I wholeheartedly agree with Williams.
Winegod - actually Motor Sport is very much in a way a show for commercial entities, without such entities F1 would be in the dark ages. Michael Schumacher is a huge draw for those entities and Bernie Ecclestone has to protect his and the sports interests.
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BertlF
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Posted 17 September 2001 - 07:58
I'm not sure if all this is not just bloody hypocracy from MS' side. He's the (theoretical) WDC already, so why bother and do the trip to the US, any excuse will do... It's easy to show 'sympathy' if yiou have nothing to loose! Lauda stepped out of the Ferrari in 76 despite the fact that he could loose his WDC because of safety concerns. At the end, James Hunt ahd the guts and got the glory!
If MS would be for instance 5 points behind DC or somebody else, than it would be for sure OK to drive there. No word on safety concerns then... And I'm sure that MS would not have proposed a 'overtaking ban' in the first two chicanes in Monza, except if he would be in pole...
So, it's always a matter of perspective. If you're ahead and nobody can catch you anymore, it's easy to call for everybody to slow down a bit because of 'safety concerns'...
Bert
If MS would be for instance 5 points behind DC or somebody else, than it would be for sure OK to drive there. No word on safety concerns then... And I'm sure that MS would not have proposed a 'overtaking ban' in the first two chicanes in Monza, except if he would be in pole...
So, it's always a matter of perspective. If you're ahead and nobody can catch you anymore, it's easy to call for everybody to slow down a bit because of 'safety concerns'...
Bert
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EVL29
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Posted 17 September 2001 - 10:50
Flying Panda...yes it's a Free World.
But it's NOT a "Free Sport".
But it's NOT a "Free Sport".
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Posted 17 September 2001 - 16:10
Agree with Schumigal and PeaQ.
Furthermore, Mr. Ecclestone is being a bastard fascist for putting "show must go on" sentiments (read: money) ahead of safety concerns.
Like it or not, MS for Formula One is like the World Trade Centre was for New York City. He's not the only thing, but he certainly is the edifice that sticks up the highest, and therefore, vulnerable.
BE should remember that the weekend of his fatal crash, Ayrton Senna was expressing grave doubts about safety in the wake of the Ratzenburger accident, and to the last moment wasn't sure if he was going to race. Maybe he wouldn't have, and would still be alive, if the pressure on him to perform was just a bit lighter.
Of course, those are big ifs, and that was a different situation.
However, the bottom line is that if an F1 driver, who by definition is a human gifted with a great amount of courage, feels concerns about safety, mere administrators and moneychangers should heed their anxiety.
To those who claim they don't want the terrorists to win, and are brazen about the need of the world of sports to continue as normal, I say:
Give us peace in the Middle East, and get the warmongers around the world to tone down their rhetoric, and then talk to me about entertainment.
Furthermore, Mr. Ecclestone is being a bastard fascist for putting "show must go on" sentiments (read: money) ahead of safety concerns.
Like it or not, MS for Formula One is like the World Trade Centre was for New York City. He's not the only thing, but he certainly is the edifice that sticks up the highest, and therefore, vulnerable.
BE should remember that the weekend of his fatal crash, Ayrton Senna was expressing grave doubts about safety in the wake of the Ratzenburger accident, and to the last moment wasn't sure if he was going to race. Maybe he wouldn't have, and would still be alive, if the pressure on him to perform was just a bit lighter.
Of course, those are big ifs, and that was a different situation.
However, the bottom line is that if an F1 driver, who by definition is a human gifted with a great amount of courage, feels concerns about safety, mere administrators and moneychangers should heed their anxiety.
To those who claim they don't want the terrorists to win, and are brazen about the need of the world of sports to continue as normal, I say:
Give us peace in the Middle East, and get the warmongers around the world to tone down their rhetoric, and then talk to me about entertainment.
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Posted 17 September 2001 - 16:50
Bernie is another type of terrorists!!!
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Odyss
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Posted 17 September 2001 - 17:36
Bernie should grow a beard and live in a cave. He can't go around issuing fatwas like that, unless he want's to meet the same fate(figuratively speaking) that his bearded fatwa issuing soulmate is likely to suffer.
Why do I get the feeling that F1 is ready for a revolution, French-revolution style, with the bigheads about to feel the cutting-edge of change?
This is not a case of "my tragedy is bigger than your's". Sure there have been bigger tragedies in terms of people dying. But surely MS and RS and whoever is entitled to feel a certain way in response to a tragedy. Who are Bernie and the MS, RS bashers on this issue?
The feelings-Gestapo?? They are going to determine what the appropriate feeling and response of individuals are to tragedies?! If there is a contract that needs to be honored, try and get someone to honor it, but don't go threaten drivers if they don't feel like racing and they are not violating any contract by not racing. Driving a racing car is not like sitting behind a desk or being a salesman that you can do it, if you have strong feelings against driving. So don't go making falsely heroic comparisons to your own lives.
Why do I get the feeling that F1 is ready for a revolution, French-revolution style, with the bigheads about to feel the cutting-edge of change?
This is not a case of "my tragedy is bigger than your's". Sure there have been bigger tragedies in terms of people dying. But surely MS and RS and whoever is entitled to feel a certain way in response to a tragedy. Who are Bernie and the MS, RS bashers on this issue?
The feelings-Gestapo?? They are going to determine what the appropriate feeling and response of individuals are to tragedies?! If there is a contract that needs to be honored, try and get someone to honor it, but don't go threaten drivers if they don't feel like racing and they are not violating any contract by not racing. Driving a racing car is not like sitting behind a desk or being a salesman that you can do it, if you have strong feelings against driving. So don't go making falsely heroic comparisons to your own lives.
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Posted 17 September 2001 - 17:47
That is what FREEDOM is all about!
I believe the point is that F1 teams and personnel have basically signed a deal with Ecclestone or FIA or whatever it is, that says that they MUST participate in the series except under such and such circumstances and this is not one of those circumstances. So what BE is saying that they must participate unless they want to face the consequences.
