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[Leif Snellman]

I have been contacted by the owner of a Maserati 6C 34 who wants assistance to track down the racing record of his car.

The chassis is #3025 used by Scuderia Subalpina. The car had a special looking radiator as can be seen from this picture from Monaco 1937 (Luigi Soffietti)


Would anyone be able to help me?

[VDP]

I am at work for the moment I will check this evening in fanatique de l'automobile Maserati saga
I think this car started life as 8-CM and was updated .


Robert

[David McKinney]

Some 6C-34s were indeed converted 8CMs, but 3025 started life as a six, in 1935, when it was raced for Scuderia Subalpina (the unofficial works team that year) by Etancelin.
I've never sat down to work out what became of each, a task complicated by the fact that some 6C-34s were converted to 8CMs....
I have a note however that 3025 was an exhibit in the Paris Show in 1964.

[fines]

A brave man trying to sort this one out, as anyone with a remote interest in Maserati chassis numbers will tell you! Just ask Don...

I have been mulling over various Maserati issues, at times trying to employ radically different thinking, only to dump it again as it wouldn't help!

[David McKinney]

I expect I might soon get a message from a friend in Germany who reads TNF but is not (yet) a member. He has been trying to sort out the pre-war GP Maseratis and I've been leaving him to get on with it

[Don Capps]

Let me get back to my files next week and I'll see what I can do. This is always such fun......

[Hans Etzrodt]

Maserati 6C 34, Chassis No. 3025, Engine No. 3025 (3.7-liter 6-cylinder)

• 1935, March 2 - sold by factory to Scuderia Subalpina in Turin (Source: Orsini/Zagari, MASERATI)
• 1935, May 5 - Tunis GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: Philippe Etancelin, starting #8, 3rd place behind Varzi and Wimille (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, May 12 - Tripoli GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: Philippe Etancelin, starting #16, DNF lap 24 carburetor, (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, May 26 - Avusrennen - Heat 2, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: Philippe Etancelin, starting #14, 5th place, DNQ for final (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, June 9 - Biella Circuit, 3 Maserati 6C 34 entered by Scuderia Subalpina, drivers: Varzi, Ghersi, Siena, no chassis numbers given, (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, June 16 - Eifelrennen, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: G. Zehender, starting #11, DNF lap 4 spark plugs, (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, June 23 – French GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: G. Zehender, starting #18, 3rd place behind Caracciola and von Brauchitsch, no chassis numbers given (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, June 30 – Penya Rhin GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: G. Zehender, starting #14, 5th place behind Fagioli, Caracciola, Nuvolari and Brivio no chassis numbers given (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, July 21 – Dieppe GP, entrant: Officine Maserati, drivers: Philippe Etancelin, G. Zehender, starting #36, #38 no chassis numbers given (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, July 28 – German GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: Philippe Etancelin,, starting #17, no chassis numbers given (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, August 4 – Comminges GP – Heat 1, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: Philippe Etancelin, starting #6, 2nd place behind R. Sommer, (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, August 4 – Comminges GP – FINAL, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: Philippe Etancelin, starting #6, 6th place (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, August 18 – Nice GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, drivers: Philippe Etancelin, G. Zehender, starting #32, 34, both cars DNF no chassis numbers given (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1935, August 25 - Swiss GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, driver: Philippe Etancelin, starting #34, 1st lap, left circuit at Eymatt corner (Source: Cimarosti, Grand Prix Suisse)
• 1935, September 8 – Italian GP, entrant: Scuderia Subalpina, drivers: Pietro Ghersi, G. Zehender, starting #32, 24, both cars DNF no chassis numbers given (Source: Paul Sheldon, A Record of Grand Prix....)
• 1936, August 23 - Swiss GP, entrant: Scuderia Maremmana, driver: Clemente Biondetti, starting #36, DNF lap 11 driveshaft, possibly chassis # 3026 (Source: Cimarosti, Grand Prix Suisse)

[alessandro silva]

The car shown in the picture posted by Leif is the same as the one driven by Piero Dusio at the Italian GP in 1936.
So the list started by Hans should continue with the 1936 Scuderia Torino cars.
I have serious doubts that the Scuderia Maremmana car at Bern 1936 came from the same batch.

[VDP]

In the Monaco bible, C Moity writes that the car had a siata front ?

You can also see the same car in Motorsport december issue in the background of Nuvolari
picture


Robert

[alessandro silva]

Giorgio Ambrosini, team manager at Scuderia Torino in 1936, was the SIATA owner.

[Leif Snellman]

I just found a car looking like the #3025 in a picture of the 1937 Masaryk GP grid in David Venables' "First Among Champions", page 127.
The race number is 28. My own homepage isn't of much help here as I made the 1937 text long before I bought that book. I have Balestrero - Alfa Romeo as #28 in the entry list (definitely wrong) and Hartmann - 8CM as #28 with a question mark on the grid but I think it actually could be Soffietti as he raced a 6C 34 in that race just as in Monaco.

Thanks for all the answers so far. Please keep sending in suggestions folks.

[Hans Etzrodt]

Originally posted by Leif Snellman
I just found a car looking like the #3025 in a picture .........it actually could be Soffietti as he raced a 6C 34 in that race just as in Monaco..............

There were two 6C 34’s entered at the Brno race, the other one belonged to Paul Pietsch, who had bought it from Laszlo Hartmann in 1936. Pietsch's Maserati burned out completely after it felled a Czechoslovakian telephone pole at 230 km/h. Pietsch was lucky to survive the crash.

[sat]

Pietsch's Maserati look different from this above and was (probably) silver, not red.

[Hans Etzrodt]

It was a regular 6C 34 with the original Maserati grill. The car's color was changed to white after Pietsch got it.

[Ray Bell]

I have chassis number 1542 as being a 6C (possibly a 1936 build?) that fell into the useless hands of Colin Murray. He ran it (using the term loosely...) in the 1951 Australian Grand Prix then sold it to Eldred Norman.

In need of much rebuilding, Norman had new heads cast in bronze and used Singer conrods in its reconstruction, much of which took place atop the french-polished dining table he and Nancy Cato had received as a wedding present.

[David McKinney]

Nice to see you back, Ray
The 6C you mention is a 1500 (voiturette) whereas the subject of the thread is a 3.7-litre GP model

[Ray Bell]

As you can tell, I'm not up on these pre-war Maseratis... but I know a 250F when I see one!