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[RaggedEdge]

I am following with interest how Lewis Hamilton (McLaren protegee, who was racing karts with M. Schumacher in Kerpen two weeks ago) will do in Formula Renault winter series.

The first race does not look too promising:

Grid:

13 Katherine LEGGE + 1.648 1:24.098

14 Lewis HAMILTON + 1.651 1:24.101

Result:

10 Katherine LEGGE 16.520 8:46.450

15 Lewis HAMILTON 18.974 8:48.904

Go Katherine (whoever she is?).
http://www.mst-group.co.uk

Lewis is driving for Manor, which does not make this look too good.

[RaggedEdge]

Reasonable stats for Katherine:

http://www.katherine...co.uk/home.html

...making history the previous weekend by being the first female driver to take a pole position for a Formula Ford race at Brands Hatch...


...Katherine is getting closer to achieving her ambition of racing in Formula 1. She will undoubtedly be the first female F1 star of the future providing her management company can find the necessary sponsorship partners.

We'll see about that, I guess.

[BRG]

Originally posted by RaggedEdge
The first race does not look too promising

My god, lighten up will you? Hamilton has done ONE car race and already he has his first basher....good going even by AtlasF1 standards...

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by BRG
My god, lighten up will you? Hamilton has done ONE car race and already he has his first basher....good going even by AtlasF1 standards...

Don't get me wrong - I wish the guy all the best, but he has been hyped up too much. His kart season in 2001 was not great, and Manor is supposed to be world-beater in FRenault.

Lets hope he can recover. I am now actually more interested of how this Katherine will do.;)

[birdie]

Did you forget about the second race or did it just not fit in with your agenda? No results on MST (there was a stewards enquiry and now I'm told all the website staff are off to Macau so no updates) but my mother was there and the race was won by Robert Bell with Lewis Hamilton in fourth, from 10th on the grid. No idea where Legge finished.

Other pertinent points you neglected to mention:

Legge is by my estimate about 20 or 21 and has done at least season in cars. Hamilton is 16.

Race 1 was red flagged three times and was stopped after the third flag, with only 6 laps completed. Hardly something to draw conclusions from one way or another.

His kart season in 2001 was not great,

He beat his team mate, and scored most of his points when it was obvious the kart wasn't up to scratch, what more do you expect?

[birdie]

...Katherine is getting closer to achieving her ambition of racing in Formula 1. She will undoubtedly be the first female F1 star of the future providing her management company can find the necessary sponsorship partners.

She isn't as good as Susie Stoddart, that's where my money is.

[sennadog93]

This is no sudden hype mate. He's been seriously touted as a good driver for at least 6 years to my knowledge and at the end of the day it's his first time out in a car......give him a break.

[HSJ]

This might be a good time to remind everybody that AS was 5th in his first car race. KR? Well, naturally he was 3rd. (In FRenault, and it wasn't winter series either; take that Lewis!;) )

Hmmm... anybody think I'm obsessed? I do!

BTW, L. Hamilton is the guy that MS tipped as a future star after they karted together in Kerpen. MS sure seems to pick these losers: last year he praised JB. Look what happened! Though initially he praised KR, he then soured on him, naturally KR got a McLaren drive! Now he praised Lewis, so of course he flopped! (Okay, okay, I'm kidding here. )

[LeTurc]

MS showed before anyone else that Kimi is special. Soured ? Where?

[unrepentant lurker]

Originally posted by birdie
She isn't as good as Susie Stoddart, that's where my money is.

Hmmm, any relation to one Mr. Paul Stoddart?

[MacFan]

Originally posted by unrepentant lurker


Hmmm, any relation to one Mr. Paul Stoddart?

I think she's Paul's daughter?

[6Addict]

Women drivers... the perfect combination.
I hope women make it into F1 soon.

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by birdie
Did you forget about the second race or did it just not fit in with your agenda? No results on MST (there was a stewards enquiry and now I'm told all the website staff are off to Macau so no updates) but my mother was there and the race was won by Robert Bell with Lewis Hamilton in fourth, from 10th on the grid. No idea where Legge finished.

