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[clickhappy]

has anyone else read this?

Among other things it hints at Ralf being a homosexual. What this has to do with being a Formula One driver is beyond me.

It also sets up a ominous tone for the relationship between JPM and Ralf. Supposedly the following conversation took place between Ralf and Zanardi;

Ralf: "Winning the CART Championship is winning nothing. Anybody can win races there. Even Juan Pablo can win races there and he was only good enough to be William's test drive over here."

Alex: "What do you mean? Juan Pablo is a very good driver."

Ralf: "Juan Pablo is no good at all. He is very average."

The whole article is weird. Is is titled as a story about both Schumacher brothers, but seems to focus (in a negative light) on Ralf.

Anyone else read it and want to comment?

[marglar]

Originally posted by clickhappy
has anyone else read this?

Among other things it hints at Ralf being a homosexual. What this has to do with being a Formula One driver is beyond me.

His new son David must have been some kind of PR stunt then.

[Frank R. Champs]

I too read the article and felt it was not only very negative, but also very misinformed. It was almost like the writer of the article was trying to create a dramatic soap opera-like story out of the whole thing. He was even negative about Michael. At one point he said something like "2001 seemed to bring out the worst in (michael) schumacher", referring to his ethics. He referred to the couple of times schumi blamed his tires for being beaten. Any knowledgable F1 fan knows that blaming one's tires for losing is a pretty legitimate excuse, especially knowing the cold/hot weather performance of bridgestone v. michelin. To me, the writer of that article knew little or nothing about F1 and was just trying to create a WWF scenario. It was a shameful peice of writing in an otherwise excellent magazine.

Frank

[Earthling]

Lol...PR stunt!
Leave Ralf alone...he does the best he can.
After all, he did win more races than Mika and David this year!
And about him compared to Juan Pablo, well its simple...Juan just needed time to adapt to an F1 car while Ralf probably didnt get alot better this season.

Some ppl change(to the better) fast, and some slowly. Im sure there are tons of examples to compare with.
If all the 'HYPE' is true, Sato should be getting up there with the boys(depending on how the EJ12 next year is gonna be) after the 5 or 6th race maybe...

[ludlum]

Originally posted by marglar





His new son David must have been some kind of PR stunt then.

No way

[chester316]

Originally posted by marglar





His new son David must have been some kind of PR stunt then.

Yeah i heard it was really Micheals kid ;)

[MattB]

Car and Driver actually pays money to Brock Yates to write for them. Any publication that pays Yates to write for them can't be taken seriously. I don't know who wrote the article, but Car and Driver is a rag and they have never had articles worth reading. The magazine is an utter embarassment to journalist everywhere.

[Todd]

MattB,

They aren't perfect, but they are hardly a discredit to their profession. :lol:

[Manson]

I was bitching to a buddy about how crappy Road&Tracks racing coverage was and his responce was, "you reley on Road&Track for your racing news?". So, the moral of the story is, there are much better "racing" magazines and papers out there, stick to them if you want facts. If you want entertainment, read Car and Driver etc. etc. Too much media these days is all sensationalism. Please, just the facts mame.

[KenC]

Lemme guess....Jerry Garrett wrote the article? He's written some biased lame articles before, that one can only shake one's head at!

[AlesiGOD]

Originally posted by clickhappy


Ralf: "Winning the CART Championship is winning nothing. Anybody can win races there. Even Juan Pablo can win races there and he was only good enough to be William's test drive over here."

Alex: "What do you mean? Juan Pablo is a very good driver."

Ralf: "Juan Pablo is no good at all. He is very average."

[ARing]

What issue is the article in??

I have checked both Oct. and Nov. on the Web and cannot find it. Is Dec out at the newstands?

[confucius]

Originally posted by marglar


His new son David must have been some kind of PR stunt then.

Either that or the 2nd immaculate conception. What a joke that articles appears to be. I doubt Ralf would have a discussion like that with Alex, as it totally diminishes and belittles his CART achievements. And a driver's sexual preference is almost as redundant as how attractive/unattractive Mika's wife is.

[TheDestroyer]

Has no one learned not to fully trust the magazine and newspaper sports reporters? The only way these guys continue to make money is by maintaining and improving subscribership - the only way to do that is to sensationalize whenever possible...

Unless I see it being said on tv by the implicated person I don't believe it...

[vtpachyderm]

Aring - I think it is in the latest issue...Dec? The one with the new Lamborghini on the cover. I haven't seen it on the Newstands as yet. Also, their website doesn't usually put up the articles from the mag or so I seem to remember.

The article is written more like an opinion rather than facts and is totally negative. The writer obviously has something against the schumacher brothers. Very poorly done.

Thought I might also mention that in the same issue, there is a blurb on Harley coming out with a Michael Schumacher special edition Hog for $70,000. No pics or anything, so I don't have any other details.

[Ali_G]

Click: WHat in god did the fool say that lead to your impression that he was accusing Ralf of being gay.

Niall

[vtpachyderm]

Originally posted by Ali_G
WHat in god did the fool say that lead to your impression that he was accusing Ralf of being gay.

Here's the paragraph that does allude to it. It then goes on to mention his marriage to Cora, and also mentions the whole affair about her photo spread and what this may do to their relationship.

From Car and Driver
'Personally, the batchelor Ralf seemed to distance himself from the F1-circus. Immediately after a race or test session, he would disappear to his boat anchored at some undisclosed location. "He was always on his boat" Zanardi concurred. "And why not, he was enjoying life. He was a single guy who didn't show much interest in girls at the time".

Ralf curiously cloistered personal life - even by F1 standards - attracted the interest of British Tabloids, which claimed he was gay. The rumor mill was stoked by confessions to the British tabloids by a supermodel named Jordan, who claimed she took Ralf to bed but he refused to make love to her.

