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#1 A3

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 12:20

Especially for all the armchair experts who judge drivers on news reports without knowing them even remotely. You know who you are and I hope you feel good about yourselves. Big :down: to y'all.

Maranello, 25th September -Tomorrow, Michael Schumacher leaves for the United States to take part in the grand prix at Indianapolis, the penultimate round of the 2001 season. Before going, the German driver made a few comments regarding rumours circulating last week that he might not take part in this race. Michael stressed that this had never been an option. "I never had any doubts about racing in Indianapolis. Naturally, like everyone, I wanted to see if anything would happen after the attacks in the USA, but, as I said, in principle, I always wanted to race there."

Michael still has the same feelings of grief that affected him in Monza, which is one of the reasons why he feels the Indianapolis race is important. "I really hope we can offer a little moral support and maybe even some form of distraction for the American people," said Michael. "We want to give them a shot of courage and help them get through these difficult times. I think I can speak on behalf of all the drivers when I say we are all deeply shocked by these acts of terrorism and we all offer our sincere and deepest sympathies to the families of the victims."

The rumours began to spread after the Ferrari driver seemed to keep himself to himself over the Monza weekend at the Scuderia's home race, after the terrible acts of terrorism in New York and Washington. Now, Michael describes his feelings that weekend. "The weekend at Monza was very difficult for me. Because of the dreadful events in the USA, I arrived in a sad state of mind and, in Thursday's press conference, that feeling grew even stronger and I could not get the images out of my mind. I had a long conversation with Jean Todt, who offered me the choice as to whether I raced or not. But this was our home grand prix and I felt the need to drive. Over the course of the weekend, my mood was not helped by various incidents which occurred. It started with Jos Verstappen's big accident and then those of Heidfeld and Raikkonen on Friday, followed by Mika Hakkinen's on Saturday. All this added to a sombre atmosphere caused by events in the United States.

"Alessandro Zanardi's horrible accident on Saturday afternoon was the final straw which led to our actions on Sunday morning.
Some drivers came to see me, in the same state of mind over what happened in the States and over the weekend and we discussed what we could do to tackle this situation in an appropriate and respectful manner. On top of that, we had in mind the tragic events at this race last year. The drivers agreed not to overtake in the first two chicanes, but after some team bosses forbade their drivers to sign the agreement, there was nothing to do and the race started normally. All of us except one were in agreement. I still believe it would have been the right thing to do and it is absolutely wrong that some team principals can take unfair advantage of the fact that drivers depend on them and can be forced to act against their clear wishes. I still cannot understand it."


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#2 BRG

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 12:35

Originally posted by A3 it is absolutely wrong that some team principals can take unfair advantage of the fact that drivers depend on them and can be forced to act against their clear wishes[/B]

except when it is your #2 that is being forced to give way for you ....... hypocrite.

#3 The Soul Stealer

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 12:37

Good Post

Thanks A3:up: :up: :up:

#4 A3

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 12:39

Originally posted by BRG
except when it is your #2 that is being forced to give way for you ....... hypocrite.


OMG ! That you even have the guts to compare those 2 things is beyond me ! Please ! :rolleyes:

#5 pRy

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 12:47

Everyone was in some way effected by the events of that week.

Schumacher was not alone in being emotionally moved and changed by what occured, and it just so happened that he was one of the more upset drivers, but emotion was not just confined to him, teams cancelled partys, press conferences. There was a sober mood around the entire paddock and circuit. Everyone was in a down beat mood. It was far from a normal Grand Prix. I saw Schumacher on Thursday leaving the press conference, and he just walked straight to his motor home, at quite a fast pace of walking too. He just didn't want to do anything like sign autographs, talk to people. That was how bad things where for him. As far as "PR" goes, Schumacher took part in nothing that weekend. Ferrari itself was also moved a great deal, the US being their biggest market, you can't underestimate how far reaching the events went in Formula One. It's not just about drivers and how they react, its about everyone in the sport.

To condem or be critical of anyone for how they reacted to what happened, would be very inhuman. If anything, it proved Schumacher is not the cold heartless robot people have accused him of in the past, he is very much human.

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 12:48

imola '94

#7 A3

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 12:58

For crying out loud magic, can't you just give your opinion in stead of posting a date? Do I really need to ask, "what you you mean, magic?" :rolleyes:

#8 HSJ

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 13:12

MS's feelings excused, it seems. I'll gladly take that :down: if that is the price of truth and honesty. If one isn't able to control one's emotions and empathy... :down: for them.

#9 A3

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 13:17

Originally posted by HSJ
MS's feelings excused, it seems. I'll gladly take that :down: if that is the price of truth and honesty. If one isn't able to control one's emotions and empathy... :down: for them.


. It started with Jos Verstappen's big accident and then those of Heidfeld and Raikkonen on Friday, followed by Mika Hakkinen's on Saturday. All this added to a sombre atmosphere caused by events in the United States.

"Alessandro Zanardi's horrible accident on Saturday afternoon was the final straw which led to our actions on Sunday morning.


So you're saying you wouldn't be affected by this when you'd be in the Drivers Safety Association?

