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#1 Barry Lake

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Posted 03 November 2001 - 11:33

Largely inspired by the "Who was A Bernadio" thread, but also because I have been aware of Mo Nunn since his early F3 days, 1965-on, I arranged to have an interview with him at last weekend's Honda Gold Coast 300 CART race.

Mo's PR man, Laz Denes, assured me that Mo didn't like giving interviews, that I shouldn't expect to have too much time with him.

I arrived in Surfers Paradise on the Thursday, couldn't get together with Mo until Saturday afternoon.

But he spent close to an hour and a half with me, before he had to leave. We hadn't finished, so he said to come around Sunday morning before the warm-up, when he spent another hour and a quarter, leaving only when he heard the engines firing up for the session!

Laz e-mailed me during the week and said I had spent more time with Mo this year than all the other journalists to whom he'd granted interviews - put together.

I have several thousand words, some great stories, and enough info to do at least two quite different magazine articles.

My interest in Mo and his history is now greater than ever. I have decided to add another project to my already long list and try to get as much information on Mo's career as possible.

Can The Nostalgia Forum experts lend a hand with a few facts?

I have the Sheldon F3 Fact Book for 1964-1966, so I'm covered there, but I do not have the book for 1967-1969. Does someone have that one, who is able to relay some results? Ideally I would like to have the complete details of every race he entered, but that's a bit much to ask. Just the dates and places, his car and his results would be a start. Are these results listed anywhere on the web yet?

Also, I would like to have details of his races from the beginning of his career to when he began in F3. I didn't get a year, but Mo said he started racing with an alread-out-of-date Cooper Climax 1.5 that he bought from the Ashmore Brothers, Gerry and Chris. I am guessing it was somewhere around 1962-64. Mo came out of national service with the RAF in 1960 and went into business, from which he earned enough money to buy the car.

Mo's first race with the car was a F-Libre event at Mallory Park, that included Jack Pearce in a Lotus 22 with Twin Cam Ford, and Chris Summers "with a monster engine in a single-seater".

He didn't mention the second meeting, but the third was at Silverstone, where he remembers he finished third.

Shortly after that he moved to a Lotus 23B sports car, which he ran in sports car races and F-Libre.

That's all the details I have (as opposed to related stories) of the pre-F3 days.

He also mentioned he'd run in "the first" BOAC 1000 (two 500 milers on consecutive days) with a Sunbeam Tiger. Anita Taylor also was in the race in an MGB.

Can anyone add anything to any of this?

Do any of the historic car enthusiasts know any of the history of the Ashmore Cooper, pre-Ashmore and post-Nunn?

It's possible, also, that he ran in other races (sports? touring cars?) during his F3 years. Any info in this direction also would be helpful.

And sorry, we didn't get to the question of "Who was A Bernadio?" But now we have him a bit more inspired about his history, perhaps his memory will dredge up something more than he already has remembered. I am hoping to be able to learn more from Mo, little by little, via e-mail. I also passed on to him a print-out of the history of his Ensign F1 cars, from OldRacingCars.com, which surprised and astounded him. Looking at it, almost in disbelief, he said, "I don't even have this information!"

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#2 Don Capps

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Posted 03 November 2001 - 13:10

I have the Sheldon F3 Fact Book for 1964-1966, so I'm covered there, but I do not have the book for 1967-1969.


Barry,

I have most of these books including the one for the years mentioned. Indeed, I certainly remember Mo Nunn when he was competing in F3. I will see what I can do for you on the results.

Also, splendid work! I am so impressed that you got that much time for him. He is definitely someone whose story is worthy of recording.

As for the data on his cars that you provided him from Allen, now there will be no end of living with Allen.... :lol: Which is fine since he deserves credit for pulling that information together into one place. BTW, it is now all that unusual for those in the midst of things to not have that great a knowledge of certain aspects of the enterprise since they are so focused on the Here and Now that it is easy to not be aware of much of the "detail" or even the "overall" picture from another perspective.

