55 replies to this topic

[Bob Nomates]

When Schumacher joined Ferrari in 96, the Tifosi weren't to keen on him as I remeber but that all changed when he won the Italian gp.

Why was this?...do they still dislike him?....what made them get over Jerez 97 so quickly?, there was alot of support for him during the 98 italian gp.

[Peeko]

He wins, and that's all the Tifosi care about.

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Ron Dennis is a Wuss

[130R]

Remeber, Ferrari comes first with true Tifosi - the driver could be anyone. Although their love for Gilles is still evident at Monza. The Tifosi were livid when MS nailed JV in Jerez. Why? Because he defamed Ferrari.

[This message has been edited by 130R (edited 03-31-2000).]

[The Swerve]

...because he has no idea/doesn't care about the history or prestige of Ferrari. Just another racing car to him.

Ferrari is more Team Schumacher now, the cars aren't even the same colour.

[This message has been edited by The Swerve (edited 03-31-2000).]

[FerrariFanInTexas]

I think Swerve and 130R are on the right track.

As a likely member of the tifosi (can you be a tifosi and not live in Italy?), I like whoever drives for Ferrari. I may have hated them before they joined the Team, and will likely hate them once they leave the Team, they are my favorites while with the Team. But sometimes it takes a little while to get out of the old habit. I still thought Mansell was a stuck up prig when he went to Ferrari, but came to love him after a few races.

Similarly, Schumacher expressed some very poignant emotions after winning in Italy. As I recall he even noted that he didn't have any idea how different it would be to win a race at Monza when you drive for Ferrari. Basically he made peace with the tifosi by noting how special his win was, and how he now appreciated the history, fans, and mystique of Ferrari.

[mono-posto]

Yes, I think that Schumacher has been caught in the spiders web of Ferrari's mystique and passion, just like so many of us loyal fans.

I think he is now truly dedicated to Ferrari.
He is in love with Ferrari.

He IS tifosi.
Living out the dreams of thousands of us.

However, I would also say that if Michaels passion and understanding about where he is at Ferrari is great, than Rubens is 10 times so.

His love for the cavalino rampante started the same way as mine. With the thundering sound of a lone lampredi V-12 blasting through the neighborhood streets.

It has never been the same for me since.

[Bruce]

Yes, "sniff" his love of the Scuderia's history and heritage is so great that when he and EI finished 1-2 in France in 1998, MS was moved in the press confrence to say "I don't if Ferrari have ever had a 1-2 before!"

Yes. There speaks a man steeped in the history of Maranello, a man for whom the history of Ferrari is of great import. A man who.... well you get the idea.

[!!ManumissioN!!]

Schumacher must have some feeling for Ferrari. This is made evident from the fact that he was offered a place at McLaren for what I believe was an equivalent salary and yet turned it down.
I think it has become near obsession with him to win the WDC for Ferrari ... when/if it finally comes as I hope it will this year, it`ll be sweeter than any of his other titles.

[mono-posto]

Bruce,

Does it turn you on to just mope around and put other people down?
Does dissing anyone who posts an opinion that is not your get you hard?
Or do have such a lack of respect for yourself that you feel the need to elevate your pitiful existence by attacking others including people you have never met such as Formula 1 drivers?

What is you motivation?

[Peeko]

Mono, If you knew his taste in music, you'd understand.

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Ron Dennis is a Wuss

[The RedBaron]

I think you got it in one Mono-posto, Bruce has been like that since day 1. Its quite sad to have such negative emotions....but i guess thats the make up of a someone's persona. Question is whther that carries through into everyday life as well !

[magnum]

No: firstly to the comment that whoever wins for Ferrari is good for the tifosi - Prost suggests otherwise.

No: Schumacher has left a bitter taste in the mouth of SOME hardcore (in the most pleasant way) tifosi - like me, for instance. His ignorance of the team, his insistance on making that team his "own" as if this was some Benetton, is a sickening exploitation of his own - percieved - greatness. And trying to "off" Gilles' son was not a good idea.

