40 replies to this topic

[Joe Fan]

Just wondering if anyone has SCCA's National schedule for the years 1953, 1955, and 1956. I am having a hard time figuring out what races were regional and what ones were national that Masten Gregory competed in during those years. I am trying to sort this info out for the "Race Successes Table" I have created for his biography. Thanks in advance.

Also, was the California Sports Car Club apart of SCCA during this time?

[Don Capps]

Here is a link to Martin Krejci's site where you can get started:

http://wsrp.host.sk/natus.html

[cabianca]

The California Sports Car Club and the SCCA were separate clubs at the time of Masten's club racing career. They did not merge until the 1960s. The SCCA's sphere of influence was National and included Northern California. The Cal Club held sway in Southern California only. From the mid-fifties, there were a few incursions into each other's territory, but they were, generally, not successful. However, the SCCA did sanction some Santa Barbara races and the Cal Club did sanction at least one Laguna Seca race. The Cal Club was the only real challenge to SCCA hegemony in big-time road race governance, even though they were limited to a small, if very important, geographical area of the US. Both NASCAR and AAA tried to break into road racing without achieving much. You should find someone in KC with a collection of the SCCA magazine, Sports Car. There you will find the calendar that specifies which races were nationals and which were regionals. The calendar is not complete, but it will solve 90% of your inquiries. The race reports will also add to your Gregory results.

[David McKinney]

I can't find any reference in Martin's records to which races were SCCA Nationals, which were SCCA Regionals, and which were 'other'. Or am I being blind as well as stupid?

Joe, the 'Cal Club' was initially at least a rival to the east coast region SCCA chapters, and I don't think it came under their umbrella as early as the mid 50s (if ever).

[cabianca]

Martin's results are interesting but have nothing to do with the "national' vs "regional" nomenclature in SCCA racing. I think he merely means these were US national races rather than international ones. Cal Club obviously didn't differentiate between "Nationals" and "regionals".

[Don Capps]

This is a topic I had hoped to leave -- and will for the most part -- for another day. One of my excuses for returning to the International Motor Racing Research Center at Watkins Glen in 2002 will be to sort some of this out to my own satisfaction. Although I have many issues of R&T, SCI, Sports Car, SCG, and various other magazines of The Day, my collection is far from complete. Besides, there are "political" factors that just add spice to the whole issue to make it even more fun.

Having said that, I agree with Michael that Martin has listed many of the "national" races of the SCCA. I have not had the opportunity to fully analyze the yearly listings that Martin has put on his site -- much of the information being provided by Karl Ludvigsen if I recall, but I just eyeballing it makes my eyes water and my head ache. As Michael correctly warns, the CSCC -- the Cal Club -- and the SCCA were scarcely friends for many years and many mistakenly stir the Cal Club events in with the SCCA races.

The eventual peace settlement twix the SCCA and the Cal Club made life a bit easier for the SCCA, but the confusion for those step into this without at least some knowledge of the rift can be significant: for instance, the Pacific Coast Championship events; when the system of the "National Championship" for the various classes started and how they were scored; that regionals and nationals were often the same weekend; and so forth and so on.

Thank goodness Michael, Bill Green, Mike Argetsinger, and others have a handle on most of this. It was often confusing at the time and the passage of time hasn't made it any easier....

[Joe Fan]

Thanks for the info everyone.

I have articles on most of the races but sometimes the sanctioning body is not clear. Most of the time, Road and Track had a nice little SCCA National Event logo that accompanied the article which made it a no-brainer. I was a bit confused because the CSCC is now apart of SCCA and they are mentioned in the articles of the 1955 Palm Springs races and last running of Torrey Pines--but no mention of SCCA anywhere.

[Martin Krejci]

David, Cabianca...: You are correct that my so called U.S. National Races have nothing to do with which are SCCA Nationals, which SCCA Regionals or Divisionals. If I new that I would surely sort them better but at the moment I know only SCCA Nationals calendar since 1962. Such races I have labeled with SCCA National prefix. Pre 1961 I have confirmed only very little usually from VIR website. Prior to 1957 I know really nothing about which races were part of whaich championship despite I would be extremely interesting to know that.

[Joe Fan]

For 1953, the races that are bold font are the races that I have found to be SCCA National events per Road and Track articles:

1953
Feb 21st, MacDill
Mar 22nd, Palm Springs (California Sports Car Club?)
April 12th, Bergstrom AFB
April 18-19 Pebble Beach (California Sports Car Club?)
April 26th, Thompson Raceway
May 3rd, Phoenix USA
May 23rd, Bridgehampton (SCCA but appears to be a regional race)
May 30th, Golden Gate
June 14th, Chanute (SCCA but appears to be a regional race)
June 21st, Offutt AFB
June 28th, Stockton
July 25th, Wilkes Barre
Aug, 8th, Seattle Seafair (SCCA but appears to be a regional race)
Aug 9th, Lockbourne
Aug 16th, Moffett NAS
Aug 29th, Floyd Bennett Field (AAA-FIA sanctioned)
Sept 6th, Thompson Raceway
Sept 6th, Santa Barbara (California Sports Car Club?)
Sept 19th, Watkins Glen
Sept 20th, Madera (SCCA but appears to be a regional race)
Oct. 4th, Terminal Island
Oct 17-18 Stead AFB races at Reno
Oct 25th, Sowega
Nov 8th, March AFB
Dec 13th, Willow Springs
? Ottawa
? Sullivan Count Hills