Again, superb job Barry!!! :up: :up:

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Posted 04 November 2001 - 01:21

Mo Nunn's first race may have been on September 2nd 1962 at Mallory Park. He finished fourth in an ex-F2 cooper Climax. THe race was won by John Taylor in a Formula 1 Cooper-Ford. I can't find any reference to Chris Summers or Jack Pearce in that particular race, but they were both very active in F Libre at that time. Summers' monster engine in a single seater was a Cooper-Chevrolet. I can't identify the Silverstone race he refers to, it could be early 1963.

By 1964 he was racing quite regularly and successsfully in the Lotus 23.

i am mystified by his reference to a BOAC 1000 as I thought the 500 mile race in 1967 was the first time the airline had sposored a motor race. I can't think of another race that fits his description.

#4 Barry Lake

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Posted 04 November 2001 - 05:20

Thanks Roger. That's a good start.

The 2 September 1962 race does sound like it might have been his first. It's the right car, right track.

It isn't unusual for people to mix up their memories a bit, particularly those who don't spend a lot of time pondering their past. The two other cars he mentions might have been in subsequent races.

I think that 1967 BOAC 500 might be the race he is referring to. He said it was supposed to be a 1000 miler but because they became worried that no one would finish, they decided to make it two 500 milers. That might be another example of fading memory. It's possible it became just a 500 mile race. In the case of races like that with big entries it sometimes is difficult to find who was actually in them, other than the placegetters.

It is times like this I wish I had a collection of Autosport. I never thought I would need them because I had a close friend who had a complete collection and allowed me ready access. But then he moved far, far away to northern Queensland, and later he died. I have been unable to find any trace of his widow or of his Autosport collection. It's like losing an arm.

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Posted 04 November 2001 - 07:46

I checked the field of the 1967 BOAC 500. Mo Nunn wasn't in it, there wsn't a Sunbeam Tiger and although there was an MGB it wasn't driven by Anita Taylor.

Incidentaly, can you imagine driving an MGB at Brands Hatch when the Chaparral, the Lola T70s and the Ferrari P4s were lapping you?

This shows Denny Hulme about to pass both Mike Spence and Paul Hawkins on braking for Druids while all three of them brush aside Alec Poole. Nice, too to see that the MGB is road registered and wearing a GB plate.

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 01:53

Hmmm! Looks a bit frightening to me. There's not much fun racing under those conditions, watching the rear vision mirror all the time and rarely getting a whole lap in on the racing line.

So I wonder which race Mo ran in the Sunbeam Tiger then?

It could have been a later BOAC race, or perhaps another race at Brands Hatch that he has confused with the BOAC?

How I'd love to have the Autosports. I'd be checking when Anita Taylor was racing, and when Rootes were promoting the Sunbeam Tiger - might be able to track the latter from other sources.

I have traced his first F3 race to Croft, 14 August 1965, placed fifth in a Lotus 31 behind Tony Dean Brabham BT15, Mike Knight Cooper 76, Jim Sullivan (an Australian friend of mine) Brabham BT16, and Mike Gill Brabham BT15.

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 07:58

You're a hard taskmaster Barry Lake!. Of course, you rarely got a full entry list for club races so unless the driver you're interested in finished in the first three or did smething unusual it can be difficult to follw his career. However, this is an interesting subject and I'll do what I can.

I'm having real difficulty tracking down this Brands Hatch race. Anita Taylor (the sister of Trevor, of course) came to prominence in 1962, but she was mainly connected with Ford, racing a Group 5 Anglia for Broadspeed. A profile of her in January 1967 didn't mention any non-Ford drives. "Anita can't darn or knit and confesses she cares little for housework. She loves cooking and says she is a good cook -obviously a staunch supporter of 'the way up to a man's heart is through his somach' clan". She was very good-looking and used a lot by Ford for publicity purposes. She could drive, too.

