rear engine vehicles wich had appeared in 1896.

[Antoine Pilette]

Originally posted by robert dick
Photo Théo Pilette/Mors :
The Mors is a 1903 Paris-Madrid type, the starting number 168 being certainly an allusion to Fernand Gabriel's starting number.
Possible that it was Gabriel's car, but there are differences in comparison to photos showing the # 168 Mors during the Paris-Madrid race.
The background in the photo reminds of the Bois de Boulogne/Paris.

Any additional comments written on the back of the photos?

I've been asked yesterday about the actual whereabout of this Mors car. Any ideas, please?

[robert dick]

After the 1903 Paris-Madrid race, the Mors driven by Willie Vanderbilt ended up in the Daimler factory at Cannstatt - and escaped the famous factory fire.
Otto Hieronimus wanted to use it as practice car for the Bennett Cup.
Since Pilette was in close contact with Cannstatt, it is possible that he bought this ex-Vanderbilt Mors.
But no idea concerning the whereabouts.

[Antoine Pilette]

Thank you Robert, I will pass the info