[cabianca]

The SCCA "Nationals" in 1953 were as follows:
MacDill AFB
Bergstrom AFB
Pebble Beach
Bridgehampton
Golden Gate
Mt. Equinox Hillclimb
Offutt AFB
Lockbourne AFB
Janesville
Seattle
Moffett NAS
Giant's Despair Hillclimb
Thompson
Reno
Sowego
March AFB

AFB = Air Force Base, NAS = Naval Air Station

However, the scoring system was still based on the "high point man", who, in 1953, was Bill Spear. The way it worked was that you scored points in National events no matter how many cars you ran in how many different classes. They were all added together. If someone was rich enough like Spear to have Ferraris in a couple of classes and an OSCA for another, it was fairly easy to pile up points vs. someone with only one car who couldn't travel a lot. The drivers were then ranked according to points and there was one "National Champion".

In 1954, the system was changed. The National races were still counted. However, there were National Championships in 15 Classes. Points were accumulated in the National races, of which there were between 15 and 20. The classes basically followed International convention.
They were broken into production and modified, the latter being primarily purpose-built sports racers.

The classes were:

B (5000cc to 8000cc), C (3000cc to 5000cc), D (2000cc to 3000cc), E (1500cc to 2000cc), F (1100cc to 1500cc), G (750cc to 1100cc), H (up to 750cc), Formula III and Unrestricted (Run what'cha brung).

Modified cars had classes B, C, D, E, F, G, H,
Production cars had C, D, E, F

In later years these classes increased in numbers. Later the SCCA switched from displacement based classes in production to performance based classes which tried to group cars of like performance together, no matter what their displacement. No matter which system was used, one car usually reigned as the hot set up in production racing until it was displaced by another.

[David McKinney]

The following are dates for SCCA Nationals. I don’t have many for the early years, and am not 100% sure about some of the others (the dates in brackets) before the system was abandoned at the end of 1964.
Mostly after Joe's period of interest, but might be of use to Martin.
Anyway, I've gone to all the trouble of working them out, so you're stuck with them

1955
16/10 Fairchild AFB, Hagerstown, Maryland (poss final round)
04/12 Palm Springs, California (alternative candidate for final round)

1957
16/11 Riverside, California

1958
12/01 Miami, Florida
05/05 Virginia International Raceway, Danville, Virginia
13/05 Cumberland, Maryland
01/06 Bridgehampton, New York
15/06 or 05/07 Lime Rock, Connecticut
17/08 Montgomery, New York
01/09 Thompson, Connecticut
05/10 Danville
02/11 Palm Springs

1959
05/04 Pensacola, Florida
(--/04 Daytona, Florida)
19/04 Marlboro, Maryland
03/05 Danville
17/05 Cumberland
31/05 Bridgehampton
21/06 Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin
05/07 Lime Rock
12/07 Buckley Field, Denver, Colorado
(19/07 Riverside)
09/08 Montgomery
07/09 Thompson
29/09 Watkins Glen, New York
15/11 Daytona

1960 (14 rounds)
03/04 Pensacola
27/04 Marlboro
15/05 Cumberland
30/05 Bridgehampton
(19/06 Elkhart Lake)
02/07 Lime Rock
24/07 Meadowdale, Illinois
06/08 Montgomery
21/08 Louisville, Kentucky
05/09 Thompson
24/09 Watkins Glen
--/10 ??, Texas
05/11 El Paso, Texas
13/11 Daytona

1961
04/02 Daytona
06/04 (or 16/04) Marlboro
13/04 (or 23/04) Danville
14/05 Cumberland
28/05 Bridgehampton
(17/06 Elkhart Lake)
01/07 Lime Rock
(23/07 Meadowdale)
05/08 Bridgehampton
20/08 Indianapolis Raceway Park, Indiana
--/-- Thompson
23/09 Watkins Glen

1962
28/01 Daytona
16/04 Marlboro
--/-- Danville
13/05 Cumberland
27/05 Stuttgart, Arkansas
(16/06 Elkhart Lake)
30/06 Lime Rock
08/07 Lake Garnett, Kansas
05/08 Meadowdale
03/09 Thompson
08/09 Elkhart Lake
22/09 Watkins Glen

1963
04/02 Daytona (USRRC1)
26/05 Pensacola (USRRC2)
09/06 Laguna Seca, California (USRRC3)
23/06 Elkhart Lake
30/06 Watkins Glen (USRRC4)
21/07 Kent, Washington (USRRC5)
04/08 Meadowdale
18/08 Continental Divide, Colorado (USRRC6)
24/08 Watkins Glen
08/09 Elkhart Lake (USRRC7)
22/09 Mid-Ohio (USRRC8)

1964
01/03 Augusta, Georgia (USRRC1)
05/04 Pensacola (USRRC2)
12/04 Marlboro
19/04 VIR, Danville
--/04 Riverside (USRRC3)
02/05 Laguna Seca (USRRC4)
--/05 Kent (USRRC5)
17/05 Cumberland
31/05 Bridgehampton
--/06 Elkhart Lake
28/06 Watkins Glen (USRRC6)
19/07 Greenwood, Iowa (USRRC7)
09/08 Meadowdale (USRRC8)
23/08 Watkins Glen
30/08 Mid-Ohio (USRRC9)
13/09 Elkhart Lake (USRRC10)
31/10 Lime Rock

[Don Capps]

The National Points Standings for 1954 are in the March/April 1955 issue of Sports Car, pages 26 thru 29, with NC's for Formula III and "Unrestricted" as well.

