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[markzed]

I'm using a Sidewinder Precision Pro Joystick and I'm not particularly great at (a) driving and
(b) setup. I have fun though.

I should also mention that I am still running the original GP3 (not the 2000 add-on).

The only track where I have been reasonably competitive was Melbourne. Other than there, I've usually been 2-3 seconds off the pace.

I did another session today at Austria and am now down to 1m 12.956s (-0.618).

[PeppeF1]

Over and Out, Monaco next!

[Yelnats]

Originally posted by markzed
I'm using a Sidewinder Precision Pro Joystick and I'm not particularly great at (a) driving and
(b) setup. I have fun though.

I should also mention that I am still running the original GP3 (not the 2000 add-on).

The only track where I have been reasonably competitive was Melbourne. Other than there, I've usually been 2-3 seconds off the pace.

I did another session today at Austria and am now down to 1m 12.956s (-0.618).

Just for the record Markezd I am using the original GP3 with an updated carset (year 2000 , 810 HP) and I can only manage a 1:10.977 and I am no rocket either so I guess were both in the same boat (a slow one at that).

[PeppeF1]

Monaco, 1.16.860

[markzed]

***** NEWSFLASH *****

I just bought, installed and tested the GP3 2000 add-on.

In the old game, I worked hard in Austria to get a 1m 12.956s.

In the 2000 game, on my first hot lap in Austria with default setup I did a 1m 12.628s.

Now this says that either a) the 2000 game supplies more grip and power, or b) I can't setup a car for ****.

Either way, my time is still not competitive. Gimme another few sessions and see what happens.

I'll try Monaco too while I'm here.

[Yelnats]

Monaco 1:18.488, 1998 GP3, 2000 Carset 810 HP.

Well Marrkzed if I could find the 2000 Add on I would buy it but I haven't seen it so I guess I'll just struggle on.

Of course I could just use one of those fantastic utilities to reduce my car weight and up the grip but that wouldn't be kosher would it.

Watch out Pepper F1 I'm closing on you. I was 2.2 secs behind at Austria, a power track, and now only 1.6 at Monaco, a finesse track. Seriously I found a killer setup. I knocked almost a second off my Monaco time on my second lap after bashing my head against the wall with numerous others setups. I have ran out of time now but I guess theres another half second in it for me.

[markzed]

Gee, even with the extra oomph of the 2000 car, I have only managed at 1m 22.something at Monaco so far. Give me time (LOTS of it...)

[Indy2]

Originally posted by markzed
Gee, even with the extra oomph of the 2000 car, I have only managed at 1m 22.something at Monaco so far. Give me time (LOTS of it...)

practice makes perfect.. 1.19.360 during the race using default setup(qualified at pole with a 1.19.555.. )

[confucius]

hehe, even with the extra oomph of the 2002 car, I can only manage a 1:18:056!

[davis f1_2002]

1:17.654 with 2001 patch. Its alot quicker keyboard

[Frederick]

I'm back.....I have been messing around with win XP on my machine....would be good if i wanted to buy a new scanner and modem and i couldn't get the on-board sound to work properly so a new motherboard was in the frame too.
couldn't run GP3 as the framerate took a 50% hit....down to 10 or 11 with no mirrors and the sound drove me crazy so i spat the dummy and went back to 98se

loaded GP3-2000 and did a 1:13.006 at Canada with Emac's Carset and Matti's Trackpak for 2002

[confucius]

That's a great time, even with Emac's carset. I haven't got the track pack, but I have got a patched track by some guy. It's quite a good patch, but my setup sucks. I just can't get a better car no matter which direction I go. My best time is exactly 4secs (!!) slower than yours, and I can't go more than 2 or 3 laps without crashing the damn car.

[Yelnats]

Originally posted by confucius
That's a great time, even with Emac's carset. I haven't got the track pack, but I have got a patched track by some guy. It's quite a good patch, but my setup sucks. I just can't get a better car no matter which direction I go. My best time is exactly 4secs (!!) slower than yours, and I can't go more than 2 or 3 laps without crashing the damn car.

