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[anjakub]

Hi all,

Can anyone help me. I'm looking for the information about two pre-war italian drivers. They took part in the 1933 Lwow Grand Prix.
The first is Guido Landi (raced Maserati 8C-1100), and the second is lady driver (first name?) Orsini (raced Masarati 4CM-1500).

Thanks
Andrzej

[Hans Etzrodt]

All I can find is a brief report in AZ-Motorwelt (Brno) 1933, No. 8, pg. 6. and MOTOR und SPORT 1933, No. 25, pg. 28
It says that the race went over 100 laps of the 3 km circuit and during the event it rained continuously. The total participation saw 18 drivers, including 3 ladies. The 1500 cc class had some good entries and a 'battle' for the lead.
1. Veyron at 78.5 km/h
2. Burggaller
3. Landi (Maserati) at 77 km/h
DNF. Simons, 81 laps (shift lever broken)
The large class was won by
1. Bergroem (Alfa Romeo) at 82.7 km/h
2. Balestrero (Alfa Romeo at 81.8 km/h

About the drivers in question, I could only find a picture of the Countess Vittoria Orsini, who entered with a Maserati 26 at this "Loepoli Gran Prix" on 11 June 1933 in MASERATI a complete history by Luigi Orsini/Franco Zagari, pg. 246

[David McKinney]

"Bergroem" was actually the noted Norwegian driver Eugen Bjørnstadt

[Marcel Schot]

http://homepage.mac....InPoland01.html has a little too:

<1500cc:
1.Yeyron (France, Bugatti) 78.05 kmh 3.52'44" 100 laps
2.Burggaller (Germany, Bugatti) 77.95 kmh 3.54'02"

>1500cc:
1.Bjørnstad (Norway, Alfa-Romeo) 82.78 kmh 3.40'28" 100 laps
2.Balestrero (Italy, Alfa-Romeo) 81.50 kmh 3.43'53"

The Grand Prix carries different names in different languages btw : Lwow / Lvov / Lemberg / Leopoli

Additionally http://home.t-online...dler/sport2.htm puts P.Widengren 3rd in the >1500cc category.

About the Maserati 8C 1100, http://www.maserati....po26C_spec.html makes mention of only 4 produced, so there's not too much digging around to do for that one ;) Don maybe?

[David McKinney]

I'm petty sure Landi's Maserati was a 4C, not an 8C. Not sure which model Countess Orsini had though.
Although only four 8C-1100s may have been sold in that spec, there was a lot of shuffling of engines and chassis in those days. Some 1100 owners graduated to higher classes by fitting bigger engines, and there's no reason to believe that swaps didn't go the other way as well.

[anjakub]

Hans, David and Marcel
thank you very much

I’m preparing a complete history of the Lwow Grand Prix, and I search for everything about this race.
Such things like photos with start numbers and reports interested me, because I try reconstruction the last race (lap by lap).

Of course I know the results of the 1933 Lwow Grand Prix but...
1. Polish sources like Auto, Wiadomosci Klubowe MKA and daily papers said that Renato Balestrero was disqualified after the race. Per Viktor Widengreen was second.
2. Papers said that Guido Landi used Maserati with the 8 cylinders, 1100cc engine. It made a little sensation.

Andrzej

[Boniver]

anjakub,

Have you the results of the 1933 Lwow GP ?

we have only the top tree.........of the >1500 en

[anjakub]

III Miêdzynarodowe Okrê¿ne Wyœcigi Automobilowe, Grand Prix Lwowa
(3rd International Circuit Automobile Race, Lwow Grand Prix)

Lwow, 11 June 1933
Lap distance: 3,041 km
Race distance: 100 laps = 304,100 km
Start in two groups: classes > 1500 cc and <1500 (with 1 minute delay), each was counted separately
Race start at 14:30 PM

Race Class > 1500 cc:
1. Eugen Björnstad (Norway, Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza) 3:40.28,0 = 82,750 km/h
2. Per-Viktor Widengreen (Sweden, Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza) 3:44.25,2

Fastest lap: Eugen Björnstad 2.06,210 = 86,741 km/h

Retirements:
Karl Alfred Ebb (Finland, Mercedes-Benz SSK) 20 laps - engine/radiator
Roger Morand (France, Bugatti 35B) 23 laps - engine
Walter Wustrow (Austria, Bugatti 35B) 32 laps - engine
Jan Kubicek (Czechoslovakia, Bugatti 35B) 38 laps - ?
Georges Nadu (Romania, Bugatti 35B) 89 laps - ?

Disqualified:
Renato Balestrero (Italy, Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza) (second position, time 3.43.53.3) – do not accept order of the refuelling point director

Leads:
1 - 34: Björnstad
35 - 74: Widengreen
75 - 100: Björnstad

Also entered:
Laszlo Hartmann (Hungary, Bugatti 35B), DNS after a crash in practice.
Edward Zawidowski (Poland, Bugatti 35B), was not able to take part because of influenza

Race Class < 1500 cc:
1. Pierre Veyron (France, Bugatti 51A) 3:52.44.1 = 78,05 km/h
2. Ernst Burgaller (Germany, Bugatti 51A) 3:54.02.0
3. Guido Landi (Italy, Maserati 26C) 3:55.36,4
4. Jan Ripper (Poland, Bugatti 37A) 4:04.26,4

Not classified:
Anne Rose Itier (France, Bugatti 51A) 99 laps
Maria Kozmian (Poland, Bugatti 37) 93 laps

Fastest lap: ? Veyron

Retirerements:
Vittoria Orsini (Italy, Maserati 4CM-1500) 7 laps - withdrawn (tired: long travel to Poland)
Hans Rüesch (Switzerland, Bugatti 51A) 45 laps - ?
Stanislaw Holuj (Poland, Bugatti 37A) 53 laps - brake
Ernst Simons (Luxemburg, Bugatti ?) 78 laps - shift lever broken

Leads:
1 - 100: Veyron

Also entered:
Bruno Sojka (Czechoslovakia, Bugatti 37A), DNS illness

[Hans Etzrodt]

Andrzej,
Thank you.