[fines]

Originally posted by Don Capps
The National Points Standings for 1954 are in the March/April 1955 issue of Sports Car, pages 26 thru 29, with NC's for Formula III and "Unrestricted" as well.

Don, would you please be so kind to post these here?

[Don Capps]

It'll take a bit of work, but when I get a chance I will certainly post at least the top few in each category. I must mention that I had almost forgotten that I had this information...

[Allen Brown]

I understand the distinction between Nationals and Regionals after 1964 (when the Run-Offs started) but it seems to have been different before that date. The table below came from Venlo Wolfson's 1967 Road Racing Annual. Immediately above the table he says:

The Club's speed events include "Nationals" for top drivers holding National licenses and "Regionals", primarily local events for club members. Hill climbs and drivers' schools are normally held separately from Regional meets but are on the same competitive level.

At the top of the SCCA's competition scale are the three professional series - U.S. Road Racing Championship, Canadian-American Challenge, and Trans-American Championship - and the FIA-listed National/Opens and Internationals.

[b]SCCA-sanctioned events* 1962  1963  1964  1965  1966[/b]

Hill climbs			  15	12	10	 6	 6

Drivers' schools		 53	53	66	64	66

Regionals & Restricteds  70	90	97   120   120

Divisionals			  39	44	51	 -	 -

Nationals				13	10	11	52	58

Interdivisional		   -	 -	 1	 1	 1

National/opens			3	11	12	11	14

Internationals			5	 6	 6	 7	 9

						---   ---   ---   ---   ---

						198   226   254   261   274

* An "event" is a weekend of racing and usually includes many races.

It is clear that the system changed following the 1964 Run-Offs with the old Divisionals being replaced by an increased number of Nationals and Regionals - the system most of us will recognise.

So what are these "National/opens"? The increase in number in 1963 seems to tie in with the start of the USRRC and the number of events in 1966 roughly ties in with the 8 USRRC events plus 7 Trans-Ams (the Sebring Trans-Am may have been counted in with the next day's International). The Internationals appear to be the 6 Can-Am races plus, maybe, Sebring, the July Watkins Glen and Kent in October.

Which leaves me wondering what David's list represents. His 1962 list is about the right length but his 1963 and 1964 lists would appear to be well short. Maybe this is predominately the "National/open" category events that I'm still finding a puzzle.

So I dug out my 1964 Road & Track and looked for SCCA Nationals in their "Time & Place" calendar. I don't have anything earlier that the June edition so this is only good from the 17 May weekend onwards:

1964
17 May - Cumberland, Md
31 May - Bridgehampton, NY
14 Jun - Mid-Ohio, Ohio
21 Jun - Elkhart Lake, Wis
5 Jul - Lake Garnett, Kansas
19 Jul - Greenwood, Ohio
2 Aug - Lynndale Farms, Wis
(NB 16 Aug - SCCA Natl Open Touring Car Races, Marlboro, Md)
23 Aug - Watkins Glen, NY
6 Sep - Thompson, CT
17 Oct - Lime Rock, Conn

That's 10, suggesting I missed one from before 17 May. David agrees with Cumberland, Bridgehampton, Elkhart Lake, Watkins Glen and Lime Rock (except on the date). It's also possible that events such as Lynndale Farms didn't take place and there are two pre-May events missing: such as David's Marlboro and VIR events. It's interesting that so many of these events are east of the Mississippi.

I looked at the 1965 SCCA Nationals and they were scheduled at the rate of two or three each weekend. I guess that post-65 Nationals don't really have the same level of importance - maybe the equivalent of club racing in the UK.

Am I putting this together right?

Allen

[David McKinney]

Afraid I can't help much
My sources include pre-season published dates, but a lot of extracts from driver biogs along the lines of "on such and such a date he won the SCCA National at Wherever". These could easily be misrepresentations of Regionals or those new woodpile inhabitants, Divisionals
I'm surprised no-one can produce definitive lists for each year :

[Allen Brown]

David

It is odd, especially as Road & Track lists them in its calendar. I just found this in Sports Car Graphic March 1963:

1963 SCCA Nationals schedule
5-7 Apr - Marlboro
26-28 Apr - VIR
10-12 May - Cumberland
1-2 Jun - Bridgehampton
22-23 Jun - Road America (Elkhart Lake)
6-7 Jul - Lake Garnett
3-4 Aug - Meadowdale
23-24 Aug - Watkins Glen
31 Aug-1 Sep - Thompson

This is one short of the table from the 1967 Annual, so I guess one more got scheduled later.