No: A man who, after 5 years in an Italian team, is incapable of carrying out a conversation in Italian is not steeped into anything but how own agenda - he has brought with him into the team all his cronies for that very reason. This is an UGLY thing, and a thing that Ferrari will feel when he leaves.

No: There is no evidence that directly supports the claim that he was offered more or equivalent money from McLAren - further, he realised that Ferrari's tide is turning for the good (again) - he will take advantage of the Cavallino's rampant state for all it is worth. Ferrari has made him into not only an international superstar, but a very wealthy one at that.

Further: he has drawn into the ferrari support mindless Schumi fans (not all ... but you get my point) who wish only to see Schumacher win. There is nothing more annoying that seeing a Schumacher fan with a ferrari emblem, as if they supported the team - when it is clear that 5 years ago they'd have been wearing Benetton colours. It is like inviting the enemy into your own home - they have no loyalty, and they do not understand what it actually means to be a tifoso. (I know, the violins are playing - but there you are - life is such ...)

In short, he is fine for some, not fine for others. Personally, I take joy - but not that much - in Ferrari winning with Schumacher. I would dearly love to see the WDC won by Ferrari, but at the same time, I find myself hoping that this year, or any Schumacher year, is not the one. To have to hear the claim that it was Schumacher that finally broke the drought from Schumacher fans for perpetuity is almost enough to make me weep. Because it will always be their claim that it was him, and not the car, that did it. When for me, it was Ferrari that gave him a shot at a third championship.

Also, I think his chin annoys me ... and that f'ing poodle of his ... and his kiddies and his wife and his - arghhhhh ...

[Bruce]

Mono - I'm not the one who made the statement. MS was. Don't shoot the messanger.

Now if you want to believe that MS actually cares about Ferrari's heritage, feel free. However, I simply point out that his own unforgivable ignorance of something that basic suggests that he knows bugger all about Ferrari, and as he had been there three years at that point, he certainly had the time to take a quick look if her were so inclined...

But if you prefer....

tra-la-la, isn't MS wonderful, doesn't he love Ferrari? I understand he can recite all their wins backwards and forward again... if Ferrari didn't pay him he'd jolly well race for them anyway, simply for the love of the red cars and his own beloved tifosi... in fact when he does finally win the WDC for them, I expect he'll deflect all the praise from himself and heap it on the team, while giving a tearful speech honouring those former Ferrari aces who died in the pursuit of the greatness that is thrust upon him...

Feel better?

[Bruce]

RedBaron. Refute my quote. Is it wrong?

Does it lack pertinence in regards to the thread?

Is it simply untrue?

No
No
and
No.

So what's the problem?

Why the personal attack?

Lastly, what is the negative emotion you credit me with? Honesty? Quoting a viable source? Not toeing the line ?

[mono-posto]

If you don't mind, I'll refute the quote.
This is direct from the Post Race press confrence following the 1998 French Grand Prix:

"I don't remember Ferrari's last 1-2 result, and as Eddie says it was about time we did it again."

That is a fair bit different than saying that Ferrari had never had a 1-2 untill then.

[Bruce]

Quote from Nigel Roebuck's "Chasing the Title"

For one who has spoken so many times of his reasons for being with the team, of the holy task before him, the desire to restore pride to Italian motor racing, to win the World Championship in a Ferrari, he appears to know little of the heritage of Maranello. At the 1998 French Grand Prix, he and Eddie Irvine finished first and second. "I don't know" he said "if Ferrari ever had a 1-2 before..."

Well yes Michael, as a matter of fact. Thirty-nine times in fact

Page 233. "Enzo Ferrari; His Terrible Joys" paragraph 2.

Please don't suggest that Roebuck misquoted or made the remark fit his agenda. He has 30 years in F1 as a reporter and is one of the most respected F1 journalists in the English language - probably THE most respected since the death of Jenkinson...

[magnum]

Mono-posto I beg to differ on your "official" statement made by Schumacher: the quote, as drawn from Nigel RTebuck in "Autosport" at the time, is, in fact, this -

"I don't know if Ferrari have ever had a 1-2 before ..."