[Boniver]

Andrzej,
Thank you.

[Boniver]

Orsini
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no info after 1933 see

http://www.kolumbus....lman/d4.htm#LAM


before 1933

no info


Guido Landi (It)
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no familie of Chico Landi
work in Bologna

race not before 1933

buying in 1933 the ex works Maserati 4 cyl 1097 cc from Ernesto Maserati

race with this care (witch a handicap of 400 cc) in one importet race = GP Lowen

won in 1933 the 1100 cc classe of the Gaisbergrennen with this care

no importet race in 1934

[anjakub]

Thank you Boniver
Maybe for Countess Orsini the Lwow GP was only one race in her live.

[David McKinney]

No, I've got another event for her - I'll look it up later

[Rob29]

Vittoria Orsini-5 more events found.
31.07.32-Coppa Ciano-retired
14.08.32-Coppa Arcerbo-10th
11.09.32-Circuit d'Antibes-4th
30.04.33-Circuito di Alessandria-10th
30.07.33-Coppa Ciano-retired

[Boniver]

anjakub,

Have you also the results of the 1930, 1931 and 1932 Lwow GP ?

we have only

for 1930 the top 5 and ..4 DNF.......
for 1931 the top 2
for 1932 the top 2


Pease can you help us........

[anjakub]

Boniver,

1930 Lwow Grand Prix look: http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=30641

1931 and 1932 I send later. Now I have a few days without internet (climbing in slovakian Tatra Mountains).

[anjakub]

Please, there are results of the 1931 Lwow Grand Prix

Miedzynarodowe Okrezne Wyscigi Automobilowe o Nagrode m. Lwowa
(International Circuit Automobile Race for the Prize of the City Lwow)

Lwow, 7 June1931
Lap distance: 3,041 km
Race distance: 50 laps = 152,050 km

Race:
1. Hans Stuck (Austria, Mercedes-Benz SSK) 1:56.45,950 = 78,131 km/h
2. Max Hardegg (Austria, Bugatti 35C) 1:58.56,465
3. Stanislaw Holuj (Poland, Bugatti 37A) 2:09.45,365
4. Adolf Szczyzycki (Czechoslovakia, Wikow 7/28) 48 laps

Fastest lap: Hans Stuck 2.10,4 = 83,954 km/h

Retirements:
Jan Ripper (Poland, Bugatti 35B) 1 lap - accident
Hubert Sachsel (Austria, Bugatti 35C) 2 laps - accident
Charley Jellen (Germany, Bugatti 35B) 2 laps - accident

Leads:
1: Hardegg
2-50: Stuck

[anjakub]

...and the results of the 1932 Lwow Grand Prix.

II Miedzynarodowe Okrezne Wyscigi Automobilowe, Grand Prix Lwowa
(2nd International Circuit Automobile Race, Lwow Grand Prix)

Lwow, 12 June 1932
Lap distane: 3,041 km
Race distance: 66 laps = 200,706 km
Start: race cars with sports cars (with 30 seconds delay)

Race:
1. Rudolf Caracciola (Germany, Alfa Romeo 8C-2300 Monza) 2:20.05,0 = 86,00 km/h
2. Albert Broschek (Germany, Mercedes-Benz SSK) 2:34.25,4
3. Laszlo Hartmann (Hungary, Bugatti 37 ?) 2:37.19,1
4. Jan Ripper (Poland, Bugatti 37A) 2:38.22,9
5. Stanislaw Holuj (Poland, Bugatti 37A) 2:38.29,0
6. Bruno Sojka (Czechoslovakia, Bugatti 37 ?) 2:42.24,0

Fastest lap: Rudolf Caracciola 2.02,865 = 89,102 km/h

Retirements:
Josef Stastny (Czechoslovakia, Bugatti 35B) 12 laps - accident
Hans Stuck (Austria, Mercedes-Benz SSK) 37 laps - engine

Leads:
1-66: Caracciola

[Boniver]

Thank you anjakub

great,

Boniver

[Earthling]

Ack! My ex-girlfriend from high school might be related cuz she is Italian, and named Maria Orsini! Too bad she had to go back to Italy.

Italy, Here i come!!!!!
maybe i'll buy a Masarati too!

[Rob29]

Originally posted by Earthling
Ack! My ex-girlfriend from high school might be related cuz she is Italian, and named Maria Orsini! Too bad she had to go back to Italy.

Italy, Here i come!!!!!
maybe i'll buy a Masarati too!

Does anyone know if Orsini is a common italian name? Is the L.Orsini who wrote the Maserati book also related to Vittoria?

[alessandro silva]

The Vittoria Orsini we are talking about is from a family from Rome of very ancient nobility. I do not know if L. Orsini is related. It is a quite common family name in Central Italy meaning "pertaining to bears". We had quite a few bears around here in the old days.