Also listed are 31 Divisional Championship events, some way short of the 44 in the 1967 Annual.

A schedule of FIA events in the same issue lists two International IC/F1/FJ events (up to 31 Jul): Bossier City on 31 March and IRP on 27-28 Jul. I think this is something we have discussed somewhere before ...

The other thing I find odd is that all the SCCA Nationals are towards the East, nearly all in the North Eastern Division and Central Division, with only Divisional Championship events in the other Divisions. There must have been something of equivalent importance in the West prior to the USRRC - any idea what it was? Was the Pacific Coast Championship the equivalent?

Allen

[David McKinney]

I'm reluctant to express views on this subject here, where there are many who know more about these things that I do.
However, it is obvious that there would be more (and better) racing in the areas where the sport was the strongest, eg in the NE and on the Pacific Coast.
The point must also be made that the SCCA Championship was never contested by the same people from race to race in the manner of - to give an extreme example - present-day championships. In the first few years of the Championship, a handful of NE drivers raced in occasional west coast events, but there was comparatively little traffic the other way.
My contention is that, as time passed, the east coast regions were more enthusiastic about applying for National (ie, championship) dates than those from other parts of the US.

[Allen Brown]

A variation on the 1964 schedule, adding Sports Car Graphic's 1964 International Calendar from the Jan 1964 edition (pp8, 17).

1964
12 Apr - Marlboro, Md (from SCG Jan 1964 p8 schedule)
19 Apr - Virginia Int'l Raceways (from SCG Jan 1964 p8 schedule)
17 May - Cumberland, Md
24 or 31 May - Bridgehampton, NY (SCG says 24 May)
14 Jun - Mid-Ohio, Ohio
21 Jun - Elkhart Lake, Wis
5 Jul - Lake Garnett, Kansas
19 Jul - Greenwood, Ohio (not shown in SCG)
2 Aug - Lynndale Farms, Wis (not shown in SCG)
23 Aug - Watkins Glen, NY
6 Sep - Thompson, CT
11 Oct - Reading, Pa (from SCG Jan 1964 p8 schedule)
17 or 18 Oct - Lime Rock, Conn (SCG says 18 Oct)

So Marlboro, VIR, Cumberland, Bridgehampton, Mid-Ohio, Elkhart Lake, Lake Garnett, Watkins Glen, Thompson, Reading and Lime Rock gives us 11. The 1967 table said there were 11. Could this be the right list at last?

With the exception of Kansas, in the Central Division, all these are in either the North East or Mid West SCCA Divisions.

Allen

[Don Capps]

Well, Here are the 1952 points standings. I will post the 1954 standings whenever I finish putting them on paper so don't hold your breath.

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SCCA National Point Standings for 1952

Drivers

Driver Points
1. Sherwood Johnston 10,100
Vero Breach 1,250
Pebble Beach 300
Bridgehampton 1,500
Golden Gate 1,300
Mount Equinox 750
Burke Mount 750
Giant’s Despair 1,000
Thompson 750
Elkhart Lake 500
Watkins Glen 500
Sowega 1,500

2. William Spear 5,900
Vero Beach 1,750
Bridgehampton 1,000
Thompson 150
Elkhart Lake 1,000
Watkins Glen 1,000
Sowega 1,000

3. Phil Walters 5,800
Vero Beach 1,750
Giant’s Despair 1,000
Thompson 1,000
Elkhart Lake 1,750
Sowega 300

4. John Gordon Bennett 5,200
Vero Beach 825
Bridgehampton 1,000
Burke Mount 500
Giant’s Despair 825
Thompson 750
Elkhart Lake 300
Sowega 1,000

5. John Fitch 4,900
Vero Beach 150
Bridgehampton 1,000
Thompson 750
Elkhart Lake 1,000
Watkins Glen 1,000
Sowega 1,000

6. George Weaver 4,500
Bridgehampton 1,000
Mount Equinox 1,000
Burke Mount 1,000
Elkhart Lake 1,500

7. Robert Wilder 4,450
Bridgehampton 300
Vero Beach 1,000
Mount Equinox 1,000
Burke Mount 1,000
Giant’s Despair 150
Thompson 1,000

8. William B. Lloyd 4,300
Vero Beach 650
Bridgehampton 150
Mount Equinox 500
Burke Mount 750
Giant’s Despair 1,000
Thompson 300
Elkhart Lake 150
Watkins Glen 150
Sowega 650