From memory, the Sunbeam Tiger started to appear in 1964 and in some numbers in 1965. I can't find any race that fits Mo's description up to the end of 1966, but I'll keep looking.

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 12:25

I went through my Motor Sport magazines for 1962 to see what I could learn about Mo's early races, but came up with nothing.

What I did find was a half-page story on Chris Summers' Cooper-Chevrolet - which explains why I remembered the car, I used to read Motor Sport avidly in those days.

I have scanned the story, so can send it to anyone who is interested. The car apparently began life as a leaf-spring 1.5 litre Cooper T45 Climax similar to the one Mo Nunn says he bought from Gerald Ashmore.

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 13:11

Take a look at WSPR-racing.com, sports car WC. For instance, the 1968 Nürburgring 1000 km has a "Moris Nunn" together with Alan Rollinson in a Chevron B8-BMW.

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 18:49

I can find no record of Mo Nunn racing after September 1962, until Boxing Day 1963. That doesn't mean he didn't race, of course, merely that he didn't do well enough to rate a mention in Autosport, or possibly I have missed it. I also have failed to find rference to the Silverstone third place or the Sunbeam Tiger drive.

On boxing Day 1963 he raced the cooper at Mallory Park and finished fourth.

By the start of te 1964 season he had the Lotus 23B. The car was said to be owned by Bertie Bradnack and to be ex-Jack Pearce.
  • On 8 March he raced at Mallory Park and won the sports car race
  • On 19th april, Mallory Park he was second in class, although beated by several smaller capacity cars. It was very wet
  • On June 14th he was third in class at a sports car race at Brands Hatch. This is the first race I have identified away from Mallory
  • On 3 august he raced at mallory. In the formula Libre race the car swerved vilently as it left the line. He continued but did not finish. The car could not be repaired in time for the sports car race but he was lent a Lotus 7 by R P Thompson. tompson did not know Nunn half an hour earlier!.
  • On 5th September at mallory he led from the start but was penalised one minute for jumping the start and finished fourth.
  • On 4 October at Brands Hatch he was 3rd in the sports car race and 5th in F Libre. By this time he was in some fairly good company, racing against the likes of Frank Gardner, Roy Pierpoint and roger Nathen. Peter Gethin was also competing, but it must have been one of his first seasons.
  • On 11 October at Mallory he won the sports car race

On Jan 22nd 1965 the car was advertised for sale: "Five wins, five seconds, car in immaculate condition £1,600. contact M Nunn, New Mills Garages, Wednesbury road, Walsall" (Does it still exist?). The advert only appeared for one week, suggesting a quick sale.

One other event he might have competed in was a sports car race at Mallory on Whit Sunday (May 17). The star attraction was Jim Clark who drove a lotus 32 and 30, winning with both. When was the last time the World Champpion flew from Indianapolis qulifying and had a police escort from Heathrow to race at Mallory Park? There was also an unknown who arrived with a Brabham-Cosworth and backing from Ford Austria, but we knew he wouldn't be any good, didn't we?

As for Anita Taylor, she co-drove with brother Trevor in the 6-hour saloon car race at Brands Hatch on June 6th, disproving my statement about her only driving Fords. And wandering completely off topic, and just to prove that a certain thread still has influence everywhere, who knew that the 1963 6-hour race featured a Sunbeam Rapier driven by Peter Harper and Chris Amon?

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 19:36

Originally posted by Roger Clark
...And wandering completely off topic, and just to prove that a certain thread still has influence everywhere, who knew that the 1963 6-hour race featured a Sunbeam Rapier driven by Peter Harper and Chris Amon?


Well, I knew about the Rapier but not it's drivers. Now I know!
By the way, what car did the Taylors drive? (I guess you referred to 1963 as well in this case).