As for V, while I do understand the general gist of your argument, in particular the fact that any person who rises to the top of their chosen field (and I do not only include sportspeople in this) must, by neccessity, have a "killer" instinct, to compare Senna's public persona with Schumacher's is tantamount to comparing Schumacher's talents with Diniz - not a fair comparison, and one that will cast negatively on the GErman (as the latter will Diniz).

Not only was Senna endowed with character to throw away (as was Fangio, who, according to Rob Walker, would always cause a lowering of conversation every time he came into a room - 40 years AFTER he'd last won a race in an F1 car), but his humanism and his understanding of his own unique position in a country like Brazil was a credit to him ... his Senna foundation today is still an important "ground-roots" organization.

Further to cast a slur, as you so magnanimously do under the auspices of "winners sin - so live with it" is patently untrue - Fangio, Moss, Lauda and others that you quoted (Clark amongst the rest) were never in any way involved in such practices that Schumacher was repsonsible for. Senna, on the other hand, was a different story - he's smashing into Prost at Suzuka was pretty unforgiveable but, to his credit, he stood up the year after and blamed the entire world for his act of madness - in such, he at least ADMITTED the fact that he did it on purpose. This does not forgive him - but, it elevates him, on a human level, far above Schumacher's skulking non-admission of guilt. And if you ever read the Senna interview at the Suzuka post-race the year AFTER, you'll see what it means to be human - gone was his public persona, and in was his paranoia, his bitterness and a whole host of crazy opinions - but this was a human being. Not the corporate robot that Schumacher is.

[magnum]

btw V i posted this here in connection with your post in the "other" schumi thread - too much trouble to go from one to the other since they're both directly linked.

[magnum]

Oh and Bruce, smooth move - we found the same quote ... i think that was a pinzer move of note

[mono-posto]

I got that quote from the official FIA transcript of the post race press conference.
You can go to www.fia.com and read it yourself.
It is also the same wording as the transcript of the confrence as found on www.motorsport.com which was posted the day of the race.
I think alot of people have mis-quoted Schumacher on this matter.

[silver fan]

The Tifosi are mindless fools...They don't appreciate when there on a good thing. Traditionally they have always blindly supported drivers like Gilles Villeneuve and Jean Alesi, overly emotional drivers who are to naive to win the championship. I've never liked Schumacher but I'll be the first to say that Ferrari and the Tifosi don't deserve him.

[Bruce]

Silverfan - them's fighting words.

Gilles Villeneuve had everything he needed to win a championship. In fact, many here agree with me when I posit that had he not been killed at Zolder, it is very likely that with the 1982 Ferrari, GV would have won it that year. Pironi would have won it had he not broken his legs, and as good as Pironi was, I don't think that anyone would put him on the same level as GV.

GV had the chance to win the 79 WDC. All he had to do was disobey team orders and pass Scheckter... to his everlasting credit HE DID NOT. If that is naivity or a case of him being over-emotional, give me more of it.

MS may work harder then GV ever did, he may be better technically (though I doubt it), and he is almost certainly better at handling the politics that come with F1. But in terms of sheer driver skill, Sorry mate, but GV had more of it in his left arm (note, I don't say pinky - ) then MS has in his whole body.

It is worth noting too, that by all accounts, Gilles was a thouroughly decent bloke. The tifosi supported Gilles (and still do) because to watch him drive made the hair stand up on the back of your neck and tears come to your eyes. The guy was simply magic. The only blindness on display here is yours, in your inability to see someone who, despite having the reputation as a daredevil, was one of the most talented, fair, and competitive drivers to grace an F1 car.

[silver fan]

Bruce,

All due respect, my arguement with regards to Villeneuve should not be seen as a slight on his ability behind the wheel, you would be hard pressed to find a more naturally gifted driver - past or present. However he was lacking in his "political Savvy" out of the car. He often portrayed the impression that F1 was just about racing cars on the track. This is where his teamate Pironi had him over a barrel. We saw a similar situation recently with Irvine and Barrichello, few would argue that Rubens is the better driver but buy the time Irvine was finished with him Rubens had the look of a dog that has just had the crap kicked out of it.