9. John Bentley 3,900
Vero Beach 1,500
Bridgehampton 750
Mount Equinox 1,000
Elkhart Lake 650

10. Briggs Cunningham 3,750
Vero Beach 1,600
Bridgehampton 500
Thompson 1,000
Elkhart Lake 500
Sowega 150

10. Phil Hill 3,750
Pebble Beach 750
Golden Gates 1,000
Elkhart Lake 2,000

10. George Huntoon 3,750
Vero Beach 1,750
Sowega 2,000

13. Gordon Lipe 3,550
14. Max Hoffman 3,250
15. LeRoy Thorpe 3,200
16. Fritz Koster 3,150
17. William Procter, Jr. 3,000
18. James Kimberly 2,950
19. Roger Barlow 2,800
20. John Meyer 2,750
21. John Negley 2,500
21. Bryon King 2,500
23. Peter Crocker 2,300
24. Fred Wacker 2,250
24. James Simpson 2,250
24. Charles Hassan 2,250
24. Karl Brocken 2,250
24. Fred White 2,250
24. E.J. Tobin 2,250
24. Tom Scatchard 2,250
31. Pres Gray 2,050
32. Don Parkinson 2,000
32. Bill Pollack 2,000
32. G. Vilardi 2,000
32. Maurice Hoopes 2,000


Cars

Car Owner Points
1. Jaguar Special Sherwood Johnston 5,500
2. Ardun Special Robert Wilder 5,000
3. Porsche Roadster William B. Lloyd 4,650
4. Jaguar XK-120C Max Hoffman 4,500
5. Ferrari 166 E. P. Lunken 4,000
6. Porsche Le Mans Coupe Fritz Koster 3,225
7. Cunningham Coupe Briggs Cunningham 3,050
8. O.S.C.A. William Spear 3,000
8. Porsche Convertible F. William Proctor, Jr. 3,000
8. M.G. TD Special C.G. Bennett 3,000
11. M.G. – Offy W. B. Lloyd 2,850
12. Simca Special Roger Barlow 2,800
13. Cunningham C4R Briggs Cunningham 2,750
13. Gloeckler Porsche Max Hoffman 2,750
13. Meyer Special John Meyer 2,750
14. Allard J-2 John Negley 2,500


Sports Car, March-April 1953
Page 17

[Don Capps]

Here are the national points for 1954. I hope this is useful to some of you. I will find some time to work on a better -- or at least more detailed list of "Nationals" and national events; Michael Lynch has done considerable work in this area and if you haven't picked up a copy of Sports Car Racing in the '50s, you really need to do so. It is a great book and Michael could use the royalties....


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SCCA National Point Standings for 1954

Class B Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 4,750 Jack Ensley Kurtis Kraft
2. 3,125 Sherwood Johnston Cunningham
3. 2,500 Walt Gray Allard
4. 2,125 Charles Moran Cunningham
5. 2,000 Phil Walters Cunningham
6. 1,375 John Meyer Meyer Special
7. 1,000 John Barneson Allard
1,000 Dave Schilling Allard
1,000 Reade Tilley Allard
1,000 Micky Wysong Guy MaBee Special
11. 750 Max Balchowsky Ford Special
750 Carl Block Allard
750 Briggs Cunningham Cunningham
750 Dale Duncan Allard
750 Jerry Rigden Kurtis Kraft
750 Roy Scott Allard
750 Fred Wacker Allard
18. 500 Donald Dickey Allard
500 Fred Losee Allard
20. 375 Stewart Rutherford Allard
21. 250 Don Rose Allard


Class C Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 9,500 Jim Kimberly 4.5 Ferrari
2. 4,000 Bill Spear 4.5 Ferrari
3. 2,750 Sterling Edwards 4.1 Ferrari
4. 2,250 Ernie Erickson C Jaguar
5. 2,000 Jack McAfee 4.5 Ferrari
6. 1,875 Loyal Katskee C Jaguar
7. 1,250 Pres Gray Nash Healey
1,250 M.R.J. Wylie C Jaguar
9. 1,125 Ridelle Gregory C Jaguar
10. 1,000 George Huntoon C Jaguar
1,000 Roland Keith Allard
12. 875 Walt Hansgen C Jaguar
13. 750 Carlos Braniff 4.5 Ferrari
750 Louis Brero Jaguar
750 Phil Hill 4.5 Ferrari
750 Dick Irish 4.5 Ferrari
750 Ebby Lunken 4.1 Ferrari
750 Phil Walters 4.5 Ferrari
19. 625 Paul Timmins Jaguar Special
20. 500 Bob Baker Morgensen Special
500 Charles Helm Ford Special
500 Sherwood Johnston 4.5 Ferrari
500 Dave Michaels Jaguar Special
500 Charles Sarle Jaguar
500 Carroll Shelby C Jaguar
26. 375 Addison Austin Chevrolet Special
375 Tom Benavides Corvette
375 Lou Fageol Fageol Porsche
30. 250 Dale Duncan 4.5 Ferrari
250 John Knight Jaguar