Other pertinent points you neglected to mention:

Legge is by my estimate about 20 or 21 and has done at least season in cars. Hamilton is 16.

Race 1 was red flagged three times and was stopped after the third flag, with only 6 laps completed. Hardly something to draw conclusions from one way or another.
He beat his team mate, and scored most of his points when it was obvious the kart wasn't up to scratch, what more do you expect?

Thanks for the info. As you said, there was no info on the second race in the web site. Can you point me to a some other link giving those results? 4th place certainly is progress in the second race, but as I said, Manor has produced series-winners for so long in FRenault, one would expect instant success with it.

About Hamilton's kart races I do not know much, but he did not figure in the Kerpen race with Schumacher, whileas Nico Rosberg was doing OK. Neither seemed to have any real results over the season, so maybe their kart was just awful.

[birdie]

I think she's Paul's daughter?

Nope, she is very definitely Scottish If she is it's a bloody big secret 'cos I've seen her dad and it ain't him

About Hamilton's kart races I do not know much, but he did not figure in the Kerpen race with Schumacher, whileas Nico Rosberg was doing OK. Neither seemed to have any real results over the season, so maybe their kart was just awful.

They reckon they've got the kart pretty good now, just as both drivers are going into cars ;), but they designed it from scratch about three weeks before the season started...

About the link: jeez, I just start taking a reasonable amount of notice of car racing, and its worse than bloody karting for finding results on the web. In fact I think I've been spoilt. I'm lookin too so I'll post when I find some results. (Would like to know about Jamie Green and Colin Brown)

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by birdie
Nope, she is very definitely Scottish If she is it's a bloody big secret 'cos I've seen her dad and it ain't him They reckon they've got the kart pretty good now, just as both drivers are going into cars ;), but they designed it from scratch about three weeks before the season started...

About the link: jeez, I just start taking a reasonable amount of notice of car racing, and its worse than bloody karting for finding results on the web. In fact I think I've been spoilt. I'm lookin too so I'll post when I find some results. (Would like to know about Jamie Green and Colin Brown)

Thanks. You say Nico is also going to car racing - do you know to which series if not in FRenault? (Nico was not in the FRenault results).

Pretty stupid of McLaren to allow them to race with pathetic kart equipment - it has already hurt their reputation. Being just backmarkers is not good for "future champions", IMHO, whatever the excuse.

[birdie]

Was a complicated situation, and you can't change brands halfway through the year. Pretty sure they were the top team out of those new to the formula, and whoever's the parent company you don't go into FSA and win straight away over teams with 35 years experience. Assuming this, is it better to keep your reputation completely safe and risk your drivers missing out on fairly vital experience, or to take a risk? Certainly weren't backmarkers, being 9th in the teams championship out of 21 and 15th and 16th in the drivers championship (out of 42)

My brother phoned me and said someone was doing Formula BMW in Germany, but unfortunately I was half asleep and cannot remember whether it was Nico Rosberg or Christian Bakkerud ;) I know it was in Autosport or MN if you're in the UK.

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by birdie
Was a complicated situation, and you can't change brands halfway through the year. Pretty sure they were the top team out of those new to the formula, and whoever's the parent company you don't go into FSA and win straight away over teams with 35 years experience. Assuming this, is it better to keep your reputation completely safe and risk your drivers missing out on fairly vital experience, or to take a risk? Certainly weren't backmarkers, being 9th in the teams championship out of 21 and 15th and 16th in the drivers championship (out of 42)

My brother phoned me and said someone was doing Formula BMW in Germany, but unfortunately I was half asleep and cannot remember whether it was Nico Rosberg or Christian Bakkerud ;) I know it was in Autosport or MN if you're in the UK.

Yeah, I live in the UK. I subscribe to Autosport, as well. I am not that interested though about junior drivers, but there seems to be a good window for new entrants to make it to F1, after a long while. It is more interesting to see them perform, when one has formed some kind of opinion of them already when they were in junior categories.