This I feel is probably what would have happened with Villeneuve and Pironi. Another one of those "what-if" arguements. Lets not forget as well that Villeneuve had a title winning car in '79 but while he was busily entertaining the crowds Jody Scheckter won the title... Natural talent in the car is essential, but you need to be a cold ruthless bastard out of it. Villeneuve as I stated ealier was just to naive.

[Rogue]

Bruce,

I had always thought that Schumcher was referring to if he and Irv had scored a 1-2 before with Ferrari - was that not the case ?
I wouldn't have thought that someone as intelligent as Schumacher obviously is (despite what ever flaws he may have) would not assume or question that Ferrari had not ever scored a 1-2 before.



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f-1@ihug.com.au

[Keith Steele]

Geez Bruce, there Michael sat glowing like Hercules from the accolades and you had to bring something like that up. Had I been drinking a beverage, I'd surely be wiping it off of my monitor now. Funny stuff. I am a tried and true Jacques Villeneuve fan. When I watch "Racing's Renagade," I am a bit put off by some of the cheesy skiing and ice skating parts. Some of the things he says, I disagree with. Yet, I'll defend his driving ability to the end. But I certainly don't view him as the luckiest man in the world. I like his ability, determination and sportsmanship. Do I wish I had his life? God no, I would'nt be married to my wife and have my son, along with all of the freedoms I have in comparison to he. I, like you, don't understand this ideal that Schumacher is an enviable person who never turns a steering wheel wrong, never farts or belches, and never puts the bowl to his mouth to drink the milk when the cereal is gone. Tons of talent, no doubt. But also very capable of making stupid comments like any of us. He has flaws guys. Hard to believe, I know.

[Indian Chief]

Swerve,

...because he has no idea/doesn't care about the history or prestige
of Ferrari. Just another racing car to him.

Then what about Villeneuve? He couldn't even pronounce his own team name. (Australia '96??)

[Nikolas Garth]

Ohh Brucey Baby, http://www.fia.com/h...election-a.html

Q. Congratulations, Michael, on your 30th career victory in F1. Seeing the welcome you had from your team, we don't need to be told what it means for Ferrari to have taken a 1-2 result today!
MS: It's great to have the thirtieth win, and obviously it's very important for the championship. I don't remember Ferrari's last 1-2 result, and as Eddie says it was about time we did it again. We have worked very hard over the last couple of months and I want to pay my compliments to the two groups who have contributed so much to this success. One of them is the Goodyear company, who worked so hard to develop the new tyre that we only tested for the first time last week. It wasn't easy to get it into production for this race and they all worked flat out to do it. The other reason for our success is that we made some good aerodynamic steps, and I want to thank the factory for that.

So is this the norm for your kind of research and reasoning???

Certainly seems that way, again.

[Nikolas Garth]

Rogue,
Beware the gayness that is the anti-Schumacher mentality, it is really, really dumb.

[Keith Steele]

NG are you implying that homosexuals are dumb? Or that homosexuality is a dumb thing to do? And is it first hand knowledge? Or is it a heard it through the grapevine kinda thing?

[Bruce]

Nikky boy, please refer to page 233 of "Chasing the title" by Nigel Roebuck. In fairness, Roebuck does not state that the quote come from the post race conference, he simply says at the 1998 French GP.

Given the choice to choose between the research and opinions of a known and respected F1 journalist and yorself, I know who I'll be choosing.

Once again - for your perusal;

For one who has spoken so many times of his reasons for being with the team, of the holy task before him, the desire to restore pride to Italian motor racing, to win the World Championship in a Ferrari, he appears to know little of the heritage of Maranello. At the 1998 French Grand Prix, he and Eddie Irvine finished first and second. "I don't know" he said "if Ferrari ever had a 1-2 before..."

Well yes Michael, as a matter of fact. Thirty-nine times in fact

The words of Nigel Roebuck. Of course, I guess that, Like Nige, you were at the French GP, taking quotes and interviewing all the drivers right?

[Peeko]

It doesn't make sense. If he says in the conference that he can't remember Ferrari's last 1-2 result, he obvioulsy knows that there was one. Just can't remeber when it last was.

