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#101 subh

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Posted 06 February 2016 - 14:03

Here is 2014:

 

1. Hamilton

2. Ricciardo

3. Alonso

4. Rosberg

5. Bottas

6. Vettel

7. Button

8. Hulkenberg

9. Kvyat

10. Magnussen

 

Can anyone please provide 2012, 2013, 2015?  Thank you.



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#102 MCS

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 20:42

Not sure I am even remotely bothered about 2012 onwards, with all due respect.  Isn't this a "nostalgia" forum in any case?

 

I can, however, remember my disappointment (bewilderment) that Jochen Rindt wasn't even included in the 1970 top ten.  Who made that decision?


Edited by MCS, 07 February 2016 - 20:45.


#103 PCC

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Posted 07 February 2016 - 22:08

I can, however, remember my disappointment (bewilderment) that Jochen Rindt wasn't even included in the 1970 top ten.  Who made that decision?

MCS, there's a note at the end of the Top Ten of 1982:

 

"It has been the custom for Autocourse to exclude drivers who, for one reason or another, have not completed a full season... this, of course, ruled out Gilles Villeneuve and Didier Pironi."

 

It goes on to argue that while Pironi would have topped the list at the beginning of August, "it is feasible that he could have made mistakes [in the last few races] which inevitably would have detracted from his record thus far."

 

So that was the rationale, although one could argue that as a blanket rule, it was a rather blunt instrument. We can at least be grateful that the argument, for the most part, is in the past tense.



#104 MCS

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 08:51

Thanks Peter.  Makes sense I suppose.

 

Mark



#105 subh

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 16:53

Isn't this a "nostalgia" forum in any case?


You’re right of course. Perhaps I am the only person interested in a fully updated list. I will ask elsewhere.

#106 Henri Greuter

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Posted 10 January 2019 - 08:17

Got my Autocourse 2018.

I've read the Top 10.

I'm gonna read it another time this evening to verify if what I believe to have read yesterday is correct after all.
Because I can't believe the ranking I've read yesterday yet.....

#107 PRD

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Posted 10 August 2022 - 18:38

I have compiled all the top tens into a spreadsheet ready for the total rankings to be revealed using the current 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 scoring system. The only one I am missing is the top ten for 2021. Could someone please post that here and then I will add it to my spreadsheet and post the full list?

 

 Autocourse 2021 Top Ten

 

1. Verstappen

2. Hamilton

3. Norris

4. Leclerc

5. Sainz

6. Gasly

7. Alonso

8. Russell

9. Ocon

10. Perez



#108 Henri Greuter

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Posted 10 August 2022 - 18:41

I have compiled all the top tens into a spreadsheet ready for the total rankings to be revealed using the current 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 scoring system. The only one I am missing is the top ten for 2021. Could someone please post that here and then I will add it to my spreadsheet and post the full list?

I was just startimg to type when I saw the message ne post added...



#109 Henri Greuter

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Posted 10 August 2022 - 18:43

 Autocourse 2021 Top Ten

 

1. Verstappen

2. Hamilton

3. Norris

4. Leclerc

5. Sainz

6. Gasly

7. Alonso

8. Russell

9. Ocon

10. Perez

You beated me to it



#110 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 10 August 2022 - 19:12