[birdie]

It is more interesting to see them perform, when one has formed some kind of opinion of them already when they were in junior categories.

Definitely agree there

[Dudley]

Nope, she is very definitely Scottish If she is it's a bloody big secret 'cos I've seen her dad and it ain't him

Shame, that'd be the Minardi F1 place filled in 2002

[MacFan]

Originally posted by birdie
Nope, she is very definitely Scottish If she is it's a bloody big secret 'cos I've seen her dad and it ain't him

Oops, my bad - I was thinking of Bill Stoddart, not the Minardi boss.

[FlagMan]

HSJ -
This might be a good time to remind everybody that AS was 5th in his first car race. KR? Well, naturally he was 3rd. (In FRenault, and it wasn't winter series either; take that Lewis! )

I think you should check your facts on this...

IIRC - Kimi did a part season in the 1999 UK FF series but didn't live up to his own expectations and quite - I think the team manager said somethink about 'dummies and prams...'

At this rate Atlas members will soon be writing drivers off before they are even conceived

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by FlagMan
HSJ -

IIRC - Kimi did a part season in the 1999 UK FF series but didn't live up to his own expectations

True. However, in 1999 the equipment in FRenault was not standardised. At the end of the year, he joined Manor Motorsport for the Winter Series (like Hamilton now), to see how the world looked from the other side:

FRS Winter Series

The series comprise's 4 races held over two weekends from the end of October/beginning of November. There are three classes for Formula Renault Sport, Star Cup and BARC Formula Renault specification cars. The BARC cars are allowed to run without restrictor and free gear ratios.

The 1998 series saw the Manor Motorsport team of Antonio Pizzonia and Rob Austin take 1st and 2nd, with 1999 team member Peter Nilsson finishing 5th of the 29 entrants.

Kimi Raikkonen showed a clean pair of heels to all others in the first weekend racing for the FRS Winter Series at Donnington. The fast Fin won the first race from pole position by over eight seconds in wet conditions. Day two, Sunday saw conditions improve slightly, but the team decided to run on wets, and our future star raced away to win by over 14secs. This time.

Kimi Raikkonen was our number one driver for the series, and proved his talent by winning all four races, to take the series with maximum points. The first weekend was very wet, but the young Fin had no trouble coping with the British weather.

Three things:
1) Manor in 1999 was the Ferrari of the series, nobody else had any chance against it, when the equipment was not standardised.
2) In 1999 F Renault, Pizzonia was unbeatable (also for Kimi in non-Manor car). Similarly, in the winter series, Kimi was unbeatable.
3) In 2000 onwards, Manor has had standard equipment with the rest of the field, producing much more closer racing. Kimi won in 2000, but Manor failed to repeat that in 2001, and seem to have now trouble also in the Winter Series:

Change for the Best

The cost of motor racing, especially in the junior formulas, is always at the forefront of drivers, teams and organisers. The best news to come late last year was from Renault who decided to change the highly successful Formula Renault Sport Championship into a single chassis category. The contract to build the cars has gone to the Milan-based Tatuus, who with Manor Motorsport have won the FRS title for the past four years. To compound this Renault have hit back at rivals by producing the most advanced single seater below F3, the carbon fibre tubbed FR2000.

The state-of-the-art chassis is constructed using 1.5mm thick carbon fibre skins either side of 20mm thick aluminium honeycomb core. This makes for tremendous stiffness and strength. Italian firm ATR will construct the chassis, as it does for Ferrari, Minardi and Dallara, to the CAD designs produced at the Tatuus studio.

source: http://www.manormoto...m/manor/frs.htm

[The Mourning Anchor]

At this point it isn't that important that Hamilton blow everyone into the pit lane. It is really more important that he learn from the many things he no doubt will do wrong and keep progressing in applying what he learns.

Besides, as an African-american, I tend to take the same attitude toward Lewis Hamilton's probable move(s) up the racing career ladder what my parents and grandparents used to say here of Jackie Robinson:

It isn't as important that he is good enough just as long as he turns out to be man enough.