If he wasn't sure if there ever was one, why wouldn't he just say it then? Unless, that shrewed Irvine set him up...

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[mono-posto]

Bruce,

Nigel Roebuck is indeed a very well educated and respected journalist. No doubt there. But why would you rely on an exerpt out of some book, that is apperantly flawed however slight, when you could go straight to the source of the information?

Here is the entire phrase:

"Q. Congratulations, Michael, on your 30th career victory in F1. Seeing the welcome you had from your team, we don't need to be told what it means for Ferrari to have taken a 1-2 result today!
MS: It's great to have the thirtieth win, and obviously it's very important for the championship. I don't remember Ferrari's last 1-2 result, and as Eddie says it was about time we did it again. We have worked very hard over the last couple of months and I want to pay my compliments to the two groups who have contributed so much to this success. One of them is the Goodyear company, who worked so hard to develop the new tyre that we only tested for the first time last week. It wasn't easy to get it into production for this race and they all worked flat out to do it. The other reason for our success is that we made some good aerodynamic steps, and I want to thank the factory for that. "

[Bruce]

I went to the book because that is where I read the comment. So in fact, I was going to "the source" as I knew it.

Lets look at this. In the post race conference, MS apparently says he doesn't know how long it's been since a Ferrari 1-2.

In his book (which is pulled from his columns) Roebuck quotes him as saying that he said he doesn't know IF Ferrari ever had a 1-2 before.

Read my earlier quotes - Roebuck quotes him. First. NR is not likely to make a mistake like assuming he said "did Ferrari ever? " when MS said "wonder when last?". Copiuous notes and recordings are used by journalists, and a journalist of Roebuck's calibre simply would not put words that a driver did not say in his mouth to make good copy or to make a point.

Second. This was in a book. By the time it made it to print, it would have been checked, rechecked and then checked again for accuracy. If MS did not say that, or even had he said something similar but different, it would have been edited. Roebuck can ill afford being sued for libel by the likes of Michael Schumacher.

Now, believe what you like. Your choice to assume that a respected journalist doesn't know what he's talking about (for that is what a misquote of this magnitude would imply) over the simple and more obvious liklihood that NR is quoting MS verbatim from some conference/interview/informal chat that may not be the same as the post race conference or that the telly and therefore you may not have been privy to, suggests to me that you will adhere to the the version that most fits your accepted and glowing view of MS.

What does Nigel Roebuck know, compared to the likes of us anyway, eh?

[mono-posto]

OK so maybe Nigel Roebuck got his quote SOMEWHERE. We don't know where though.
But because he, one journalist among many, pulls a quote out of somewhere it is to be viewed as gospel?

Even though it is contradictory to what Michael Schumacher ACTUALLY said just ten minutes after the race in a public forum in front of millions of viewers?

Am I to believe that he later met with Roebuck in private and told him "Oh I was wrong in the Press Conference. This was Ferrari's first 1-2 ever."?

You can not accuse some fans of never admiting to MS's errors, if you refuse to believe that yes, even the great and revered journalist, Nigel Roebuck, is himself human and can err because of it.

Are you so filled with hate towards Schumacher that you must continue to attack his credibility over such minor issues? It should become obvious to both yourself and Roebuck that, no, MS is NOT a complete idiot about Ferrari's history. So what? Big deal? Move on.

Man. I think you need to get laid or smoke a joint or something. Go on a vaction. Bermuda is great this time of year. Get out a little. It is OK to drop such a foolish issue.