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 20:19

You probably know this already but i´m posting this again, I found this in a Cart.com article:


"Indeed, Nunn seems to have been trying to retire from motor racing for many years. He was a successful Formula 3 driver in the late '60s before he founded the Ensign marque and designed his own cars. Backed by a young man named Rikki von Opel, Ensign moved up to Formula 1 in 1973, but Nunn struggled to pay the bills and finally threw in the towel at the end of '82.

"I wouldn't have missed the old days, because I have some very fond memories of all that," Nunn recalled. "I think my most enjoyable year ever was with Clay Regazzoni in 1977. We had £60,000 [approx. $87,000 U.S.] of sponsorship from Tissot watches, and Clay drove for us for nothing. All the prize money went into the pot, and Clay paid for his own air travel, his own motel. We never paid him a sausage, and we raced all year and had the best of times. No arguments, nothing, and I remember that as a great year. We went racing and had fun. We finally ran out of money in '82. That's when I folded the company and came to America."

For 10 years beginning in 1983, Nunn worked for a variety of Champ Car teams before finally landing with Ganassi. And the rest is history -- the four championships and all that went with them. But it wasn't enough for Nunn. He came close to quitting altogether at the end of 1998 and again a year later, resigned to a life on the golf course in Florida with his wife Kathryn."

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Posted 05 November 2001 - 23:52

Originally posted by Frank de Jong


Well, I knew about the Rapier but not it's drivers. Now I know!
By the way, what car did the Taylors drive? (I guess you referred to 1963 as well in this case).


The Taylors' drive was in 1964. They drove a 1071cc Mini Cooper S, entered by Aurora Gear Racing. They went very well, and after 4 hours were leading their class and 6th overall. They were leading the works and Broadspeed 1275 Cooper Ss at this time. Shortly after a timiing chain broke and they retired. They were classified 21st and last.

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Posted 06 November 2001 - 00:04

Sunbeam Rapier?? Chris Amon????

Roger, sometimes you astound me!!!

How'd they do BTW??

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Posted 06 November 2001 - 00:19

They finished 14th overall, 4th in class. By this time the Cortina Gts had the Rapiers well beaten in th 1600cc class.

and speaking of Mo Nunn, of course...

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Posted 06 November 2001 - 07:55

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread so far.

It's proving to be more difficult than I thought, to be honest.

I had visions of running through the F3 Black Books, and getting a few race reports from Roger of the early races and it was all over.

Silly me. :o

My latest effort was to go through the Time and Two Seats tomes from 1963 to 1971, name by name, in search of Nunn in any major sports car races.

All I found was the aforementioned 1968 Nurbirgring 1000 and one other entry (but "did not appear") for:

13 April 1969
Brands Hatch 6 Hours
Mike Beckwith/Morris Nunn
Lotus Vauxhall 62 entered by Lotus.

The books don't cover the BOAC races at Brands Hatch.

I have some Motoring News stored away in the garage that Peter Collins gave me before he went to England in the 1970s to try for the big time, but I think they only go back to about 1970 at the earliest. (Lotus team manager, that is, not Ferrari GP driver...:p )

When I find some time I will go down to the garage and investigate.

#17 Roger Clark

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Posted 06 November 2001 - 18:13

Originally posted by Barry Lake

13 April 1969
Brands Hatch 6 Hours
Mike Beckwith/Morris Nunn
Lotus Vauxhall 62 entered by Lotus.

The books don't cover the BOAC races at Brands Hatch.


?? THeBrands Hatch 6 hours was also known as the BOAC 500. Why 500, I don't know, it was a six hour race.

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Posted 06 November 2001 - 19:18

Any good Ensign stories??

Whatever happened to Rikki Von Opel??