Class C Production
Points Driver Car (All drove Jaguars)
1. 6,500 Chuck Wallace Jaguar XK 120M
2. 3,625 Russ Boss
3. 2,500 Ted McGrade
4. 2,000 C. L. Attaway
2,000 Sam Weiss
6. 1,625 Warren Smith
7. 1,500 Jim Peterson
8. 1,375 Jack Crusoe
1,375 Dick Perrin
10. 1,250 H.A. Fennel
11. 1,000 Bob Bucher
1,000 Loyal Katskee
1,000 E. P. Lawrence
1,000 Steve Spitler
15. 875 Harris Fahnestock
16. 750 Jim Grove
750 Herbert Hodgman
750 Marty Malarkey
750 Peter Sparacino
750 A. F. Young
21. 625 Don McComb
22. 500 Louis Brero
500 Cloyd Gray
500 Ridelle Gregory
500 Art Habersin
500 Gordon McKensie
500 R.B. Masterson
500 Tom Pace
500 John Schmidt
500 Ralph Wiseman
32. 375 Jerry Austin
375 J. Harold Brown
375 George Constantine
375 Ray Elston
375 Springer Jones
375 Jack Karstrom
375 Jack Manting
39. 250 Bob Baker
250 John Bird
250 B.W. Coan
250 Vic Forno
250 Tony Sharp
250 John Sinclair
250 Bill Victor


Class D Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 7,000 Bill Lloyd 2.7 Ferrari
2. 2,500 Dick Lyeth 2.9 Ferrari
3. 1,875 Chuck Hassan 2.9 Ferrari
4. 1,500 Bill Jarnigan Ferrari
5. 1,250 Adrian Melville 2.7 Ferrari
6. 1,000 Stacy Carkhuff Austin Healey
1,000 John Fitch 2.9 Ferrari
1,000 Howard Hively 2.9 Ferrari
1,000 Barry Wagner Edwards
1,000 Vale Wright Special
11. 875 Jackie Cooper Austin Healey
12. 750 Dave Biggs 2.7 Ferrari
750 Howard Wheeler Ferrari
14. 500 Fred Allen Austin Healey
500 Louis Keller Frazer Nash
500 P.F. Schaeffer Ferrari
500 Phil Walters 2.9 Ferrari
18. 375 Lorin McMullen Aston Martin
19. 250 Charles Brown Ferrari


Class D Production
Points Driver Car (All drove Austin Healeys)
1. 3,000 Bill Kincheloe Austin Healey
2. 2,500 Fred Allen
3. 2,000 Roy Jackson-Moore
4. 1,750 George Swift
5. 1,375 Len Franke
6. 1,000 Billy Dantone
1,000 Bob Fergus
1,000 J.B. Holley
9. 750 Charles Deane
750 Paul Vollmer
11. 625 Harlan Simonds
12. 500 W.J. Banes
500 Joe Hudson
500 Reg Ogilvie
15. 375 Emil Bulk
375 D. T. Galarneau
375 Jim King
375 Alex MacArthur
375 Art Simmons
20. 250 Don Davis
250 Ken Livingston
250 Phil Stiles


Class E Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 2,750 Fred G. Wacker Arnolt Bristol
2,750 Ted Boynton Frazer Nash
3. 2,500 Don McKnought Maserati
4. 2,000 James R. Lowe Frazer Nash
2,000 F. W. Proctor Maserati
6. 1,875 W.F. Carpenter Kieft Bristol
7. 1,250 Bob Kuhn Siata
1,250 George Schrafft Siata
9. 1,000 Bob Blackwood Siata
1,000 Randy MacDougall Ferrari
11. 875 Paul Ceresole Kieft Bristol
12. 750 Bill David Maserati
750 Fritz Koster Maserati
750 Bob Larson M G supercharged
15. 500 S.H. Arnolt Arnolt Bristol
500 Bob Graycroft Ferrari
500 Bob Gillespie Maserati
500 Ernie McAfee Siata
19. 375 Denny Cornett Arnolt Bristol
375 Charles Moran Frazer Nash
21 250 Bob Fergus Arnolt Bristol


Class E Production
Points Driver Car (All drove Triumph TR2’s)
1. 1,875 Bob Salzgaber Triumph TR2
2. 1,000 Frank Hern
1,000 Wally Kiekhefer
1,000 Roland McConkey
1,000 Jim Robinson
1,000 Roger Wing
7. 500 Jim Brooks
8. 375 Gaston Andrey
375 Charles Wilson


Class F Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 4,375 Briggs S. Cunningham OSCA
2. 2,750 Phil Stewart OSCA
3. 2,500 Bill David OSCA
4. 2,375 Duncan Black Lester MG
5. 2,250 George Moffet OSCA
2,250 John von Neuman Porsche
2,250 Jim Simpson OSCA
8. 2,000 Ed Crawford OSCA
9. 1,875 Bill Brewster OSCA
10. 1,625 Sherwood Johnston OSCA
11. 1,500 Frank Bott OSCA
1,500 Pete Lovely Porschewagen
13. 1,000 Seymor Leson OSCA
14. 750 Lloyd Barton Porsche
750 John Benett OSCA
750 Jim Kimberly OSCA
750 Bob Krasberg MG
750 Ed Licht MG
750 Roger Merrill Bandini
750 Bill Rutan Lester MG
750 Norman Scott MG Special
750 Marvin Weinman OSCA
750 Dolph Vilardi Porschewagen
24. 500 Jack Holland MG
500 Wally Kiekhefer Porsche
500 Kjell Qvale MG Special
500 Henry Wessells III OSCA
28. 375 Karl Brocken Uhelien Special
375 Don Marsh Lester MG
375 James Saunders MG
375 Lake Underwood VW Special
32. 250 Jim Graham Porsche
250 Marty Stevens Jupiter Special
250 Charles Wilson Allard PB