Jackie wasn't the best, just the first. For me, the idea here is not for Lewis to be the best, just to do what he can to make sure that he isn't the last.

Hell, my goal here - in fact - is to find the kid around here who can look at Hamilton at his best and say

Aw, sh#t, that's nothing. I can do better than that.

That, Lady and Gentlemen, is the core idea in any field of competitive human endeavour, I should think.

The Mourning Anchor
Washington DC

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[BRG]

Originally posted by The Mourning Anchor
as an African-american

I hope that young Lewis won't be a disappointment to you. He is a sort of Anglo-Afro-Caribbean mix and I doubt if most people here in the UK would even look twice at him ethnically - he's just another young kid. I don't know if he will qualify as a "brother" or whatever it is that you are hoping for. I just wish him well as an individual and don't want to load him up with any additional burden of expectations. But I agree that it is well overdue that international motorsport to start to encompass all of humanity, not just us Caucasians.

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by BRG
I hope that young Lewis won't be a disappointment to you. He is a sort of Anglo-Afro-Caribbean mix and I doubt if most people here in the UK would even look twice at him ethnically - he's just another young kid. I don't know if he will qualify as a "brother" or whatever it is that you are hoping for. I just wish him well as an individual and don't want to load him up with any additional burden of expectations. But I agree that it is well overdue that international motorsport to start to encompass all of humanity, not just us Caucasians.

That is a good point. In fact very much like Tiger Woods, I guess.

[RV_Canada]

Is Katherine Legge cute? I find Sarah Fisher attractive.

[birdie]

I wouldn't get in a fight with her but I dunno 'bout cute

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by birdie
I wouldn't get in a fight with her but I dunno 'bout cute

I tend to agree, but see for yourselves:

http://www.katherine...co.uk/home.html

[RaggedEdge]

Hamilton and Rosberg did not exactly kick butt in the Kart championship, but birdie's observation about their kart being good only in the end of the season seems to be very much true. There are a lot of zeroes there until the last two races of the year:

15 Hamilton Lewis (GB) MBM Parolin/Parilla/BS 0 0 0 2 0 8 0 0 9 9 28
16 Rosberg Nico (FI) MBM Parolin/Parilla/BS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 16 27
21 Schumacher Michael (DE) Tony Kart Srl Tony/Vortex/BS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 20

At least they can try to claim that "... but we beat Michael in the championship"....

[RaggedEdge]

Originally posted by The Mourning Anchor

Besides, as an African-american, I tend to take the same attitude toward Lewis Hamilton's probable move(s) up the racing career ladder what my parents and grandparents used to say here of Jackie Robinson:

Here is a link for those who wonder what Lewis Hamilton may look like:

http://www.lewis-ham....uk/photos.html

[RV_Canada]

Originally posted by RaggedEdge

I tend to agree, but see for yourselves:

http://www.katherine...co.uk/home.html

She's not bad in an 80's-hairstyle-parted-down-the-middle kinda way.

[The Mourning Anchor]

Katherine isn't bad-looking. Neither is Sarah Fisher, for that matter. And I go back far enough to remember Lela Lombardi and Hannelore Wagner.

BTW, I have yet to find any photos of Susie Stoddart.

Oh! To R-V Canada and RaggedEdge: you make good points. I am not investing that much 'racial emotion' in Lewis. (And, I have seen what he looks like.)

As I said, I hope to be able to 'hang him on the wall' here. All those inner-city African-american kids out on the golf courses (and the girls on the tennis courts) are out there because they think they belong, not necessarily because they over-identify with Tiger, Venus or Serena. I suspec the same thing will happen with Lewis Hamilton, if he gets far enough up the ladder.

Someone has to be First. . .

TMA
DC

[LB]

Susie Stoddart pic
http://www.teamworks...bout/women.html

btw she is from Oban in Scotland ( close to me)

[stevew]

Kathy, you go girl!

[The Mourning Anchor]

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