So a little more readable

Number     Driver          Points        Seasons in Autocourse Top 10
 1     Lewis Hamilton        321                   15 
 2     Michael Schumacher    306                   16 
 3     Fernando Alonso       258                   17 
 4     Alain Prost           239                   12 
 5     Sebastian Vettel      184                   12 
 6     Ayrton Senna          181                   10 
 7     Jackie Stewart        177                    8 
 8     Niki Lauda            145                   10 
 9     Nelson Piquet         144                   11 
10     Nigel Mansell         138                    9 
11     Kimi Raikkonen        129                   11 
12     Jenson Button         114                   13 
13     Max Verstappen        114                    7 
14     Gerhard Berger        112                   11 
15     Mika Hakkinen         111                    9 
16     David Coulthard       106                   12 
17     Daniel Ricciardo       96                    9 
18     Alan Jones             87                    4 
19     Rubens Barrichello     81                   12 
20     Emerson Fittipaldi     80                    5 
21     Jacques Villeneuve     80                    6 
22     Ronnie Peterson        79                    6 
23     Jean Alesi             78                   10 
24     Damon Hill             77                    5 
25     Nico Rosberg           77                    9 
26     Jacky Ickx             72                    5 
27     Jody Scheckter         70                    7 
28     Jochen Rindt           69                    4 
29     Carlos Reutemann       69                    9 
30     Denny Hulme            64                    7 
31     Mark Webber            60                    9 
32     Keke Rosberg           59                    5 
33     Juan Pablo Montoya     59                    5 
34     James Hunt             58                    5 
35     Gilles Villeneuve      54                    4
36     Heinz-Harald Frentzen  51                    6 
37     Jim Clark              50                    2 
38     Clay Regazzoni         50                    7 
39     Chris Amon             49                    6 
40     Riccardo Patrese       49                    8 
41     Ralf Schumacher        49                    6 
42     Valtteri Bottas        49                    7 
43     Charles Leclerc        48                    4 
44     Felipe Massa           43                    5 
45     Mario Andretti         42                    4 
46     Jack Brabham           40                    4 
47     Jacques Laffite        40                    6 
48     Giancarlo Fisichella   40                    8 
49     Michele Alboreto       39                    7 
50     John Surtees           38                    4 
51     Rene Arnoux            36                    6 
52     Carlos Sainz           36                    5 
53     Eddie Irvine           35                    7 
54     Jarno Trulli           35                    8 
55     John Watson            34                    7 
56     Robert Kubica          34                    4 
57     Graham Hill            33                    5 
58     Thierry Boutsen        33                    5 
59     Carlos Pace            32                    4 
60     Patrick Depailler      31                    3 
61     Nico Hulkenberg        25                    6 
62     Sergio Perez           25                    8 
63     Nick Heidfeld          24                    3 
64     Dan Gurney             22                    3 
65     Alessandro Nannini     22                    3 
66     Didier Pironi          20                    2 
67     Lando Norris           19                    3 
68     Elio de Angelis        18                    5 
69     Romain Grosjean        18                    2 
70     Patrick Tambay         16                    2 
71     Pierre Gasly           15                    3 
72     Jean-Pierre Jabouille  14                    2 
73     Derek Warwick          14                    4 
74     Stefan Johansson       14                    3 
75     Martin Brundle         14                    2 
76     Johnny Herbert         13                    4 
77     Heikki Kovalainen      13                    3 
78     Pedro Rodriguez        12                    2 
79     Mike Hailwood          12                    2 
80     Peter Revson           12                    2 
81     Francois Cevert        10                    2 
82     Ivan Capelli           10                    1 
83     George Russell          9                    3 
84     Gunnar Nilsson          8                    1 
85     Esteban Ocon            8                    2 
86     Bruce McLaren           7                    3 
87     Eddie Cheever           6                    1 
88     Christian Fittipaldi    6                    1 
89     Ukyo Katayama           6                    1 
90     Pierluigi Martini       5                    2 
91     Alex Caffi              4                    1 
92     Mark Blundell           4                    3 
93     Olivier Panis           4                    1 
94     Paul di Resta           4                    1 
95     Daniil Kvyat            4                    2 
96     Jo Siffert              3                    2 
97     Andrea de Cesaris       3                    2 
98     Lorenzo Bandini         2                    1 
99     Tim Schenken            2                    1 
100    Tony Brise              2                    1 
101    Jochen Mass             2                    2 
102    Jonathan Palmer         2                    2 
103    Adrian Sutil            2                    1 
104    Pastor Maldonado        2                    1 
105    Piers Courage           1                    1 
106    Jean-Pierre Beltoise    1                    1 
107    Peter Gethin            1                    1 
108    Bruno Giacomelli        1                    1 
109    Aguri Suzuki            1                    1 
110    Alexander Wurz          1                    1 
111    Cristiano da Matta      1                    1 
112    Takuma Sato             1                    1 
113    Timo Glock              1                    1 
114    Kevin Magnussen         1                    1


#111 Glengavel

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Posted 10 August 2022 - 19:40

Dividing points by seasons yields some interesting and dare I say more accurate results (top 10 only)

 

37 Jim Clark 25.0

7 Jackie Stewart 22.1

18 Alan Jones 21.8

1 Lewis Hamilton  21.4

4 Alain Prost 19.9

2 Michael Schumacher 19.1

6 Ayrton Senna 18.1

28 Jochen Rindt 17.3

13 Max Verstappen 16.3

20 Emerson Fittipaldi 16.0


Edited by Glengavel, 10 August 2022 - 19:45.


#112 Bleu

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 16:15

I looked back to see who is the highest placed driver in WDC who has not been on the list. 

Five times driver in the top 3 has been left out. Autocourse has tradition to leave driver who's died or missing notable part of the season out which explains three of them: Rindt (1970 champion), Peterson (1978 runner-up) and Pironi (1982 runner-up). Other two are Räikkönen in 2018 and Bottas in 2021.