Class F Production
Points Driver Car (All drove Porsches except as noted)
1. 3,875 Art Bunker Porsche
3,875 Dick Thompson
3. 2,125 Ralph Durbin MG
4. 1,500 J. P. Kunstle
1,500 Dick Pace
6. 1,375 Chandler Lawrence
1,375 Paul van Antwerpen
1,375 F. W. Proctor
9. 1,250 Pete Lovely
1,250 J. I. Staley
11. 1,125 Ralph Ormsbee
12. 1,050 Bill Fleming
13. 1,000 Max Goldman
1,000 Evans Hunt
1,000 Warren Steele
16. 875 Wally Kiekhefer
875 J.B. Moran
18. 750 John Bentley
750 Monroe Davidson MG
750 Howard Hanna
21. 625 Bill Lilley
22. 500 John Bye
500 Gus Ehrman MG
500 Art Hall
500 Claude Haycraft
500 Ray Henley MG
500 Bob Megenheimer
500 Dave Mitchell
500 Jim Orr
500 Michael Rodney MG
500 Bob Richardson MG
500 John Rydford
33. 375 Bob Ballenger
375 Len Bastrup MG
375 Norm Carlson
375 Walter Ernst
375 Bob Fergus MG
375 Paul Flickenger HRG
375 Dorothy Rudkin
40. 250 Francis Chambers
250 Jim Dager MG
250 Bob Holbert MG
250 Al Koster
250 Bill Long MG
250 Frank Manley
250 Ralph Richter
250 J.W. Schmidt
250 Dr. T.P. Waring
250 Don Warren


Class G Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 7,500 Ree T. Makins OSCA
2. 4,000 John Bentley Siata
3. 1,750 Gunnard Rubini Lotus
4. 1,000 Al Coppel OSCA
1,000 Bob Keller Siata
6. 875 Charles Rutan VW Special
7. 750 Tony Pompeo Siata
750 Glen St. Louis Panhard
9. 500 John Black Moretti
10. 375 Dick Gent Cisitalia
11. 250 Isabelle Haskell Siata
250 John Norwood Siata
250 E. Pupilidy VW Special


Class H Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 4,000 Candy Poole PBX
2. 2,250 Henry Rudkin Bandini
3. 2,000 Harry Everly Crosley
4. 1,500 Francois Crouzet DB
1,500 George Schrafft PBC
6. 1,250 A.G. Place Siata
7. 1,125 Bill Betts Giaur
1,125 Sandy MacArthur Bandini
1,125 Bruce Townsend TXP
10. 1,000 John Biehl Moretti
1,000 Roy Cherryholmes Moretti
1,000 Henry Gauding Renault
1,000 Marshall Lewis Stanguellini
1,000 Skip Swartley Panhard
15. 875 Paul Gougelman Nardi
875 John Porter Panhard
875 Jerry Rigden Moretti
18. 750 Bob Samuelson Nardi
19. 500 H.B. Robb Moretti
20. 375 John Benett Stanguellini
375 John Black Moretti
375 B. Whitehead Nardi
23. 250 Frank Dominianni Giaur
250 Bud Seaverns Siata
250 Hal Stetson Crosley
250 Don Vitale Nardi
250 Dick Yares Siata


Formula III
Points Driver Car
1. 750 Harry Whitney Cooper
2. 500 Alexis duPont Cooper
500 Rowland Keith Cooper


Unrestricted
Points Driver Car
1. 875 Phil Cade Maserati Grand Prix
2. 500 Sherwood Johnston Jaguar Special
500 Alan Patterson Allard


Sports Car, March-April 1955
Pages 26 thru 29

[fines]

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Don Capps
I hope this is useful to some of you

Speaking for myself, my reaction is similar to Michael's. I just love finding, buried down the list, names that would be famous later on: Gus Andrey in a TR2 (must have been before he discovered Morgans), Kjell Qvale in an MG Special etc. Of particular fascination to me, with my special interest in New Zealand racing, is the name of Allard driver Fred Lossee. He later raced a 100S Austin-Healey under the name of Derf Eesoll (couldn't have fooled many!) and then took it to NZ and raced it there.

[Joe Fan]

Very much appreciated Don and a very interesting list. I could easily absorb myself in a book with all of this data for several weeks.

What immediately caught my eye, Riddelle Gregory 9th in the C Mod points and Kansas Citian Art Bunker the F Production Champion.

[David McKinney]

Joe:
I know you made the point in an earlier thread about how Masten Gregory's brother spells his first name. But it worries me that 937 different sources call him Ridelle and only one (you) Riddelle. Are you really really sure?

[Joe Fan]

David,
I am absolutely sure because I don't make grandiose spelling errors like that. When I first discovered this, Riddelle commented that his name was mispelled in Michael Lynch's American Sports Car Racing book. Honest error because it was always mispelled in magazine articles as "Ridelle." Even Carroll Shelby mispells it. The source of the problem with the mispellings is that you pronounce his name RI-Dell and not RID-Dell like it is spelled. However, he still answers to RID-Dell and many people pronounce it that way too. Even I do sometimes.