....speaking of Mo, of course!!:lol:

#19 Roger Clark

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Posted 06 November 2001 - 20:39

Originally posted by Barry Lake

All I found was the aforementioned 1968 Nurbirgring 1000 and one other entry (but "did not appear") for:

13 April 1969
Brands Hatch 6 Hours
Mike Beckwith/Morris Nunn
Lotus Vauxhall 62 entered by Lotus.


Lotus entered two 62s for this race, the other for John Miles/Brian Muir. Only the Miles/Muir car was finished in time and that only just. The bodywork had a large number of spoilers tacked on at the last minute. It was also the first appearance of what became the Lotus 907 engine. Nevertheless, the car finished 13th overall and won its class. "That car couldn't manage one more lap" said John Miles

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Posted 07 November 2001 - 00:39

I must confess I didn't follow sports car racing very closely in those days. I was strictly an "open wheeler" man.

Can someone enlighten me on these Brands Hatch races? I am now thoroughly confused.

How many BOAC/Brands Hatch Six Hour races were there?

Were all the BOAC races called '500', or was there also a BOAC 1000?

Were all BOAC 500s also Brands Hatch Six Hours? Were all Brands Hatch Six Hour races also BOAC 500s?

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Posted 07 November 2001 - 09:58

In July 1971, motor sport publishd anarticle about Ensign Cars, which contained some informtion about Mo Nunn's early career. It included: "in the following year (1965) he decided to move up into Formula 2 with sponsorship from local industrialist and racing enthusiast, Bernard Lewis. A Lotus 22 was obtained , but running in F2 proved a failure and Nunn converted the car to F3 specification". The only entry by Nunn in a 1965 F2 race that I can find in Sheldon is the British Eagle Trophy on 30th August, which was after his F3 debut identified by Barry Lake above. In fact the British Eagle trophy was a combined F2/F3 race. Nunn ran with an MAE engine. Interestingly, sheldon gives his Lotus' chassis number as N1.

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Posted 07 November 2001 - 23:07

Barry: from 1967 to 1969 the race was officially the BOAC 6 Hours, but known as the BOAC 500, presumably on the grounds that they expected the winner to cover 500 miles or thereabouts. From 1970 it was the BOAC (later BA) 1000kms.

Results etc here:

http://www.wspr-raci...ts/results.html

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Posted 07 November 2001 - 23:16

Originally posted by Barry Lake
I also passed on to him a print-out of the history of his Ensign F1 cars, from OldRacingCars.com, which surprised and astounded him. Looking at it, almost in disbelief, he said, "I don't even have this information!"

Wow!! :D :D :D

Barry

Can I use this quote from Mo Nunn? Mo's a real hero to me and this quote deserves to be on the front page of my site.

This has really made my day!

Allen

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Posted 08 November 2001 - 00:22

I don't think the BOAC 500 name was anything to do with distance at all :confused: but I can't remember what the hell it was! :blush:

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Posted 08 November 2001 - 01:29

Originally posted by Allen Brown
Can I use this quote from Mo Nunn? Mo's a real hero to me and this quote deserves to be on the front page of my site.
This has really made my day! Allen


Allen

I will be e-mailing Mo with some questions relevant to all the above posts, but I want to be careful not to overwhelm him.

Asking for the above permisson will be high on the list, however, because he really was impressed.

The fact that the CART season is now over might be a help, although I think Mo will be busy setting up his IRL team - and it sounded as though he was in line for an interstate move of home. So it is difficult to tell how much time he will have to spare.

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Posted 08 November 2001 - 08:04

Barry

Thanks for that. It's very good of you.

Mo seems to be leading the charge from CART to IRL, very reminiscent of the charge from Can-Am to CART in 1981 and 1982. That's when Newman, Haas, Green, Rahal, Sullivan, VDS, Gallas and others moved across. Can-Am stumbled on for a few years but died in 1984 (and then died again in 1986 and died a third time in 1987). I wonder how many deaths CART will suffer over the next five years.