I figure that if I'm not crashing every two or three laps I'n not trying hard enough.

[Frederick]

Confucius....don't be fooled into thinking that the four seconds is due to anything that you are doing (or not doing)
Two things have a profound effect on laptimes

1. the physics that come with emacs carset are somewhat extreme : 860hp, 18100 revs and some very sticky tyres not to mention the increased Aero effeciency of the bodywork which allows lower wing settings, higher gearing and more straightline speed.

2. the magic data that is built into the track file, in particular the track grip figure which is usually around 16384 in a default track. i have seen this cranked up as high as 17100 or thereabouts which can make the difference of 1.5 secs on a lap

all of which means that when you see a time of 1:13.006 for canada you should ask yourself "what the hell has the cheating bastard done to his game-code?"

which is probably what Ron and Frank think when that cheating bastard in the red car gets pole by a second or more

This GP3 thingy really is a "Simulator" isn't it?

[Yelnats]

Good point Frederick. I use a benchmark derived from a computer driven qualifying session to eliminate the variables of carsets and track packs and give me an idea of how fast I am on a given track. This benchmark is obtained from lap times set with my car when qualified by the computer in an 'acellerated time' qualifying session. This only takes a few minutes and it's worth it to see where one stands.

The important points to remember are;

1. Set skill level to ACE.
2. Unselect your driver to allow the computer to qualify your car.
3. Enter a Non-Championship race session and go directly to a qualifying session. Hit escape when in the car and then select 'accelerate time'.
4. Note the resultant times of your car for three sessions and average to obtain a benchmark. (Generally sessions are +- 0.25 seconds).
5. No fiddling with driver ability levels please! The standard ability level is 16210 for a Schumacher class driver and should be confirmed with the excellent GP3Edit utility. It's no good picking a car driven by an Alex Young just to make yourself look fast!

This quick and dirty measure of speed removes most of the variables that make our comparisons here rather meaningless. Very few tried this system when I mentioned it previously. Could it be too revealing?

My Canada time (so far) is 1:16.781 which compares favourably with the computer driven benchmark of 1:18.423.

[Gemini]

Yelnats, that's a very interesting formula you are suggesting. I somehow never used that before... I have must misread you previous posts. I will try this out this weekend...

[Frederick]

My aim with GP3, since i do most of my racing by myself, is to get the laptimes as close as possible to the real thing and then close-up the CC's so that i have good, competitive racing, where i have to be consistent to finish well.
there is nothing better than a four way dice for the lead over a whole race distance......slight mistake and you're history!

that's a fair departure from the real thing i know, but that's what i want MY F1 to be like....Bernie and Max can shove thier concept where the sun don't shine.
so to achieve that i use all of the tools at my disposal; C-Magic files, Physics files and Set-ups

The biggest disappointment with GP3-2000 is that no-one has updated any of the Carset Editors to make it as easy as GP3 1.13 was to configure
lets hope GP4 is so good that it will spark a re-surgence of interest from the Stephen Youngs, Paul Hoads and others

Yelnats.......I'll re-install GP3 1.13 and GP3Edit and give your technique a try see if we can't get a level playing field going on the forum, and uhh , yeah...i reckon the truth will hurt....




but you'll get over it



BTW just nailed a 1:12.638 at canada

[Gemini]

Originally posted by Frederick


The biggest disappointment with GP3-2000 is that no-one has updated any of the Carset Editors to make it as easy as GP3 1.13 was to configure

you can still configure things like car power, drivers performance, car reliability etc. if you are using RH 2002 casrset for GPX 2.2x Patch

[Frederick]

Yep i know, i just meant that its not as easy, because its not all in one place and you have to think about what you apply last as the physics file will overwrite the HP figure that you change in the text of the performance file and the cmagic file will apply different CC gearing to the CCperf editor unless you remember to use the CCperf editor last thing before launching the game.......etc etc

frankly it does my head in, ......... overloads my two remaining braincells