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 15:00

hill on imola '94:
'...The first shock came when Rubens Barrichello crashed during the opening qnalifing session at Imola...What shook us most was the rate at which the car took off; at one stage it looked as if it was going to smash trough the fence and fly into the grandstand. The Jordan, more by luck than anything else, finished on its side, upside down and against the barrier...'

ms on monza '01:
'...Over the course of the weekend, my mood was not helped by various incidents which occurred. It started with Jos Verstappen's big accident and then those of Heidfeld and Raikkonen on Friday, followed by Mika Hakkinen's on Saturday...'

hill on imola '94:
'...I got to Tosa corner, only to be confronted by the remains of Roland Ratzenberger's Simtek. I could see where the debris had started and, judging by the distance travelled, it was obvious that this had been a very big accident. As I went by, I had a strong sense of foreboding about his condition because there was so much destruction. With Barrichello we had been lucky. This time it was very clear that poor Roland was not going to be let off so lightly...'

ms on monza '01:
"Alessandro Zanardi's horrible accident on Saturday afternoon was the final straw which led to our actions on Sunday morning....'

hill on imola '94:
'....And, unbeknown to everyone, this was to be the start of a terrible sequence of events which would demonstrate in no uncertain terms the inherent dangers of the sport...'

ms on monza '01:
'....we discussed what we could do to tackle this situation in an appropriate and respectful manner. On top of that, we had in mind the tragic events at this race last year. The drivers agreed not to overtake in the first two chicanes,... I still believe it would have been the right thing to do ...

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still puzzled?

looks like ms remembered how things went wrong in imola'94.
and did himself and others a favour trying to prevent another black weekend.

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 15:13

Originally posted by magic
hill on imola '94:
'...The first shock came when Rubens Barrichello crashed during the opening qnalifing session at Imola...What shook us most was the rate at which the car took off; at one stage it looked as if it was going to smash trough the fence and fly into the grandstand. The Jordan, more by luck than anything else, finished on its side, upside down and against the barrier...'

ms on monza '01:
'...Over the course of the weekend, my mood was not helped by various incidents which occurred. It started with Jos Verstappen's big accident and then those of Heidfeld and Raikkonen on Friday, followed by Mika Hakkinen's on Saturday...'



hill on imola '94:
'....And, unbeknown to everyone, this was to be the start of a terrible sequence of events which would demonstrate in no uncertain terms the inherent dangers of the sport...'

ms on monza '01:
'....we discussed what we could do to tackle this situation in an appropriate and respectful manner. On top of that, we had in mind the tragic events at this race last year. The drivers agreed not to overtake in the first two chicanes,... I still believe it would have been the right thing to do ...

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still puzzled?

looks like ms remembered how things went wrong in imola'94.
and did himself and others a favour trying to prevent another black weekend.


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I think all F1 drivers act on intuition - often their lives depend on it. Looks like Shumi and quite a few others felt something was wrong at Monza that weekend and just wanted to be extra careful. More power to them. :up:
I'm still surprised that there are so many folks who hate a certain driver (in this case Schumi, but equally it could be JPM or JV in other cases) so much that everything he does is wrong/contemptible/arrogant in their eyes. Wake up guys - most of the time these drivers do genuinely do what they think is best for the sport - they are putting their lives at risk each time they go out there (yes, I know they're well paid, but so?) - let's give them some credit.

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 15:22

3609

#13 A3

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 16:19

Now Magic, was it that hard to post that in stead of a date? Good post :up:

3610 :p

#14 lukywill

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 20:05

Originally posted by pRy
Everyone was in some way effected by the events of that week.

Schumacher was not alone in being emotionally moved and changed by what occured, and it just so happened that he was one of the more upset drivers, but emotion was not just confined to him, teams cancelled partys, press conferences. There was a sober mood around the entire paddock and circuit. Everyone was in a down beat mood. It was far from a normal Grand Prix. I saw Schumacher on Thursday leaving the press conference, and he just walked straight to his motor home, at quite a fast pace of walking too. He just didn't want to do anything like sign autographs, talk to people. That was how bad things where for him. As far as "PR" goes, Schumacher took part in nothing that weekend. Ferrari itself was also moved a great deal, the US being their biggest market, you can't underestimate how far reaching the events went in Formula One. It's not just about drivers and how they react, its about everyone in the sport.

To condem or be critical of anyone for how they reacted to what happened, would be very inhuman. If anything, it proved Schumacher is not the cold heartless robot people have accused him of in the past, he is very much human.


ya, ms had already the 01 championship on his pocket.
still, i remember how he laugh at australia in 94 when he was told he won the championship.

#15 A3

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Posted 26 September 2001 - 21:21

Originally posted by lukywill
still, i remember how he laugh at australia in 94 when he was told he won the championship.


Where's the link with your memory and this thread? I can't understand how the look on his face in 1994 has anything to do with him being in a bad mood after all the things that happened before and during the Italian GP ???

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Posted 27 September 2001 - 02:02

Originally posted by BRG
except when it is your #2 that is being forced to give way for you ....... hypocrite.


Jean Todt decides policy like that not MS.
MS did not radio in and asked whether Rubens can move over.