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Posted 08 November 2001 - 13:37

Originally posted by leegle
I don't think the BOAC 500 name was anything to do with distance at all :confused: but I can't remember what the hell it was! :blush:


According to the Brands Hatch entry in Georgano:

"... the circuit promoters' association with Guards Cigarettes produced a long string of top quality Guards Trophy sports car races. ... In 1965 a Guards double-500-mile race took place, developed into the Ilford 500 6-hour event the following year. In 1967 BOAC took over sponsorship and the event became a World Championship of Makes qualifying round, developing into a full 1000km race in 1970"

So "500" predates BOAC - unconscious humour using the word 'developed'?:)

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Posted 08 November 2001 - 14:24

And the 1965 Guards race is the missing Sunbeam Tiger drive! Mo Nunn drove with Peter Browning; they were sixth on the first day, sixth on the second and sixth overall.

Trevor Taylor "and his beautiful sister" drove their MGB to second place on the first day, but sufferred low oil pressure on the second, while challenging for the lead. They were 12th on the second day, seventh overall.

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Posted 10 November 2001 - 03:16

Vitesse2 and Roger

Thanks yet again. I am really pleased you found a race that agrees with Mo's story! I was beginning to worry about it.

My next question should be easier.

Mo said he won the F3 race (heats and a final) that supported the British GP. This has to be 1967, 1968 or 1969. How I wish I had the Formula 3 Fact Book for these years. I wonder how much it would cost to pay someone to phtocopy 300-odd pages...

Can anyone help with details of this race?

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Posted 10 November 2001 - 07:38

My records of F3 in this period are far from complete, but I reckon respective winners of the British GP support race in those three years were Charles Lucas, John Miles and Alan Rollinson. Mo Nunn did win at Silverstone on 27/3/67, which I thought might be the date for the International Trophy meeting, but that was on 29/4

#31 Roger Clark

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Posted 10 November 2001 - 14:29

I agree with David about the winners of the British Grand Prix support races, and I can't att he moment think what race he was talking about. However, it might be easier for someone who has the relvant Sheldon book to track it down.

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Posted 10 November 2001 - 23:09

Sorry. I thought it was an easy question.

The point of the story is that Mo wanted to impress Colin Chapman at this meeting. Team Lotus was there with Chapman, Clark et al.

Mo remembered it as a British GP, but it could have been another major race - such as the International Trophy, or something similar.

I have the 1964-1966 Sheldon F3 book and there's nothing in there that fits.

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Posted 11 November 2001 - 00:10

The race on 27/3/67 mentioned by David supported a major Formula 2 race. Graham Hill was there for Team Lotus but no Jim Clark, it was his tax exile year. The formula 2 race was in two heats, but not the Formula 3.

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Posted 11 November 2001 - 08:25

That was the traditional BARC Easter Monday international held at Silverstone for one year only,between the closure of Goodwood and opening of Thruxton in 68. I was there.

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Posted 12 November 2001 - 19:09

Originally posted by Roger Clark
Anita Taylor (the sister of Trevor, of course) came to prominence in 1962, but she was mainly connected with Ford, racing a Group 5 Anglia for Broadspeed. A profile of her in January 1967 didn't mention any non-Ford drives. "Anita can't darn or knit and confesses she cares little for housework. She loves cooking and says she is a good cook -obviously a staunch supporter of 'the way up to a man's heart is through his somach' clan". She was very good-looking and used a lot by Ford for publicity purposes.

Ahem, in the time-honoured fashion of TNF coming up with pics to prove the strangest of facts, and in the knowledge that many here share this other common passion of men with me (remember the RCN advert? Or the Hellé-Nice thread...):

Will somebody scan and post a picture of Anita Taylor???



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Posted 12 November 2001 - 19:48

Well Fines, I thought I'd leave a little to the imagination:
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#37 Roger Clark

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Posted 12 November 2001 - 20:31

I have a picture of the start of a race called the wills Trophy in 1966. It is at silverstone. The front row of the grid are roy Pike (Lotus41 numbeer 12), Mo Nunn (Lotus 41, number 18) and David Cole (Brabham BT18, number 9). visoble from the second row is Chris LAmbert (Brabham BT15, number 8). It is very wet. THe race was won by Robin Widdows' BT18. Can anybody tell me the date of this race?

