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[pgoricha]

The latest edition of ITV's F1 Racing magazine reports that Michael Schumacher has agreed to race in the World Karting Finals later this month. Has anyone else read this, and can they shed more light on the event, i.e. will it be televised?

[Ross Stonefeld]

There was a rumour like that on April fool, even TonyKart's Jean Marcioni got in on it. At the time it was a hoax

[AD]

Yeah, I read that too. He's in loose-loose situation though IMO.

[JayWay]

Whats the purpose of this?

There are only two drivers allowed per team. So that means some driver is losing his seat. I am not sure of Tony Karts lineup right now, but they are pretty much the biggest factory team and for sure there drivers are no losers.

[312 PB]

not gonna happa
unfortunately

recycled rumour

[magic]

wasn't it also in autosport mag and motorsport aktuell?

they are preparing 8 engines for his wdc.

[wipassana]

Besides that it is not true it would be very stupid to do. Because MS is not the best kart racer. I mean he was very good. But people like verstappen,salo,hakkinen,frenzen,trulli,fisco, are much better drivers then he was in karting. And i think even those drivers wont be immiadiatly up to the challange with the yong people who drive the karts every day these days..

[Todd]

Between the 1999 and 2000 seasons, Michael and Rubens entered a karting festival. They made the rest of the participants look pretty ordinary, and Michael made Rubens look like he was driving on wooden tires.

[wipassana]

Yeh and you do believe that? I can remember the karting festival at berci. And all people i know and lost of rumeors also it seems that ms just gets the better karts. Because why would the big guns come back to the event if they are beaten by people like salo and jos verstappen? Do you really believe that MS who is the best current f1 driver was also the best kart race? Well i am sorry to tell you this but everyone in kart world knows that MS was fast but noone ever expected him to be that good in f1 (or even getting there) Frenzen was always the better driver (kart and the group c cars). And trulli is mabey the best karting driver ever. So please dont expect MS to be the best in every car. Becose he istn.

[Todd]

Originally posted by wipassana
Yeh and you do believe that? I can remember the karting festival at berci. And all people i know and lost of rumeors also it seems that ms just gets the better karts. Because why would the big guns come back to the event if they are beaten by people like salo and jos verstappen? Do you really believe that MS who is the best current f1 driver was also the best kart race? Well i am sorry to tell you this but everyone in kart world knows that MS was fast but noone ever expected him to be that good in f1 (or even getting there) Frenzen was always the better driver (kart and the group c cars). And trulli is mabey the best karting driver ever. So please dont expect MS to be the best in every car. Becose he istn.

Michael's Karting Career :

1984
Karts: German Junior Champion

1985
Karts: German Junior Champion, World Championship runner-up

1987
Karts: European + German Champion

Sorry, myth-peddler. There is not a bit of truth in anything that you just wrote. Michael was a master of karts, he was always better than Frentzen, and they don't stack the deck at Bercy. Ross Brawn discovered Michael's talent during his Group C days. Ross was running the quicker TWR Jaguars, and he noticed that there was one driver who could keep their pace in the Mercedes. It wasn't H2F. Why do you suppose Mercedes gave Michael an F1 shot with Jordan in 1991 and H2F had to wait until 1994 for Sauber?

The German F3 championship manipulated to create the impression that H2F once had the measure of Schumacher ignores 3 things. Michael wasn't well funded and he was hired to support H2F's championship bid. He tied H2F in the points anyway and, finally, Michael did it without competing in all of the races. Michael Schumacher is the best driver the world has known in several decades, and he has never done much of a job of hiding it.

[wipassana]

yooooooo wait!!!!!!!! you remember my post (i am back). What does facts say? do you really think it is special to be a german kart champion? i mean we are talking about formula 1 drivers. So they have all good results in karting!!!!!!!! but MS result and expecialy his speed was not the most impressing ever seen in the karting world. And frenzen was the better kart driver. Nope no statistics for that. Because bad luck and good luck is very important in racing.

[wipassana]

o now i am reading your post agian. I see somethng about MS being better then Frenzen in the mercedes car haha. Sorry lol. But frenzen was just the fasterdriver. It took MS a lot of time to be very quick (not as quick as frenzen). And frenzen also lest mercedes earlier i remember. But hey dont worrie i admin MS is better in f1. But it is strance that people always want MS to be best in every car at every point in his career. Well thats not true

[birdie]

It's Tonykart

1987
Karts: European + German Champion

Don't forget, he was only ICA Champion and there's two levels above that in international karting. He wasn't the dog bollocks like Trulli and Button were.

Do I think he's gonna race? I dunno. We're assuming he is and making travel arrangements to go and watch though. Tonykart could always kick out Sugiyama (least points out of any of their 8 drivers I think), it's not like they need to get rid of Davide or Franck.

[birdie]

I am not sure of Tony Karts lineup right now, but they are pretty much the biggest factory team and for sure there drivers are no losers.

drivers have been being replaced all year in many other teams why should Tony be any different? And they are one of the three biggest manufacturers (gotta stick up for CRG!!!) Anyway, the present line up is:

Tony Kart Racing Team
- Davide Fore
- Franck Perera

Tony Kart Srl
- Marko Asmer
- Akira (?) Sugiyama

Marechal Motorsport
- Caren Burton
- unfortunate mental block about the other

Koene
- Benjamini
- Randy Bakker

Koene are the ones who would be preparing the engines so if anyones got a mole in there pleeeeease find out if it's true

[RacingDriver]

Did Michael Schumacher beat Alain Prost in karting festival at berci at the end of the 1994 season? I remember I watched it on Europe Sport, he finished first in the final and Prost finished second with a excellent late ovetake. Tell me if it is wrong.