[David McKinney]

OK, we'll make that two for Riddelle - you and him.
No better make it three. Me too

[Don Capps]

Actually "Joe" had convinced me of this some time ago, but I merely copied it as it was in the magazine.

I working on my next RVM article, but as soon as I wrap it up, I will come back here to talk about some observations I have gained from my latest look under the lid at this branch of the sport...

[roadmap]

Has anyone any info on John Negley driving an Allard K3 or any other driver who did around 54-56

[Terry O'Neil]

John Negley was killed in an accident while practising for the races at Turner AFB in Georgia around 24 October 1953, so discount him from driving an Allard K3 during the period 1954-56.
Terry

[roadmap]

Hi Terry
Thanks for this. I didnt know. I think he drove a J2 but was told he also drove a K3 and I didnt think that the K3 would be available in the States until 54.

[Terry O'Neil]

According to Road & Track an Allard K3 turned up at Watkins Glen in 1954 and entered the GP race. I quote " Several Allard J2X's are present and one K3 sporting two '55 Packard 4-throat carbs on a Cad engine" No drivers name is mentioned, and I have failed to spot the car described as a K3 in the programme. That means little though, as only the scantest of information was printed in the programme. Not much help I'm afraid. If you find out more about this entry - then let me know please.
Terry

[Terry O'Neil]

Can anyone please confirm if there was a race at Eagle Mountain National Guard Base, just outside of Fort Worth, Texas, in 1953.
I can find no date for the race, but supposedly Shelby won the Guardsmen's Trophy driving an Allard J2 with Cadillac engine installed.
Any clues?
Terry

[mabee_special]

Just wanted to say the Guy Mabee Special (see below) is going to be shown at the Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance this year. Please feel free to PM me with any historical info or stories you may have of the Special.

SCCA National Point Standings for 1954

Class B Modified
Points Driver Car
1. 4,750 Jack Ensley Kurtis Kraft
2. 3,125 Sherwood Johnston Cunningham
3. 2,500 Walt Gray Allard
4. 2,125 Charles Moran Cunningham
5. 2,000 Phil Walters Cunningham
6. 1,375 John Meyer Meyer Special
7. 1,000 John Barneson Allard
1,000 Dave Schilling Allard
1,000 Reade Tilley Allard
1,000 Micky Wysong Guy MaBee Special
11. 750 Max Balchowsky Ford Special
750 Carl Block Allard
750 Briggs Cunningham Cunningham
750 Dale Duncan Allard
750 Jerry Rigden Kurtis Kraft
750 Roy Scott Allard
750 Fred Wacker Allard
18. 500 Donald Dickey Allard
500 Fred Losee Allard
20. 375 Stewart Rutherford Allard
21. 250 Don Rose Allard

[iicarJohn]

John Negley raced an Allard J2 in 1952 and got points in a regional championship that often awarded a one finishing position to the car and another to the driver.
Negley raced an Allard J2X LM during 1953 in at least nine events with a fair bit of success before his death.

I did some research on the early "Carroll Shelby" Allard J2 which actually belonged to Charles E. Brown but stopped my research before confirming that it had raced 1953 at "Eagle Mountain", said to be "Fort Worth" in the claims I saw. His first "big car" race was supposedly in the car at Caddo Mills in 1952. It is important to note that the racing at this time was strictly small-time stuff even if it didn't seem like it to all of those who were involved.

[roadmap]

Originally posted by Terry O'Neil
According to Road & Track an Allard K3 turned up at Watkins Glen in 1954 and entered the GP race. I quote " Several Allard J2X's are present and one K3 sporting two '55 Packard 4-throat carbs on a Cad engine" No drivers name is mentioned, and I have failed to spot the car described as a K3 in the programme. That means little though, as only the scantest of information was printed in the programme. Not much help I'm afraid. If you find out more about this entry - then let me know please.
Terry

Do you know the date of the Road and Track magazine as I cannot find it.

[etceterini.com]

I have many race results, point standings, and programs from the 1950's
on my page:

http://ferrariexpert...s test page.htm

cliff reuter

[cabianca]

Many SCCA results that are not in the SCCA Sports Car magazine are available here.

http://www.box.net/p...2dxt2uooe7#main

[terry mcgrath]

dear all, I am trying to get photocopies of all the SCCA magazines prior to january 1950 as I have them all from this datte can anyone help
regards terry australia

[etceterini.com]

Terry,
good luck finding those scans! But if you do I hope they are not in the
PDF format, which are a pain in the arse to open! Here is a link to my
new 1961 SCCA page which is growing as we speak (just bought 10
more SCCA mags and two programs)

http://ferrariexpert...0etceterini.htm

-cliff

[HDonaldCapps]

Originally posted by terry mcgrath
dear all, I am trying to get photocopies of all the SCCA magazines prior to january 1950 as I have them all from this datte can anyone help
regards terry australia

The International Motor Racing Research Center (IMRRC), located at Watkins Glen, has copies of the early issues of Sports Car (Sports Wagen).

Many of these early issues have photographs pasted into the issues, which should give you an idea as to the circulation numbers.....