[shakedown]

"MS may work harder then GV ever did, he may be better technically (though I doubt it),
and he is almost certainly better at handling the politics that come with F1. But in terms of sheer driver skill, Sorry mate, but GV had more of it in his left arm (note, I don't say pinky - ) then MS has in his whole body. It is worth noting too, that by all accounts, Gilles was a thouroughly decent bloke. The tifosi supported Gilles (and still do)because to watch him drive made the hair stand up on the back of your neck and tears come to your eyes. The guy was simply magic. The only blindness on display here is yours, in your inability to see someone who, despite having the reputation as a daredevil, was one of the most talented, fair, and competitive drivers to grace an F1 car."
BRUCE!!!
theres only one thing evident from this post, youre having one hell of a tough time trying to make comparisons between 2 Ferrari drivers of entirely different periods...I'm sorry although i have heard about the 'gr8ness' of Gilles i can only 'picture' him in an oil-on-canvas...I can never 'feel' his gr8ness that u so passionately are bullshitting about!!!...so dump it dude, if Michael Schumacher doesnt make ur hair stand and tears flow...then maybe ur "F12000 IMPOTENT"!!!!
"despite having the reputation as a daredevil, was one of the most talented, fair, and competitive drivers to grace an F1 car." Huh?
Grandpa?Huh?
Sorry dude in case u aint aware...F1 drivers of 2000 dont 'grace' cars..they F*****g rip the living daylites outta them!!
...and Michael is the best one in this form of art!;)

[Nikolas Garth]

Bruce,
Is someone using your password to make you look extra silly. Normally you are not this bad.

[kenny]

Shakedown
...you obviously never saw Gilles drive...if you did you wouldnt be making comments like that!!!

poor little boy...

[kenny]

Shakedown
...you obviously never saw Gilles drive...if you did you wouldnt be making comments like that!!!

poor little boy...

[shakedown]

Yeah Kenny I missed him.yeah.....So?
Whats the point?
U gonna say only Gilles deserved a Ferrari drive?
Fine....then what next?
Are u playin the "if" game?
Can Schumi & Gilles'ghost compete in the F12000?..can they?
...hey dude theres no point waking up the dead...play present willya
Talk Mika,JV and Schumi or if u cant face the facts of "Michael 2000" talk Ralfy,Fisi,Trulli...ok?

Surely your Grandad's knickers fitted him jus rite in 'his' time and urs r doin fine now in 2000!!!;)

[Bruce]

That's the best you guys can do?

Calling me F12000 impotent? Suggesting I need to get laid/puff a narcotic/take a holiday?

C'mon, if you really want to convince me of the merits of your arguments, why don't you go the whole 9 yards and call me a racist wife-beating child molestor?

Nik, you think that EVERYTHING I post is ludicrous, how could this possibly be worse?

But, to the point - Frank Williams has said of Roebuck

of his desire to recount events as he sees them and reproduce them accurately (italics mine) there has never been any doubt

However, no doubt, you guys are right, Nigel Roebuck and by extension FW are wrong. Those 2 obviously don't have the wealth of knowledge and credibility sported by Shakedown, Nik, Mono-posto or Peeko.

I'll leave you guys to sit in your tight little circle, exchanging supportive words laced with Italian (which MS wouldn't understand) and giving testemonials to the deep love that MS bears Ferrari, Italy and their linked histories, while you gaze at each other in starry eyed fashion whilst making little affirmitive noises to each other...

Once again, your point has been proved - Anything that does not flatter or paint MS the way you like is obviously a vile lie or a misquote.

[shakedown]

Bruce?
Is that the best YOU could do...
...bring in somebody who doesnt exist and swear that his left arm was better than someone who does exist and has been THE centre of all happenings good or bad since 1994 in F1?

Hey u only 'sound' F12000 'impotent', ur not.
Most 'fair'Schumi fans(like me!) would totally agree with u on ur initial post in selena's thread...but it really seems like good ol'Schuey has stirred up fond memories of Gilles in your xperienced head after all!

On my questioning u about Mika in another thread...u didnt respond...how come?
Is it bcoz u need another gr8 (Gilles) only to run down Michael....true?;)



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[magnum]

Bruce I think we can safely assume that dealing with Schumacher fans, as Shakedown (dude) so eloquently proves, is a total waste of time. I have no idea why you are even trying to defend yourself ... didn't you know there was no F1 before Schumacher? And didn't you know Gilles was a slow piece of **** with no talent - why are you questioning these facts? Schumacer's the best, dude - and whatever anyone says will, like, never change the fact that Schumacher made Ferrari and F1, dude - guys like Gilles are just irrelevant rubbish in the schumacher rollercoaster of triumph.

Live with it mate.