In between sniggering and averting his eyes from the questioner, Zanardi refused to confirm Ralf's sexual orientation, "Well, its not my business, quite frankly. I never used my charm to kind of verify whether he was one way or the other". More laughing. Pressed, Zanardi would only add, "The British press always has something to say. They can be very nice to you. Or they can be real bastards."

Unprofessional, undeserved Ralf bashing if you ask me. btw. this interview was done before Zanardi's crash.

[Todd]

I'm surprised that they would practice gay baiting. If any regular readers are here, they will probably remember that Don Schroeder was killed in a C&D top speed test of a Mercedes in the last 2 years. He was a valued member of the C&D editorial family and he was openly a Democrat, even living with his 'life partner.' Too bad they printed such sophomoric crap.

[GasPed]

I know you probably didn't mean to, Todd, but your post seems to equate being a Democrat with being gay. And in the interests of being politically correct (in more ways than one!), I will resist the urge and not comment any further.;)

[ARing]

Who is the author of the article?

Dec issue is not yet posted on the web, but back issues have all the articles on line throught November as of yesterday.

I used to subscribe to C&D and this does not surprise me. This type of article is one of the reasons I quit subscribing. Car reviews and comparison tests were good, but the rest of the magazine became annoying. However, I have to admit, I am dying to read what the author had to say.

Bizzare that there first article on F1 in ages would focus on this type of stuff.

ARing

[clickhappy]

They do two or so large(ish) articles about F1 each year...

Originally posted by ARing
Who is the author of the article?

Dec issue is not yet posted on the web, but back issues have all the articles on line throught November as of yesterday.

I used to subscribe to C&D and this does not surprise me. This type of article is one of the reasons I quit subscribing. Car reviews and comparison tests were good, but the rest of the magazine became annoying. However, I have to admit, I am dying to read what the author had to say.

Bizzare that there first article on F1 in ages would focus on this type of stuff.

ARing

[Gudrun]

[EVL29]

Originally posted by marglar





His new son David must have been some kind of PR stunt then.

Not that I know what Ralfie's Orientation is,but being married and/or fathering children doesn't necessarily make one straight.After all,Judy Garland and Vincente Minelli managed to have what...3(?) kids together?

And then there's the whole Agassi/Graf thing.

[vtpachyderm]

Originally posted by ARing
Who is the author of the article?

The author is Jerry Garrett and the title of the article is "Brother against Brother".

[No27]

The rumor mill was stoked by confessions to the British tabloids by a supermodel named Jordan, who claimed she took Ralf to bed but he refused to make love to her.

A few reasons for not screwing Jordan, homosexuality not included.

- Ralf wanted to save his virginity for marriage.
- Jordan didn't have condoms.
- Jordan had bad breath.
- Jordan is transsexual.
- Ralf was suffering a headache.
- Ralf was suffering impotency due to being drunk.
- Ralf was suffering impotency on a regular basis.
- Ralf doesn't like sex, makes him warm and sweaty.
- Ralf had to get up early in the morning for another date.
- Ralf had had his fair share allready that day.

[Nikolas Garth]

Originally posted by GasPed
I know you probably didn't mean to, Todd, but your post seems to equate being a Democrat with being gay.

I wouldn't bet on that. ;)

[SlateGray]

Originally posted by Todd
He was a valued member of the C&D editorial family and he was openly a Democrat

Are there closet Democrats?;)

[ludlum]

Originally posted by EVL29




Not that I know what Ralfie's Orientation is,but being married and/or fathering children doesn't necessarily make one straight.After all,Judy Garland and Vincente Minelli managed to have what...3(?) kids together?

And then there's the whole Agassi/Graf thing.

what abt agassi and graf ?

[EVL29]

ludlum wrote...

"what abt agassi and graf ?"



Can you say Beard/Merkin deal?

Agassi learned the hard way with Brooke Shields that marrying a Het is a bad way to protect his image(his cartoonish Machismo act).Straights always get bored(i.e. Tom and Nicole),so marry someone who's also "family" and your problems are Solved(in theory anyway).

The Garland/Minelli marriage didn't last.I seriously doubt the Graf/Agassi will either.She Really wanted kids,but probably didn't want the Tabloid Treatment(i.e. Jodie Foster)so she got together with someone who also had a Secret to keep.Why they feel a need to keep such secrets in this day and age is beyond me,or at least why SHE would is beyond me,but he's looking out for his endorsement deals(NIKE=10$ Million+ a year).

To be honest,I don't care who is Gay and who is Straight.While I admit I don't like Ralf,it's because I'm a Montoya fan:D .









Man I'm probably going to get banned for this post aren't I?

[Andre]

So the author of the article was trying to denigrate Ralf's imagine just implying he's gay. Haha! Probably some redneck with some strong religious convictions will think gay people will burn in hell and will start to hate a driver for being gay, but I think or, at least, I would like to think we're a little more evolved than that. So what, he's gay( or not gay)? At least for me, that doesn't make Ralf a better or worse person. I admitt I'm not a Ralf fan, but it has nothing to do with his sexual orientation,

[Chrissy Boy]

Originally posted by clickhappy
Ralf: "Winning the CART Championship is winning nothing. Anybody can win races there. Even Juan Pablo can win races there and he was only good enough to be William's test drive over here."

Alex: "What do you mean? Juan Pablo is a very good driver."

Ralf: "Juan Pablo is no good at all. He is very average."

Oh.. Ralf you would be mutch better of if you just shut your hole!

Soon there will be an additional thread on Ralf as the one on Jos.

Ralf, please go away!