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Posted 12 November 2001 - 20:49

I first met Mo Nunn at Rouen in 1968. Tim Parnell introduced me because of my interest in F-3 and Mo was very helpful and provided a lot of insight on what was involved in running an F-3 car, etc. I remember exactly where his paddock spot was in amongst the trees. What may be of interest to readers of this thread is that Mo's Lotus was painted in Gold Leaf Team Lotus colors - red on top, white on the bottom, etc.

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Posted 12 November 2001 - 21:28

..........speaking of Mo.

I remember a chat I had with Mo at the Glen in 1975. he had high hopes for 76, but no money due to the departure of his Dutch sponsers, also lost in the deal was the the Ensign 175. When I asked why his hopes were so high, he said, "Well, I still have Amon!!"

Hey MO!! :lol:

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Posted 12 November 2001 - 21:50

Thanx Frank!

Roger, the date is July 24.



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#41 Roger Clark

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Posted 12 November 2001 - 22:33

Thanks, Michael

this shows the end of the first lap. It can rain at silverstone in July. Mo Nunn is just visible, 6th; on dry weather tyres! He finished 10th in the heat and fifth in the final, setting fastest lap on a drying track. It could have been even better but he was involved in a multiple car accident shortly before the finish.

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#42 Roger Clark

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Posted 17 November 2001 - 01:20

some more on mo Nunn's early career. These are some extracts from a profile published in autosport Feb 14 1969.

Mo says: (in 1962 having bougt the Cooper) "we took it to Mallory Park and finished last". Two more races followed that year, the last being a third place at Silverstone.

This mention of the silverstone race is consistent with what he told Barry. It also implies that the 2nd September race, which i thought was his fisrt, was in fact, the second of his three races that year.

"...the Cooper enjoyed a dozen more races in 1963. the year ending with a shunt at Mallory Park" This can't be quite true as I know that he finished fourth in the Cooper on Boxing Day 1963 at Mallory.

THe Lotus 22 he drove in 1965 was built up by Racing Frames, which explains Sheldons N1 chassis number. Apparantly he had an SCA engine but could not obtain entries in F2, so used the car in Formula Libre races.

His full name is Morris Nuffield Nunn, his father worked for Morris motors during the war.

(Barry Lake may like this one) "Mo has a knack for knowing where the money is, a sort of F3 Jack Brabham, and never was this shown better than at the notorious pit-stop Mallory last March, when som fiendish arithmatic showed that if he led the 30-lap race for 28 laps before making the compulsory stop, at £5 per lap he would take home £140, while the winner of the race only received £25. He also collects money literally, for when he is not racing morris is a knowledgeable numismatist."

#43 David McKinney

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Posted 17 November 2001 - 07:26

Originally posted by Roger Clark
"...the Cooper enjoyed a dozen more races in 1963. the year ending with a shunt at Mallory Park" This can't be quite true as I know that he finished fourth in the Cooper on Boxing Day 1963 at Mallory.

There was no doubt more than one race on the programme - perhaps he crashed in a later handicap? Or there's always the classic crash-on-the-slowdown-lap scenario.

#44 Roger Clark

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Posted 17 November 2001 - 08:10

i don't think there was another race. The Libre race was race 4, Nunn finished 5th, not 4th as I said. Race 5 was saloon cars, race 6 was GT cars.