[shakedown]

"guys like Gilles are just irrelevant rubbish in the schumacher rollercoaster of triumph."...bcoz he never raced him magnum dude!!
U have no idea how good my 'upper-cut' is until u meet me dude?!!
theres no point in me xplaining how i can Kick-ur-ass coz its never gonna happen!too far apart!
sigh...

[shakedown]

"Gilles was a slow piece of **** with no talent "...never said it, sweet mag..er...what was it..er magnolia?

"there was no F1 before Schumacher?"
er...was there Bruce & er...magnet before Schumacher?

[magnum]

Shakedown, dude, your threats of domestic violence are, like, you know, dude, a bit much, doncha think? Dude?

[shakedown]

huh who ? me?
violence?
no way....magnesium..er..whatwasit ...damn
the point was please dont prove 'racing' merits with 'dudes' who dont xist in the same season...esp when its Michael...ok ok
i understand u can only think of Senna,Clark,Fangio,Gilles and that class of er..dudes, when u talk Schmacher but hmmm maybe u can xplain then why Mika didnt win without Newey and Schumi wins once atleast every season since 92.....huh mag...wheels?;)

[Bruce]

Shakedown - Sorry mate, I didn't think that your comment in the other thread merited a response.

dude.

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[The RedBaron]

pears with pears and apples with apples ;)

[shakedown]

well Bruce it looks like I'm the only one in this forum who can put an end to your continous 'anti-schumi' moaning...i see u prefer the 'dudes' who are blind towards MS' talent and those that fall for your out-of-context reasoning!!

"didnt merit a response"???
sour grapes?

[The RedBaron]

As far as the tifosi not liking MS, then read again. Look what fans worldwide have to say.....read and weep

From: "Mariana Sol Canda" <marianasol@movi.com.ar>
Subject: congratulations, Michael!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:17:12 -0300

I am very happy for brazilian´s grand prix. Sorry for my english but I
don´t speak very well, I am study.
In my family, we love Ferrari, Michael and Rubinho. We are very
happies.
I am sure this is the year of Ferrari and Michael.Good luck, Michael,
the Argentina love´s you.

Mariana Sol Canda

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From: simone.m@excite.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:40:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: wow!!!

Wow, what a race! Michael did as usual a great job, since that
accident last season. Two victories, one after the other, so I
think it's true, that Michael is the best of the rest! But I was sad
when Rubens was out, cause what can happen by the one, can
happen by the other, but it didn't!! I'm full of excitement for the
next race, I hope that Michael win again, but then with Rubens as
second, and Ralf third, just as in Australia, that was a dreamresult!
Michael good luck next race!
simone

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:00:30 -0800 (PST)
From: hema tanna <binvin@yahoo.com>
Subject: Michaels Brazilian GP.

I think that this was one of the best drives that
Schumi has driven in a veri long time to come. If he
goes on in this fashion then the championship is his
for the millenium year. He has taken the team Ferrari
from Marranello to its peak, with Reubens as his
support both trophies are in the bag for the prancing
horse. Schumi is after all the invincible driver in
formula 1 history. He can take a troubled car to the
checkered flag, is incredible and only Schumi can do
it.All the best for the rest of the seasons Schumi and
the prancing horse team from Maranello.

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From: "haytham tabesh" <htabesh@hotmail.com>
Subject: Schumi, F1 Master
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 07:07:30 PST

Two races, 20 points. What would all Micheal Fans want more??
After his win in Brazil, Micheal confirmed he is the F1 master. a
fantastic take off, over taking DC and putting pressure on Mika
Hakinen who couldn't see except red mirrors. Overtaking Hakinen
wasn't that difficult, Schumi's Ferrari was in very good shape.
The two pit-stop strategy was well carried out. The race had
enough suspense dosage for all the viewers. Baricheelo who also
put DC and afterwards Hakinen under pressure, made a good job,
I think that this pressure led Hakinen to park his car early as a
problem occurred.
Micheal schumacker proved he is the big-boss of the game, no
doubt a difficult circuit inj Brazil, but Schumi has got the right
setups and the team carried out the strategy perfectly, over all a
deserved win, 20/20 go ahead Micheal, e're waiting for more.