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Posted 27 September 2001 - 06:15

Magic, as far as i understand the idea to not to overtake was not MS's one but others that came to MS since he his the head of them.

#18 A3

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Posted 28 September 2001 - 07:22

Ferrari at the US GP:

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#19 magic

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Posted 28 September 2001 - 08:31

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Schumacher confirmed he was out of focused in Monza, saying: "I don't think I was ever in it. What happens normally over a weekend is that you develop the car, and you work hard. You get into it. But I never really got into it at Monza." He added that the only time previously he felt similarly was in 1994, "when (Ayrton) Senna died. It was a very tough period for me and for most of my mates, as well."
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#20 Real Estate Queen

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Posted 28 September 2001 - 10:30

With all due respect to MS opinion, I think it is also fair to say that he made his comments based on his vantage position (i.e. 4xWDC and 52 wins). It would be interesting to see if he would have taken the same aproach had Ferrari and MS himself been in Beneton or BAR's situation. I think that in view of all the success he has already had, maybe the whole thing is starting to look a bit silly to him. It is the natural course of things. One more big hapenning (God forbid) could seriously affect whatever determination and drive he has left inside, and he might just call it a day.
To think that MS acted purely based on humanitarian consideration and concern for his fellow drivers, the public and the sport in general, seems a bit far fetched after knowing the guy for 10 years.

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Posted 28 September 2001 - 10:33

I guess we'll never know that Real Estate Queen, but the look on his face and his general state of mind over the weekend suggest otherwise.

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Posted 28 September 2001 - 10:53

I think what started as a genuine shock and horror about the tragedy in the USA, became even more intense with the Zanardi accident. Bear in mind that for about 30 minutes on Saturday afternoon, the entire paddock thought Zanardi is dead, due to misinformation.


Magic's post is spot-on: the feeling was, "how worse can it get and should we even take the slightest risk of adding more to this tally of tragedies."


I think it's utterly unfair to question Schumacher's sincerity (although I can understand what you're saying, Real Estate Queen, that's a natural thought to think). Something Schumacher said yesterday in Indy, which I completely agree with:

"If you are young, you have maybe less of a vision of what has really happened. You are too young to understand. When I was young, and various things have happened in the past, I didn't fully understand what was going on there. With the age I am, it ouches myself a lot deeper, and you suffer much more."


Anyone here who is a father, I think will relate to Schumacher's words.

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Posted 28 September 2001 - 11:11

Originally posted by Real Estate Queen
To think that MS acted purely based on humanitarian consideration and concern for his fellow drivers, the public and the sport in general, seems a bit far fetched after knowing the guy for 10 years.

Could you please expand on how well you know MS?? I could do with a good laugh.

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Posted 28 September 2001 - 11:16

Good post, A3. I will take MS's words at face value.:up:

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Posted 29 September 2001 - 04:13

Originally posted by magic
imola '94


I'll never forget it too...

not due Senna, but Roland died one day before. So, there's no excuse like MS didn't know senna was dead just because he knew Roland was dead !

There is nothing better than experience to make people better.

Just compare 94's MS with 2001's MS.



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Posted 29 September 2001 - 06:55

Originally posted by magic
looks like ms remembered how things went wrong in imola'94.
and did himself and others a favour trying to prevent another black weekend.


When I saw MS doing "weird" things that we're not used to see like talking to other drivers just before the start, I started to remember Imola '94 and Senna doing things that he didn't used to do.

I'm glad that the story didn't repeat :up:

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Posted 29 September 2001 - 07:00

Today on Speedvision somebody said that Monza was the first race where Michael wasn't focus on the race. If I'm not mistaken he (Matchett I think) also said that maybe he is starting to be worried about other things and that maybe it was the beginning of the end of the Michael Schumacher era.

#28 Real Estate Queen

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Posted 29 September 2001 - 08:27

Nikolas Garth:

I only know MS public face and his racing, which may be a lot less than you know. If you want to laugh that is fine with me.

#29 Viktor

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Posted 29 September 2001 - 09:46

Originally posted by MONTOYASPEED
Today on Speedvision somebody said that Monza was the first race where Michael wasn't focus on the race. If I'm not mistaken he (Matchett I think) also said that maybe he is starting to be worried about other things and that maybe it was the beginning of the end of the Michael Schumacher era.

I dont think this is the beginning of the end. I dont think MS woth have been so unfocused if he had not won the championship. He had nothing to win in this race exept add another win to his total of 52 wins.

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#30 The_Z_Man

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Posted 29 September 2001 - 10:06

Originally posted by MONTOYASPEED
Today on Speedvision somebody said that Monza was the first race where Michael wasn't focus on the race. If I'm not mistaken he (Matchett I think) also said that maybe he is starting to be worried about other things and that maybe it was the beginning of the end of the Michael Schumacher era.

I place that in Brazil 2001 (let's just forget about JPM), but it had been a long time since a driver other than the infamous Newey Passengers passed Schumacher for the lead in perfectly healthy and no less infamous Byrne Mobile.

That didn't mean that Schumacher was finished by any stretch of the imagination, but face it, he is not getting any younger and he's been around 10 years.

Just my take on this anyway.

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