[Earthling]

Originally posted by Todd
Michael Schumacher is the best driver the world has known in several decades, and he has never done much of a job of hiding it.

:yawn:

[SNAKE]

Originally posted by Todd
Michael Schumacher is the best driver the world has known in several decades

Wow. Is this true?

[Foxbat]

Originally posted by SNAKE


Wow. Is this true?

Of course not.
Schumel was junk in every racing category other than F1, he has driven for the best team in the last 10 seasons and only has three championships to show for it, it took Ferrari 5 years to build a car that he could win with, he can't win without Brawn's superior strategies, he has won all his championships in a Byrne designed car, the level of opposition is pretty tame since Senna died, it's not as if he's ever beaten Senna anyway, he has never had a Senna/Prost calibre team (well he had a few but they don't count), of course he has lots of points/wins just look at the number of races in a season. I coul;d go on and on


It would be nice if Schumi did drive a kart race, we see far too little action from the F1 drivers outside the regular season.

[birdie]

I would love to see him get beat, that's why I'm goin. And if he doesn't race I still get to see the best racing in motorsport!

Does anyone know what karts they used when all the stars used to do Bercy? I know they use Sodikart/Rotaxes now but did they use prokarts or what? Big difference between those and Formula Super A's!

[Peeko]

I see somethng about MS being better then Frenzen in the mercedes car haha. Sorry lol. But frenzen was just the fasterdriver. It took MS a lot of time to be very quick (not as quick as frenzen).

Schumcaher was just as fast as Frentzen, but HHF used less fuel in doing it. Wendlinger also posted the same times, but took a lot longer to get there (i/e. more laps).

[RaggedEdge]

I had a good laugh reading the comments last time I mentioned Michael's less than illustrious races in German touring car series with a Mercedes...

Nevertheless, Michael has a very solid junior racing history. Certainly not perfect but pretty much as good as anybody's currently in F1.

And, for sure, he can drive karts well, unlike some other current F1 drivers. He is not invincible there, though, Barrichello beat him in some Ferrari intra-team snow-karting? head-on-head early last year.

[birdie]

Just heard that Tony are replacing Franck Perera with MS and also that CRG are also looking at running an as yet un-named F1 driver

[pgoricha]

Do you know the date of the event?

[birdie]

26th - 28th October

go to vroom.it there's news on there

[MortenF1]

Exciting! But, isn't it a bit dangerous?? I mean, there's a lot of karts on the track, so what if MS was hit and perhaps injured? And I have a question for you "Kart-know it alls"- What happened to the Trulli Kart? And, does anyone know anything about this years Bercy Kart event? (Elf masters isn't it?) Who's driving, and when will the event take place?

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by birdie
Just heard that Tony are replacing Franck Perera with MS and also that CRG are also looking at running an as yet un-named F1 driver

Michael

Lets hope the "un-named F1 driver" is also true and is somebody of importance, rather than lets say Wurz or Gene.

[birdie]

What happened to the Trulli Kart?

Still going strong, European FSA champ in 2000 but no World Championship team this year. Pretty popular in the UK where I am.

But, isn't it a bit dangerous?? I mean, there's a lot of karts on the track, so what if MS was hit and perhaps injured?

True, but also you don't often get the big accidents in karting that there seems to be at least one a year of in F1 or CART. Or at least I don't get to hear of them anyway! There's 34 karts on the track and they race very closely but speeds are relatively low. BTW, I did smile a bit at that, it's more like "when MS gets hit"

[birdie]

Lets hope the "un-named F1 driver" is also true and is somebody of importance, rather than lets say Wurz or Gene

I'm rackin my brains trying to work out who it might be

[MortenF1]

Yeah, perhaps its a case of WHEN he will be hit, and not IF! Hehe, I can very well imagine that there will be 33 fired up karters determined to beat the F1 WC! Watch out Michael!

[birdie]

So who else is going? To watch I mean

[DX_Doppler]

Originally posted by RaggedEdge

Lets hope the "un-named F1 driver" is also true and is somebody of importance, rather than lets say Wurz or Gene.

Didn't Fisichella drive for the CRG team? He might be a possibility. I would love though to see Montoya try his hand.

Schumacher will without a doubt be in top form in the finals, he is after all a karting fanatic who spends most of his spare time tinkering with his 2 stroke kart. I remember him telling the press once that the best birthday present he has had is when Corinna gave him some spare parts for his kart engine.

[birdie]

Didn't Fisichella drive for the CRG team? He might be a possibility

Think he was with PCR for his last few years in karts 92/93. Everyone's driven for CRG and Tony at some point though ;)

If Schumy's that good in karts why didn't he win in anything bigger than ICA? Didn't he have the money to stay in karts or what? I'm not counting the Monaco Cup he won in 1996, that's not a serious event on a level with the World Champs. He was before my time, got into the sport in about 1994.