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Posted 17 November 2001 - 12:34

Barry
Here a a few more dates. Some of these may have already been mentioned.
Silverstone - March 27th 1967 - Formula 3 race - 20 laps
1st - M.Nunn - Lotus Ford
Refer Motor Sport May 1967 - P403
There is a photo on P405 of Mo leading the field

Silverstone - April 29th 1967 - Formula 3 race - 25 laps
1st - P. Westbury - Brabham Ford
2nd - M.Nunn - Lotus Ford
3rd - A.Rollinsom - Brabham Ford
Refer Motor Sport June 1967 P516

Silverstone - July 15th 1967 - British Grand Prix meeting
Formula 3 support race - 20 laps
6th - M.Nunn - Lotus Ford (4 seconds behind winner)
Refer Motor Sport August 1967

Reims 25th June 1967 - Formula 3 support race to the 12 hour race
held the previous day
8th - M.Nunn - Brabham Ford (15 seconds behind winner)
Refer Motor Sport August 1967 P714

Nurburgring 1000K - May 19th 1968
14th Outright and 3rd in class -
A.Rollinson / M.Nunn - Chevron BMW
Refer Motor Sport June 1968 P 472

Brands Hatch - September 3rd 1968 - Formula 3 race
Heat 2 - 3rd M.Nunn - Lotus Ford
Final - Mo competed but not mentioned in results
Refer Motor Sport - October 1968 P926

I assume you have these Motor Sports in your library. Let me know if you havent.

#46 Roger Clark

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Posted 17 November 2001 - 12:58

You will see from Brian's post thatmo drove a Brabham at Reims on 25th June 1967 and a Lotus at Silverstone on July 15th.THe Brabham ws entered by Ian Walker racing, the lotus was his own. He drove the Brabham at Reims, Le Mans (the Grand Prix support race) and Rouen. At rouen, he non-started due to mechanical problems and had a major disagreement with the team. This waaaas July 9th. Six days later Mike Knight had replaced him in the Walker car and Mo was back in the old Lotus.

Incidentally, the engine in the Lotus had a Holbay cylinder head and a Cosworth bottom end, and was often known as a Cosbay.

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Posted 17 November 2001 - 13:30

Nipping forward to 1969 again:

"Morris Nunn's [1968] victories in a 1966 Mark 41 earned him a place in the 1969 Players Gold Leaf Lotus F3 team"

Georgano p506

Impressive stuff, to run a two-year-old F3 car and win in that era!

#48 Barry Lake

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Posted 17 November 2001 - 13:31

I just had a brilliant idea! I went to my filing cabinet(s) and pulled out a file marked "Profiles N".

There was a copy of a "Race of my Life" story from the back page of Autosport July 14, 1988. The subject was Mo Nunn and the race was the Wills F3 Trophy Race, March 27, 1967. Lotus-Holbay 41.

The story is almost exactly as Mo told it to me, near enough to word for word - except that it wasn't a British GP meeting. I note that Jack Brabham was driving an F2 car at that meeting, so my guess is that Chapman and Clark were there for the F2 race. Does that sound right?

This was Easter Monday, incidentally.

#49 Roger Clark

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Posted 18 November 2001 - 08:15

Originally posted by Barry Lake


There was a copy of a "Race of my Life" story from the back page of Autosport July 14, 1988. The subject was Mo Nunn and the race was the Wills F3 Trophy Race, March 27, 1967. Lotus-Holbay 41.

The story is almost exactly as Mo told it to me, near enough to word for word - except that it wasn't a British GP meeting. I note that Jack Brabham was driving an F2 car at that meeting, so my guess is that Chapman and Clark were there for the F2 race. Does that sound right?

This was Easter Monday, incidentally.


We said a little about this race on page 1 of this thread, see posts on 11 nov.

#50 Barry Lake

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Posted 18 November 2001 - 09:33

Sorry Roger. Too many things on my mind.

I did notice, after I had posted, that someone said Jim Clark wasn't at the meeting, but Graham Hill was.

At least I now know which race it was.

I am trying to reduce the number of questions for Mo to a minimum before I e-mail him. There's nothing more off-putting for a busy person that a mass of text to read.