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From: hfoster@mncppc.state.md.us
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:56:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Brazil

I have one quickie (well, a quickie for me) about yesterday's
Brazilian GP.

I will be interested to see how the press handle Rubens'
retirement. Ferrari so far have been tight-lipped about what went
wrong and it is bound to fuel rumours, and some suspicions, that,
while Ferrari are paying lip service to Rubens being free to race
Michael, there may be an internal 'agenda' to keep Rubens far
enough in back of Michael to keep this conflict from ever arising
on the track. (Or keep it from arising until after Michael has
clinched the title this season.)

I do not BELIEVE this, mind you. But I 'smell' it in the air
already. I hope there are no more of these split results for Ferrari,
at least until Rubens has won his first GP.

Harold Foster
Washington DC

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:13:54 +0100
From: "Rachel Buckley" <Rachel.Buckley@diverseylever.com>
Subject: RE: Brazil 00

Hi There,

Congratulations to Michael and to Ferrari for winning the second
GP, keep up the amazing work.

What a fantastic race!!! Schuey was absolutely brilliant, he shone
above the rest! He started 3rd and within a lap and a half he was
1st! Cool!!

Only three and a half weeks and I'll be watching Schuey at
Silverstone, I just can't wait.

Off to San Marino next, Good luck Michael.

Love
Rachel
xx

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:42:03 +0200
From: "Paul Sampson" <Paul.Sampson@eskom.co.za>
Subject: Re: Schuey wins

I think the failure of the McLarens resulted in the victories of
Schumacher look easy in both races. By virtue of Hakkinen's car
troubles, we have not seen a head to head battle to the finish,
and I think Ferrari fans will be unpleasantly surprised by
McLarens performance. I am a Ferrari and Schumacher fan.
However, I still feel that Ferrari needs to work on their overall
package. I believe the McLaren is more refined. Schumacher
seems to try too hard to get the Pole Position, and that lends
weight to conclude that the Ferrari is not as easy to drive as the
McLaren. Nevertheless, a win is in the bag, but I would still be
wary of a strong McLaren comeback. Therefore I would like to
say to Ferrari, the game is not over until the Prancing Horse wins.

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:02:35 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Neelay Mehta <mehtanee@uni-freiburg.de>
Subject: Another Triumph!

What a brilliant strategy! It's been such a long time since I've
seen Michael have a really good start. Great agressive driving
by MS. I was amazed at how quickly he passed and dispatched
Hakkinen. Again, Rubens was quick, but he couldn't keep up
with his teammate. The Arrows cars are suprisingly quick, and
BMW has done an amazing job. Schumi is in the driver's seat
for the world title race. Just look at what the past Brazilian Grand

Neelay Mehta, <mehtanee@uni-freiburg.de>

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From: VictoriaPlum533@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:05:25 EST
Subject: Re: Billiant!

Fantastic! Brilliant! Of course I am referring to Michael's
winning of the Brazilian Grand Prix - he is superb - probably the
best ever! Not that I am prejudiced of course! I was sorry for
Rubens as it was his home Grand Prix and up until the time he
withdrew he had also been running a very good race, but Michael
was so cool and calm he really is the Master. I am so thrilled
for him - I really do hope this will be his year he deserves it so
much.

I have to say that I was also pleased to see young Jenson Button
get his first point as he is another who manages to stay cool
under fire. Hopefully a Star of the future in the making, but it is
early days yet.

Praise is also due to Ross Brawn who is so brilliant a tactician
and of course to Rory Byrne for designing yet another good car.

Well done Michael and Ferrari and keep up the good work!
I can hardly wait for Imola.

Best wishes to all Michael and Ferrari fans out there.

Victoria Plum.

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From: "J Lee" <delsol@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brasil
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:04:19 GMT

And there we all saw it, in Brasil!

The master showed everyone what F1 is all about. Rubinho is no
doubt very fast in the Ferrari in his home circuit but just look at the
difference in pace with MS. They both raced on the same 2 stop
strategy in the same equ