 

Only time as top ten in the championship has filled up the Autocourse top ten positions is 2010.

 

 

 



#113 ReWind

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 18:18

Dividing points by seasons yields some interesting and dare I say more accurate results (top 10 only)

 

37 Jim Clark 25.0

7 Jackie Stewart 22.1

18 Alan Jones 21.8

1 Lewis Hamilton  21.4

4 Alain Prost 19.9

2 Michael Schumacher 19.1

6 Ayrton Senna 18.1

28 Jochen Rindt 17.3

13 Max Verstappen 16.3

20 Emerson Fittipaldi 16.0

I question the accuracy because you leave out the years in which a driver did not manage to get into the top 10.

For instance take the case of Sebastian Vettel. Obviously up to 2021 he was not in the top 10 in 3 of his 15 seasons when he was eligible as an active GP driver.

So dividing 184 by 12 giving him 15.3 is flattering. The real quotient is 184 : 15 = 12.3.



#114 Glengavel

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 19:12

I question the accuracy because you leave out the years in which a driver did not manage to get into the top 10.

For instance take the case of Sebastian Vettel. Obviously up to 2021 he was not in the top 10 in 3 of his 15 seasons when he was eligible as an active GP driver.

So dividing 184 by 12 giving him 15.3 is flattering. The real quotient is 184 : 15 = 12.3.

 

That's true, I don't know if I have the enthusiasm to correct them all. Clark and (less so) Stewart are also skewed because the Top 10s only started during their reign. But I've no beef with that...



#115 subh

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 16:42

As far as I can see, this discussion includes all the selections up to 2011, and we also have the 2014 and 2021 lists.  It might be interesting to provide what isn't here yet.  Starting with:
 
2015 (editor was Tony Dodgins)
1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Sebastian Vettel
3 Daniel Ricciardo
4 Nico Rosberg
5 Romain Grosjean
6 Max Verstappen
7 Fernando Alonso
8 Valtteri Bottas
9 Daniil Kvyat
10 Sergio Perez
 
2016 (also Dodgins)
1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Daniel Ricciardo
3 Nico Rosberg
4 Max Verstappen
5 Fernando Alonso
6 Valtteri Bottas
7 Carlos Sainz
8 Sebastian Vettel
9 Sergio Perez
10 Nico Hulkenberg


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Posted 12 August 2022 - 16:52

Have also found these - 2020 is the only missing year...

 

2012
1. Alonso
2. Vettel
3. Hamilton
4. Räikkönen
5. Button
6. Hülkenberg
7. Webber
8. Perez
9. Maldonado
10. Ricciardo
 
 
2013:
1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Rosberg
5. Raikkonen
6. Grosjean
7. Hulkenberg
8. Webber
9. Button
10. Ricciardo
 
 
2017
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Ricciardo
4. Vettel
5. Alonso
6. Bottas
7. Ocon
8. Sainz
9. Hülkenberg
10. Perez
 
 
2018 (editor was Tony Dodgins)
1 Hamilton
2 Alonso
3 Verstappen
4 Vettel
5 Ricciardo
6 Bottas
7 Leclerc
8 Hulkenberg
9 Perez
10 Gasly
 
 
2019 Top Ten
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Leclerc
4. Vettel
5. Bottas
6. Sainz
7. Ricciardo
8. Perez
9. Norris
10. Russell


#117 AJCee

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 21:36

How long before we can have a top ten of Autocourse editors?

#118 Henri Greuter

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Posted 13 August 2022 - 11:01

 

Have also found these - 2020 is the only missing year...

 

2012
1. Alonso
2. Vettel
3. Hamilton
4. Räikkönen
5. Button
6. Hülkenberg
7. Webber
8. Perez
9. Maldonado
10. Ricciardo
 
 
2013:
1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Rosberg
5. Raikkonen
6. Grosjean
7. Hulkenberg
8. Webber
9. Button
10. Ricciardo
 
 
2017
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Ricciardo
4. Vettel
5. Alonso
6. Bottas
7. Ocon
8. Sainz
9. Hülkenberg
10. Perez
 
 
2018 (editor was Tony Dodgins)
1 Hamilton
2 Alonso
3 Verstappen
4 Vettel
5 Ricciardo
6 Bottas
7 Leclerc
8 Hulkenberg
9 Perez
10 Gasly
 
 
2019 Top Ten
1. Hamilton
2. Verstappen
3. Leclerc
4. Vettel
5. Bottas
6. Sainz
7. Ricciardo
8. Perez
9. Norris
10. Russell

 

Ah, 2018 listing make sense by now at long last.